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kentonator
Vatican City State95 Posts
I get two Rax, 1 tech lab before my factory(with lab) and starport, once my first starport is out I throw down my third rax and add a reactor to one of them. at some point I throw in my ghost lab and second starport. I focus on heavy bio, with medivacs, tanks for support/securing positions. Its very strong in my opinion and allows you to create tons of pressure consistently through out the game. | ||
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Deathtrooper
Canada38 Posts
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MforWW
United States157 Posts
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On September 01 2010 21:51 Red Alert wrote: the first attack IS the harass, dude. It's not all in at all. How is 3 rax, 1 fact and 2 port constantly producing NOT an allin? Think of the follow through. And the frontal push most probably will never come close to effect of dropping 3 hellions one shotting heaps of probes. | ||
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
This build, at least the way you execute it, is scary as shit. On the plus side, it gives me more of an excuse to do phoenix play - and who doesn't love phoenix play? | ||
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junemermaid
United States981 Posts
That said, this push is pretty strong, I've only seen replays of it and haven't experienced it | ||
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Plakk
Canada32 Posts
Im not sure if you can fast expo vs this build. Can anyone comment on how to counter this build. Phoenix play? 2 gate into blink stalker? | ||
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ganil
253 Posts
You can buy time with colossus too. Marines will melt against them. The T must choose between producing banshees and vikings and no terran will like this. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4222 Posts
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xCyan1de
United States64 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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TheNomad
United States134 Posts
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roymarthyup
1442 Posts
any good toss will have enough units to beat your poke, but your poke will do damage to the toss and will let you scout slightly his build by sending in your hellion in fact, by using that hellion to drive around his base for a while you can save a scan and the poke partly almost pays for itself cuz you get that 250 minerals from the mule instead of scanning now every toss should beat back your poke if he is playing standard. i believe even 1gate stargate can beat back the poke with a void ray coming out shortly. but because you have mules and the toss doesnt that means you will outproduce the 1base toss so even if you lose all your poke units and the toss only loses 2 zealots it doesnt matter. mm / banshee beats toss before high templar or collossi (heck it even beats high templar or collossi) so you will be fine against the toss as a 800 diamond toss i go 1gate stargate void rays every game against terran. my strategy would beat back the terran and i would be on even grounds against this build. void rays are strong against all units even marines and vikings. 1 charged void ray (250 minerals) will kill 4 stimmed combat shield marines (200 minerals) and the zealots your pumping are more mineral effective than the marines so you can come out on top in the end. speed void rays also are fast and give map control letting you outproduce the terran i still pump void rays even when my enemy is making vikings and marines. i can still win the battles usually cloak is a real nightmare but i deal with it usually | ||
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Chronopolis
Canada1484 Posts
On September 01 2010 17:08 frogmelter wrote: How does this build do against the kcdc fast expand build? I've played against this kind of strat...raven/marine using kcdc's expo build, and while this build will give a mid-game push that will certainly give you a run for your money, it is by no means unstoppable as a 2 base protoss. (for the record, I lost but there was plenty of room for improvement) Getting pheonixes will certainly make your life easier, but a different solution is just to plant your self somewhere between you and ur opponent base. Just engage once, you should have the larger army, bar PDD, and once your zealots die, retreat (he has no concussive shells, stalkers run faster than banshees, if they over extend themselves pursueing, just snipe them. Then with your ~6 warpgate chronoboosted, add zealotsfor a second engagement which you should win. | ||
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Cibron
Sweden253 Posts
Thank you Superbabosheki!! The initial poke+micro is enough to criple most guys! And they dont even know it's just the start lolololol... This might be the new 1/1/1. | ||
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VonLego
United States519 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On September 02 2010 01:15 ganil wrote: Fast templars (if you manage to do this) hard counter banshee/marines build. You can buy time with colossus too. Marines will melt against them. The T must choose between producing banshees and vikings and no terran will like this. Banshees actually deal a lot of damage to colossi, so if you can micro them to avoid being sniped you can kill the colossus pretty fast and then you're golden. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
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Finrod
Germany6 Posts
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sircuddles
Canada91 Posts
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