EPT[G] 5 Roach Rush: early game without the all-in - Page 3
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LuDwig-
Italy1143 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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tipakee
United States127 Posts
Thanks OP for this build Also here's a Vid of tasteless beating Day[9] using something very similar to this build Roach Rush | ||
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Hasudk
Denmark78 Posts
Seriously, give the guy a break. He even wrote himself that this build has pros AND cons. Of course you can theorycraft some scenario were it would be utterly defeated, but there are very very few builds (if any) that you couldn't do that with. Sometimes it is the fact the build is NOT standard and therefor NOT expected that makes it good. Does it really matter if some elite pro would loose or win with this build. Do you honestly think that Idra, DuckloadRa or "whatever-pro" comes here to find the strategy or build-order that is going to win them the next tournament? I get the whole idea of TL.net being the forum of the elite, but pretending to be elite by bashing other people really isn't elite, it's just annoying. | ||
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Grimmy
South Africa29 Posts
I'll give it a couple of test runs and see how it works for me ^^ | ||
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afiddy
Canada108 Posts
On August 20 2010 17:10 Hasudk wrote: LoL it's the same thing every time someone posts a strategy in here: several pages of people shouting: "It will never work, blah blah blah, I'm not even gonna watch the replay because blah blah blah" "Now I have watched the replay and you only won because of blah blah blah random event blah" Seriously, give the guy a break. He even wrote himself that this build has pros AND cons. Of course you can theorycraft some scenario were it would be utterly defeated, but there are very very few builds (if any) that you couldn't do that with. Sometimes it is the fact the build is NOT standard and therefor NOT expected that makes it good. Does it really matter if some elite pro would loose or win with this build. Do you honestly think that Idra, DuckloadRa or "whatever-pro" comes here to find the strategy or build-order that is going to win them the next tournament? I get the whole idea of TL.net being the forum of the elite, but pretending to be elite by bashing other people really isn't elite, it's just annoying. I completely agree. Most people I see don't even post any sort of constructive criticism (I think some are led to believe they are posting constructive criticism, but all it really comes down to is, "lol I can beat this strategy ezpz. ~explanation here~") I can understand most of the logic in this thread, but seriously, if you are going to say ANYTHING negative about the strategy, then at least ask for games from him if you think he is completely wrong - then perhaps post results afterward to this thread. | ||
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Magnebula
United States8 Posts
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
Love the muta build, but it doesn't always work against mech plays. After testing this with my practice partner, I think I can safely say this build works where my muta build does not. The best part is, they both look very similar in the early game, so even against someone who knows my playstyle, my opponent will have to make a gamble at some point. Definitely check this out, guys. (700 Diamond Zerg, btw) | ||
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AT_Tack
Germany435 Posts
I will definetly try this one! | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
This build has merit vs terran since tech with walls are so common, but good protosses who 2 gate will not get hurt by something like this. It could be used against 1 gates fine. The only guy that did a good 1 gate was whiplash, and the Fast Expander was a joke of a player. I guess the key is that you don't need to do this build if you're facing a 2 gate build though. | ||
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Fen
Australia1848 Posts
That BM Terran who tried to triple proxy rax you made my day. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
You can also make a roach warren about 65% of Queen production and still be able to finish at the same time(lately i did it that it ended at the same second). I prefer this build as Z because it prevents : hellions,reapers,2/3 proxy gate, ling/bane in ZvZ which are the most common builds on the ladder right now. I also tend to put down Lair just after my expansion so i can have hydras against banshee, void ray (if i scout it i also make +1/2 queens) and overseer to scout. I am ~1100 random diamond player. You can also make 7 roaches instead of 5 but then it's more a kind of all-in. On the other hand you can make 3-4 roaches and pressure your opponent and then just fall back as your exp finishes, put some spine crawlers and be happy because your enemy is behind ;p Also i do not recommend this build to people who cannot forsee their enemy moves by some signs(what you see in their base, behavior, size of their army) because if you stand against some early stalker pressure followed by 4 warpgate push you're pretty much dead. You may also die to rush of 2 void rays though after you smooth this build in your gameplay you should be safe against all the strategies they can put against you. It's also necessary to connect your 2 bases with creep! | ||
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Quaterno
United Kingdom69 Posts
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barrykp
Ireland174 Posts
I'm surprised at all the nay-sayers who say it can be countered: isn't that true of every strategy? The OP details the situations where it doesn't work, and at least two of the replays deal with those situations, and if the first rush fails it definitely isn't the end of the world. | ||
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aznhockeyboy16
United States558 Posts
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
While it might be asking too much, could you release like a replay pack vs terran? or well i might be trying this build myself next week so its really no need to. i just think you wrote so little about how this build does against the wide variety of what terran can do. | ||
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RoL
United States22 Posts
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