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On August 01 2010 22:39 MythicalMage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 22:35 Jimmy Raynor wrote:On August 01 2010 22:06 MythicalMage wrote:On August 01 2010 21:57 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I have a question as a player that almost never played zerg. What is generally a good time to upgrade to lair, and later to hive? Generally, at the pro level, lair is upgraded right after zergling speed, with the second hundred gas if they're not doing early aggression or roaches or whatnot. Hive is super ambiguous with players normally getting it when they feel they need +3, ultras, or broodlords. Thx for the advice, but most players pull away from gas the drones after the speed upgrade, right? If so, what would be a good time to put them back in so I get enough for lair upgrade? Probably when your expansion is relatively well saturated or so. I'm not familiar with exact zerg timings. (I've only played a little bit of zerg.)
What kind of build did you do? 14 extract 13 pool 22-ish hatch? 13 pool 15 hatch?
If it was 13pool 15hatch, I wouldn't take the drones off gas. It's late already as it is. No point in delaying it any more or mutas/banshees/voids/phoenixes are gonna rape you.
If you went earlier gas, put them on after you put down your natural hatchery.
On August 01 2010 20:31 massivez wrote:
Nice guide, helped me alot. also have prolly a stupid question : how do you put multiple hatcheries on 1 hotkey?
Select hatch + press Ctrl down + click on other hatches you want hotkeyed and press the number you want it hotkeyed to.
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Very good guide, learned a lot from it.
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Now I want to play Zerg very badly *runs off to learn the zerg*
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Latham,
This is an outstanding guide. I literally registered just to commend you on your great write-up. I don't even play zerg, and yet I am deeply thankful for the work that you put in.
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Protoss only beta player here. I decided to switch to Zerg, then I found this guide. Thought, what a boss mode, mofo. Thanks for the work man. It already helped me out alot. You goddamn magnificent beast.
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Great post! This is exactly the kind of info I was looking for. Thanks!
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Very good guide, nice job!
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This is what I was looking for! thanks a lot.
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Super helpful post, thanks alot, used as much of what I learned as I could, but still very new to this game, only played about 10 games or so (and beat campaign on normal). Used to play SC1, never got very good at it. I was hoping anyone who is at least semi-decent with zerg could help critique my replay of me beating some guy.The biggest thing I notice is my lack of scouting frequently resulted in this game taking about 10 minutes longer than it should have, I was overly careful, but anyways, critique away! Point out every little flaw you can think of, or if that takes to long just the big obvious ones 
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Nice guide! Was a great read. A+++
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Amazing guide! Good job and thank you very much! I learned a lot about Z with it, and knowing ur enemy is a really important thing! And of course there were some general advices, that i can use in my gameplay!
Is someone writing one for Protoss (aka Toss or P)? I will love a guide of this quality for them
Thank you again! Great job!
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On August 05 2010 11:18 kmillz wrote:Super helpful post, thanks alot, used as much of what I learned as I could, but still very new to this game, only played about 10 games or so (and beat campaign on normal). Used to play SC1, never got very good at it. I was hoping anyone who is at least semi-decent with zerg could help critique my replay of me beating some guy.The biggest thing I notice is my lack of scouting frequently resulted in this game taking about 10 minutes longer than it should have, I was overly careful, but anyways, critique away! Point out every little flaw you can think of, or if that takes to long just the big obvious ones
1.You sent your initial overlord in the wrong direction. The map is Steppes of War and is a 2 player map. send the overlord to his base in a straight line. If he's protoss don't hesitate send it straight in. If he's terran. send it either behind the minerals @ nat, or to the sides of his base over the empty space.
2. set up rally points. Select the hatch and right click on the minerals, and the ground (preferably by your choke/ramp) This will auto-rally your workers to minerals and all your other units to your choke.
3. scout your opponent with a drone early game. The best is using that 10th drone after the overlord. Send it directly to his base, don't worry if it will die, but try to not let it die so easily.
4. Three workers on gas, from the start. Take 3 off minerals and put them on gas.
5. The very early spine was useless. It's sometimes good to have it, but at that time you were blind and didn't know if you really needed it. Better to have 1 more drone working than a useless spine.
6. Hotkey everything son. From the very first overlord and hatchery to the very end of the game.
7. Use your minerals. Expand to another base (preferably closest to you = your natural). Don't get supply blocked. If you see a stargate and you're still at tier 1, get more queens and tech ASAP. That's what a 2nd hatch is for too, more queens while you tech.
8. INJECT INJECT INJECT. All game long, not only the first 2 times. With left over energy, put up creep tumors.
9. Don't just sit around with your army. Destroy the destructible rocks and open up the way to your 3rd.
10. Send your overlords to the other expands. Spread creep on them so he won't be able to take em.
11. Keep tabs on your enemy to know what he is doing. Make 1-2 or 3 overseers just in case. 1 near his base, the other(s) in your base(s).
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Pretty noobish, I was expecting a real guide.
This is more like A guide to playing RTS.
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Thanks alot for the feedback latham! I realized that I was still T1 when I noticed he had a Starport so I kinda freaked out making those 2 AA spine crawlers. I didn't realize how far back I set up his economy (or how slow he was) so I over-estimated what he was able to send at me. What is a good general X/X for upgrading to T2/T3? I know it varies game to game, but just something to start with.
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Is there some epic guide like this for Protoss and Terran as well? would be cool!
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Awesomeness. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanx!
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great post!! thanks a lot for putting this together!
I am curious if there will be an update coming soon? that would be great!
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a good read you seem to know ur stuff 
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A great guide regarding how new the game is.
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