[Q] Terran counter to immortals?

On June 16 2010 20:13 Rea wrote:
stimmed marauder, marines, ghost, banshee, bc, helions all kill immortals costeffective

On June 16 2010 20:34 Zarahtra wrote:
Well I mean there's no ultimate solution, all have some weaknesses. Even EMP, if you do it before the immos get in range, the P can just back his units off and wait until the shields have regened

On June 16 2010 20:26 shawabawa wrote:
You tried to counter immortals with thors?!? Immortals hard counter thors into the ground. Immortals also counter marauders.

Marines own immortals, and EMP.

edit: I'm also wondering how you're playing people who get sentry/stalker/immortal/high templar. They must have like 10k minerals left over.

On June 16 2010 20:59 baytripper wrote:


maybe if you're meching, but with stim and concussive shell, there's no way a slow-ass immortal is getting away with his life

On June 16 2010 23:01 Zarahtra wrote:

Zealots and/or FF(if you didn't catch all the sentries in EMP) make that seemingly easy. Sure a loss, but getting those shields back up on your units, esp. the immos is by far more important.

On June 17 2010 00:48 Krowser wrote:
Just to repeat what everyone said.

EMP. It removes 100 shield, Immortals have 100 shield. So it turns off their Hardened shields in 1 hit. After that, it's just a big stalker that can't shoot in the air.

On June 16 2010 23:43 baytripper wrote:


eh, if there are already ghosts and large marine numbers out, your immortal was a big fat waste of money and keeping him alive another 60 seconds isn't going to help you much

if anything keeping the zealots alive would be my priority, two zealots can kill more marines than an immortal. yeah, they benefit slightly less from having shields, but they're still the better unit in that situation.

that's true that force field does let you retreat in a few situations where you'd normally be dead, but it's not something you can rely on, especially in the stage of the game where you would actually have immortals v terran.

On June 16 2010 20:34 Zarahtra wrote:
Well I mean there's no ultimate solution, all have some weaknesses. Even EMP, if you do it before the immos get in range, the P can just back his units off and wait until the shields have regened.

Marines are quite good vs immos, marauders hold their own but zealot+immo will help the immo out loads to make the AI kill the zealots first while with +1 dmg upgrade and stim, immos 2 shot marauders.

TL:DR if the P is immo heavy, be marine heavy or make sure to have enough EMP to go around.

On June 17 2010 02:46 Zarahtra wrote:
That is assuming heavy marine number. Rarely do I see a T go with like 4 to 1 marine vs marauder, since there are 3 builds that will rape it, chargelots+ff/GS, HTs and collossi. Assuming 4 to 1 split immo can ofcourse be quite effective too, since a good terran will try to put his marauders in the front, where the immo can deal nasty dmg given the time.

On June 17 2010 06:40 Wr3k wrote:
EMP with MM.

Even pure marauder is cost effective vs immortals. (Marauders have higher dps per cost). When you add marines and EMP immortals are a joke.

On June 17 2010 10:50 Leeoku wrote:
u need emp since the immortal ability only works if they have shields

On June 17 2010 10:48 Cloak wrote:
Marauders in decent number beat Immortals. Marines definitely beat Immortals. EMP definitely beats Immortals. Tanks in decent numbers beat Immortals. What do Immortals counter again? Oh yea, Supply Depots.

On June 17 2010 14:47 SilverforceX wrote:


I always thought immortals are pretty lackluster, but couldn't quite put my finger on why. The stats look good; high hp, high dmg, ok range, ok speed. But they just don't perform well vs most armies.

The more i think about it, i think its due to their range 5. They tend to be at the frontlines, and their hardened shields isn't effective since most ground armies from terran consists on marines/marauders, zerg has lings/hydras, protoss has zealot/stalkers.. its only marginally effective vs marauders (but they have stim and offset it quite well). So in most encounters, the immortal dies extremely fast (it's basically ~2 zealots worth of hp) and become a waste of resources. It usually gets off 1 or 2 shots as it moves into range, then dies.

But recently ive had more success with using chargelots + immortals. The clots are faster and end up being the tank as they get into melee range, immortals survive and dish out crazy dmg, ending fights with a lot of kills. Kinda weird that they perform a lot better when in a support role, which isn't putting their hardened shields to use.

On June 17 2010 15:25 clickrush wrote:


I agree with your post. I have the exact same feeling and experience with immortals. their strength lies in dealing damage and not tanking. as soon as your opponent has some other units than highdamage-armored then hardened shields become useless. not to mention EMP.

but the marauder>immortal statement is completely false. It might be right early-midgame when foodcost isnt as important and if you can outproduce the protoss. but in term of costeffectiveness immortals are ahead. an MMM ball or ghost support is a different story. but the marauder itself cant do shit against immortals.

On June 16 2010 20:44 Duelist wrote:
Do EMP, and his immortals become a pile of money wanting to be taken down. Marines work good as well.