[H] PvT with Siege Tanks - Page 4

On June 03 2010 08:20 Salv wrote:




Dealing with early siege tanks isn't a problem. A Protoss utilizing blink stalkers and immortals can hold off a Terran who goes a siege tank style of play well in to mid-game. The problem is when they get a certain amount of siege tanks (~15), which is impossible to break with a Protoss ground army. Compounding this problem is that vikings beat Protoss air as well, so once a Terran has a high enough supply, you cannot touch their army. Every combination of units has proved futile, and given sensor towers, it's very, very hard to flank, and even when you do, you only do moderately well.

It's not difficult to gain an economic advantage versus a turtling Terran, but it doesn't matter how many bases you take, because when they do push out, you can't touch their force, that is the issue. In BW, between stasis, zealot drops, and mine drags, you could damage the Terran army, even when maxed. It was difficult, and a 200/200 vs 200/200 battle would go in the Terrans favour, but you could whittle them down with good attacks and use your superior economy to keep throwing units at them until they broke. Combine that with recalls and counter-attacking expansions, and that was late-game PvT in a nutshell.

Now, mothership mass recall on top of the Terran ground force (or simply close to the tank force) results in a respectable amount of damage, you can take out 2/3 or 3/4 of a Terran's tank army this way. Vikings will take down a mothership quickly however, and a ghost EMP would make your attack futile. However, if you bring in the mothership after distracting the Terran, or you make sure they have no other vision when you move in (away from their sensor towers and xel'naga towers; AKA, they are attacking you), then your chances of getting off a decent mass recall goes up substantially, I have to do more testing to be sure, and I plan on doing that later, but just realize what the actual problem is. It's not that tanks are too hard to kill in small numbers, it's that their exponential power growth along with viking air domination makes late-game ridiculous for the Protoss.

On June 04 2010 03:24 Skyro wrote:


Just mass 3/3 void rays if you have outmacro'ed him and the majority of his army is in siege tanks (15 tanks = 45 food which is like 1/3 his army). I think people vastly overrate vikings, they get obliterated by charged void rays and pheonixes stand on equal footing with them.

On June 04 2010 05:09 Legendary- wrote:
I've had definite success going Void Ray with Phoenix for lift and anti air, supplied by a good ground force of stalkers/sentry with a sprinkle of zealot. I'll even sprinkle some dark templar into the mix because with such a great AA focused army, I can kill the ravens super quickly. I don't see any real counter to this strat, as I've had 100% win percentage since patch 12, I know that sounds like a really outlandish claim, but i don't even remember losing even bio ball terrans recently... It's definitely a strat worth trying out!

I'm uploading some video about this strat in a few hours or so, I'll probably blog about it as soon as it pops.

On June 04 2010 05:13 xDaunt wrote:


Getting the void rays charged up before they engage the vikings isn't always easy though.

On June 04 2010 03:24 Skyro wrote:
Just mass 3/3 void rays if you have outmacro'ed him and the majority of his army is in siege tanks (15 tanks = 45 food which is like 1/3 his army). I think people vastly overrate vikings, they get obliterated by charged void rays and pheonixes stand on equal footing with them.

On June 04 2010 11:49 Asunder wrote:
So now that Siege tank got the nerf bat (hard)...

On June 02 2010 06:17 JOmega wrote:
Thanks for that idea! I will try that! But usually they are lined up, fairly separated on along a cliff, or they are spread throughout the base to defend critical spots...

On June 04 2010 09:49 Nah wrote:
the idea was to wait until my opponent ran out of minerals at his main (20 min mark). After Terran transered 30+ SCVs to his new main I attacked with splash dmg to kill them all and possibly expansion itself.

On June 04 2010 21:59 Cheerio wrote:
You must be kidding.

On June 04 2010 12:36 Salv wrote:


That isn't going to work. Even fully charged +1 void rays lose to vikings of equal resource numbers. If you're going to get 3/3 air, you might as well make carriers.



A 17% damage reduction isn't hard. Siege tanks will still be useful, it just will make dealing with them a little bit easier.

On June 05 2010 05:08 Skyro wrote:


Read the post I was responding to. To clarify, he was asking what to do vs bust through a turtling terran who you had outmacro'ed/contained and had a large army of tanks. Thus in that situation due to his large army of ground forces they would indeed not have an equal resource numbers of vikings.

On June 05 2010 10:38 darkkinz wrote:


what if the terran spends minerals on getting some missile turrets as well beside the tanks to completely wreck your void rays??

On June 02 2010 05:46 JOmega wrote:
First: I'm bad. I'm in gold league.

Now to my question, I find it hard to attack a Terran opponent that has a lot of siege tanks (5+) sieged everywhere, especially on maps that have the cliff/high-ground advantage.

When I see this I have tried to get void rays (is this proper?) because they are the only you that can hard counter them, but I find them not cost-effective against marines (which the Terran player will usually pump out as well). Stims and medivacs really hurt the expensive void rays, and I cannot get my ground force in effectively because of the siege tanks. Collosi do not out-range a sieged tank, right (with the extended thermal lance upgrade)?

Recently, as soon as I see more than 3 tanks I will research Zealot charge and I have found them MUCH more effective not only in terms of damage, but also in terms of resources. I will try to proxy them somewhere close to the enemy, or in a corner behind their base so that I can kill a few tanks before the enemy's main army comes.

Is this the right choice? Or am I supposed to get better with void rays?

Thank you!