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[Q] ZvT, stopping reaper harass while FE'ing? - Page 2

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CryGirl1921
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland78 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 13:44:28
May 05 2010 13:43 GMT
#21
reaper kite queen easly offcreep T_T

go pool>hatch and produce lings eot
BluBla
goszar
Profile Joined February 2010
Belarus119 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-06 12:43:31
May 06 2010 12:39 GMT
#22
On May 05 2010 22:38 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2010 22:09 goszar wrote:
On May 04 2010 15:19 Slow Motion wrote:
On May 04 2010 14:53 Vei wrote:
Any pro tips? I just lost a game to that today and raged horribly :[ It seems like you can't do ****, especially if they get a bunker up. However, I did go a little drone heavy at the start (by 1 or 2 really), and if I made lings I might've been able to stop it. No replays because I sort of just want general advice -- is this something that you higher rated players still lose to occasionally, or is just getting lings faster enough to deal with it?

Thanks for the help. I'm like 1320ish, I think.

Dude was it on Kulas Ravine and the Terran kept jumping his Reaper up and down the cliff? If so that was me lol. The guy I played typed "bg" at the end, and then said, "actually that was a terrible game" and then rage quit.

Edit: ahhh nvm I didn't build a bunker.


I also say "bg" after such games and explain what I mean if opp does not understand.
I don't mind you playing whatever start you choose, but just don't want to waste time practicing how do defend another cheese.


what? read what you said again and see if that makes any sense.

You won't be playing this game very long with that attitude..

Reaper harass is one of the backbone strategies for Terran.

So lemme guess you don't want to play against the following "cheese" builds?
-Reapers
-Banshees
-Hellions
-Thor Drops

But you would like to play against M&M to learn the counter, despite it being an inferior Terran build to begin with?

I guess Terran should just make marauders, and marines if the opponent makes any air units. Anything else is just silly nonsense that isn't worth practicing against.

Right now I'm low Plat player (~1150) and I have huge problems with macro, expanding and preventing expansions, army composition, multitasking. I haven't figured out good build yet as well.
I say "bg" to identify that particular game was not helpful for me, I did not practice any of those components but wasted time instead. It is a game that depended on a single mistake made/not made.
Reapers, Banshees, Hellions, Thor Drop are all valid starts. Outcome of the game is decided on micro, transitioning, army composition, finesse of the builds, strategic decisions of the players.
But 8 Rax Reaper into Bunker rush is not. Outcome of a game involving such strategy relies on single RockPaperScissors BO mistake, or single scouting mistake, or single micro mistake.
I repeat that I have nothing agains cheese starts. In fact I did marine-scv allin 20 times (going 18-2) to prove that it was OP in the past. I'm not willing to try Reaper Bunker only because it does not work vs terran and I would need to leave in 30% of my games.
Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
May 06 2010 12:43 GMT
#23

I say "bg" to identify that particular game was not helpful for me


I'm sure your "enemy" will realize this for your next game and do something to help you.
goszar
Profile Joined February 2010
Belarus119 Posts
May 06 2010 12:45 GMT
#24
On May 06 2010 21:43 Snowfield wrote:
Show nested quote +

I say "bg" to identify that particular game was not helpful for me


I'm sure your "enemy" will realize this for your next game and do something to help you.

You will be surprised, but it is true. I often get paired against same opponents and they don't cheese in next games and we have conversations about strategy sometimes.
cartoon]x
Profile Joined March 2010
United States606 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-06 13:20:45
May 06 2010 13:16 GMT
#25
maybe do a slow expand on kulas ravine. Go 14 pool and if you scout reapers do a roach to expand. Otherwise do a ling expand.
Reapers are especially strong on kulas. You could also try doing some kind of roach aggression. Roach aggression would be strong against a reaper opening. Cancel hatch, do a roach build, break down his rocks.. add in a few ling, so you have a mix. That may be a good retaliation. Most Ts will try to expand while going reaper
It is not enough to conquer; one must learn to seduce.
Deathfate
Profile Joined November 2008
Spain555 Posts
May 06 2010 13:21 GMT
#26
The best way to stop reapers is the queen in creep and lings on the cliff.
If you want to go hatch first you should delay his barrax time, this is posible in 2 player maps sending out 2 drones.
Always use a drone to scout possible bunker at your expo, if he completes the bunker your expo is going to fall 90% of the times.
Once you have 2 queens and some lings he cant do anything with them.
Feel the power of the zerg swarm.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
May 06 2010 13:25 GMT
#27
don't send your first queen to defend your expo, even if you think you're going to lose the hatch
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
May 06 2010 13:28 GMT
#28
On May 04 2010 15:19 Slow Motion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2010 14:53 Vei wrote:
Any pro tips? I just lost a game to that today and raged horribly :[ It seems like you can't do ****, especially if they get a bunker up. However, I did go a little drone heavy at the start (by 1 or 2 really), and if I made lings I might've been able to stop it. No replays because I sort of just want general advice -- is this something that you higher rated players still lose to occasionally, or is just getting lings faster enough to deal with it?

Thanks for the help. I'm like 1320ish, I think.

Dude was it on Kulas Ravine and the Terran kept jumping his Reaper up and down the cliff? If so that was me lol. The guy I played typed "bg" at the end, and then said, "actually that was a terrible game" and then rage quit.

Edit: ahhh nvm I didn't build a bunker.



Slow motion i know this is a bad day for you but...


no..

you are not the only terran that use to rush with reaper:|

Bad news i know
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