Here is a 12-13 rax replay of a proxy gate/cannon getting beat.
I watched it happen to my roommate last night.

My friend has a lot of experience trying to counter builds like this because he told me he couldn't beat proxies and so I did them to him for a bunch of games and also did them against terrans on Bnet so we could figure out the most effective counter.

My friend is a top 8 platinum player. D+ ICCup, etc. 140apm

http://www.sc2rc.com/index.php/replay/show/2436

NightOne

Canada215 Posts

April 26 2010 22:03 GMT

#82

if your rax finishes before or around the same time as his gateway finishes.. throw down 2 or 3 bunkers while ur marine is buildling.. he can't stop all 3... .. recycle the ones u don't use... if he builds cannon.. 3 scvs take down a cannon just as it finishes warping in... don't overestimate how much money he is spending on doing this.. he only has as much money as you do so while u lose mining time by pulling scvs off your minerals, he loses minerals by losing buildings... also.. i would sick an scv on the probe permanantly.. keep him running it around.. who knows, if your opponent is incompetent he won't have enough apm and could lose the probe or "sarcrifice" apm for probe micro...

this isn't an impossible to beat strategy at all and its pretty much an all-in for the protoss... its hard but not impossible.. kind of like orb's kryptonite... 8-rax reaper rush.. etc.. not impossible at all.

4Servy

Netherlands1542 Posts

April 27 2010 05:55 GMT

#83

8rax reaper rush is ezpz to stop compared to a proxy rush like this or anysort of 2 gate inbase proxy bulslhit :S.

DeCoup

Australia1933 Posts

April 27 2010 06:54 GMT

#84

On April 27 2010 06:42 givemefive wrote:
Here is a 12-13 rax replay of a proxy gate/cannon getting beat.
I watched it happen to my roommate last night.

My friend has a lot of experience trying to counter builds like this because he told me he couldn't beat proxies and so I did them to him for a bunch of games and also did them against terrans on Bnet so we could figure out the most effective counter.

My friend is a top 8 platinum player. D+ ICCup, etc. 140apm

http://www.sc2rc.com/index.php/replay/show/2436

Is 12 rax standard?
I was under the impression that 11 rax is standard.

I know you want to 12 rax and are looking for ways to defend this with a 12 rax, but you can't be so close minded. It's like complaining that you can't beat lurkers if you have late detection in SC1.

Kanan

United States56 Posts

April 27 2010 07:22 GMT

#85

Haven't read all the replies so apologize if this is redundant, not gonna go through 5 pages for something so simple.

Looks like you haven't done your homework! Check the range on the units and buildings involved, motivates you to get gas earlier for marauders, which you had plenty of time to do. Otherwise, you did great. You were fine after you killed his gateway as long as you got some gas to go with it.

And yes kill that first pylon with 4 SCVs or more. It sets him back quite a bit, and in this case, would have at least bought you a lot more room. Good luck.

gedassan

Lithuania83 Posts

April 27 2010 08:45 GMT

#86

I would love to try and defend against this while using the 12 rax build.
I usually do 12 barracks as this allows me not to cut scv's while getting all the early buildings and sending 1 scout after the first supply depot.

So far I can only theorycraft.

The question is, when does the first pylon come up. I imagine he is sending the probe at once, like for the 6rax reaper rush, which means pylon can be started at about ~50% of my first supply finished (depends on the map distance). At that point I have 9 scvs and the supply depot half done, an scv on the way.

Decisions, decisions. I could cancel the scv and rax right there, or I could wait and get the 10th scv and rax then. Sure the probe will be harassing, but that we can micro around. It becomes a 10 rax build, and I could then adapt from there? I hope some protoss in the copper division are reading and I will see this come up against me soon

gibb

Sweden288 Posts

April 27 2010 09:08 GMT

#87

On a map with a close natural could you just let him tower up while you bunker your nat and then lift off and not waste any mining time except what you loose from transferring the command center?