EPTTerran vs Protoss - Page 23
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
That, or they'll accept they suck..eventually. yup, morrow, demuslim and jinro will have to accept that they are n00b. Are you even listening to yourself guys? Those are players who talked about how Terran has advantage over protoss in times when tosses were roflstomping over terrans in usa etc. These players played hundreds of games vs. really strong players and you guys are asking them if they have tried something? Truth is that toss was since the begining stronger race overall. Only thing that kept terrans in better position were 3 broken builds (marine-scv rush, morrow and lucifron FE). Now that those builds are patched, it comes to clear matchup which shows that it just goes to protoss favor. This "new" 4 FE build (it's basically morrow build, but he needed 3rax back then before marine nerf) is viable only vs immortals, but toss can scout you wih 1 observer and make such painless switch in tech and just eat you. Terrans in Europe were always realistic and talked about how they feel that they have upper hand, and now they are saying it's opposite and now they are just whiners? toss has unit which hard counters every terran mech unit which is basically everything above T1 and that's big problem. New strategies will not help with the fact that 1 immortal needs 4 shots to kill tank, while sieged tanks need 10 shots just to remove immortals shield. | ||
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lolreaper
301 Posts
On April 16 2010 19:13 Skyze wrote: The shitty thing is, blizzard nerfs things based on what the public is bitching about, not what is really imbalanced. And since all the terran crybaby's are out in full force lately, they want to make their fans "happy".. Thats blizzards new mantra I guess, who cares about the game balance, just make fans happy.. Hence the retarded idea of divisions, meaning people instead dont care about points/wins, they just say "Hey im #1 in my division!" even when they wouldnt be top 15 in another division. thats how they nerfed scv rush and marauder, leave this topic troll | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On April 16 2010 19:13 Skyze wrote: The shitty thing is, blizzard nerfs things based on what the public is bitching about, not what is really imbalanced. And since all the terran crybaby's are out in full force lately, they want to make their fans "happy".. Thats blizzards new mantra I guess, who cares about the game balance, just make fans happy.. Hence the retarded idea of divisions, meaning people instead dont care about points/wins, they just say "Hey im #1 in my division!" even when they wouldnt be top 15 in another division. lol what? I hope you're trolling because I doubt Blizzard is that mindless... I would guess that rather than immediately patching something, they would internally test it (Cowgomoo, David Kim, KHB, etc) to see if it is legit first. This is also off-topic. Can people go back to posting about the OP. | ||
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mfukar
Greece41 Posts
On April 16 2010 19:19 bLah. wrote: yup, morrow, demuslim and jinro will have to accept that they are n00b. Are you even listening to yourself guys? Reading comprehension, please. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/30845 In all seriousness though, Can you TOP terrans who are smart/good players, Demuslim/Jinro, try this strategy out more? Maybe it is your answer you've been waiting for. Since theres a reset coming, im gonna just play terran til then, and altho im only around 1600 platinum on the US server, if I consistantly beat protosses, ill post the replays, even tho it will be quite bad since i've played like 3 terran games in my life. But the fact should remain, being a smart player should outweight any "imbalances" at the level I am at, and just about everyone whos complaining in this thread besides the top league/tourney players like Jinro/Demuslim, should feel the same. Everyone else, You aren't facing masters like White-Ra everygame in ladder, you should be winning games, and if you aren't, just please actually watch your own replays and like, learn from mistakes? Instead of saying "OMG this matchup is imbalanced because demuslim said so".. There are so few Protosses who can actually "abuse" immortals/pushing right now, so to blame every loss on the "imbalance" is counter-productive to your own progress as a player. Think of something new and unique to counter your situation, like BRAT_OK did. | ||
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lolreaper
301 Posts
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swu.swu
United States12 Posts
On April 16 2010 19:52 Skyze wrote: Terrans please watch this and tell me Protoss units rape every terran unit. http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/30845 Best terran outside of Korea didnt complain, he just went and found a strat that works. Take notes and stop your complaining. Actually at 7:21 he could have won. If he made an observer instead of the 3rd Immortal. And put it to see up the cliff but not in range of the Marines. In the time that Chobo was attacking the wall and his first Immortals shields went down he would have killed 2 Marauders with that group leaving him with 1 Full Immortal/1 w/o Shields/3 Stalkers and 1 Zealot vs 3 Marauders/2 Marines/Raven. And also he only gets the win because of the mis-match up of the 2nd push. If he made 1 Colossus when he saw the heavy Bio instead of going 6 Immortals on the 2nd push it would have been over. Also if the Protoss didn't engage on the ramp and lose 3 Immortals/2 Sentries/2 Stalkers/1 Zealot. He could have kept him contained as long as he wanted. Meaning no expo. He barely loses in the ending fight while being down those units. Not to mention maybe instead of walking in blind every push he tried he could have used an observer and sniped the depots. Instead blindly walking into a stimmed Bio army. So he could have a) won the first push b) keep him contained c) sniped the bunkers d) go colossus any time after 7:21. For either instant victory or contain. Most people stand corrected. Immortal timing push still would have dominated. Forcing Terran to go Bio heavy and stay in his base and not allowed to expo and force a tech switch. It was more of a mistake of not going to Colossus after seeing Bio that won. Not that he was amazing nor some amazing build. It was a Protoss error. Its more of a replay of what not to do as a Protoss than what to do as a Terran. | ||
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arnold(soTa)
Sweden352 Posts
BUUUUUUUUUUT just on the outside chance that they want a balanced game so they can enjoy three races instead or one or two maybe stfu with the "terran crybabies" comments etc..you just look PATHETIC. end of story case closed true story etc. Oh and I had some actual input also, Ive further tried the 4rax FE and Ive had some success with it actually, so I survive the first initial pressure and/or push from the protoss, now I have real problems against collosus/HT's because Ive gone low tech mass low health units, I dont have a problem with this if I can scout it before he gets his first collosus up, but if I get surprised by two+ collosus its over, doesnt matter if I panic up mass vikings and kill the collosus cuz they will just burn through my army before they get killed...I suspect I may be able to tech a little earlier and pre-empt a viking to scout the protoss better isntead of wasting multiple scans to search for robo bay.. problem is many good protosses now hide their tech outside of their base, they already have pylons on many places on the map to warp in units quickly, so they might aswell throw up some hidden tech. Maybe I scout badly, Will get back and post when Ive tried some more >.< gg gl hf edit: viking is much cheeper than scan and can move and fight...so im thinking its a good idea to use them more often, I dont see that nearly enough from good players, its something Ive been thinking about a lot lately, possibly try and crank one viking out super early. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On April 16 2010 20:25 arnold(soTa) wrote: what most ppl fail to see is that if all they( high level terrans ) want is easy wins they would switch race to any other race they feel is better (dont care which one u think is OP) and win. BUUUUUUUUUUT just on the outside chance that they want a balanced game so they can enjoy three races instead or one or two maybe stfu with the "terran crybabies" comments etc..you just look PATHETIC. end of story case closed true story etc. Oh and I had some actual input also, Ive further tried the 4rax FE and Ive had some success with it actually, so I survive the first initial pressure and/or push from the protoss, now I have real problems against collosus/HT's because Ive gone low tech mass low health units, I dont have a problem with this if I can scout it before he gets his first collosus up, but if I get surprised by two+ collosus its over, doesnt matter if I panic up mass vikings and kill the collosus cuz they will just burn through my army before they get killed...I suspect I may be able to tech a little earlier and pre-empt a viking to scout the protoss better isntead of wasting multiple scans to search for robo bay.. problem is many good protosses now hide their tech outside of their base, they already have pylons on many places on the map to warp in units quickly, so they might aswell throw up some hidden tech. Maybe I scout badly, Will get back and post when Ive tried some more >.< gg gl hf edit: viking is much cheeper than scan and can move and fight...so im thinking its a good idea to use them more often, I dont see that nearly enough from good players, its something Ive been thinking about a lot lately, possibly try and crank one viking out super early. Maybe, but keep in mind when the Marauder rushes was going on, every terran you meet would just laugh in your face if you said "wow how do you beat that".. I even fucking played KawaiiRice, he dominated me like bad, and I just asked politely "Any tips on stopping this"? And he gave me the "Get better newb" or some sarcastic bullshit comment like that. I remember it distinctly, because I was like "Wow, I didnt know you were such a douche Xeris" (since he was on Xeris's account at the time) and he said "Just so you dont confuse us, im Kawaii, so dont say Xeris is bad mannered".. My point being, other than KawaiiRice is a douche, is If all you terrans gave us zergs/protosses shit about being crybabys in the past 3-4 patches, you cant take it now? I'd say about every terran ive played on ladder in the previous patches on US server were complete dicks when I said marauders needed a change, other than a very very select few who AGREED with me. This is including many terrans that are in the US tourneys/leagues right now. So if they are dicks for 5 patches, why are they not able to take it now when you have 1 and a half week of "potential Protoss imbalance"? Im sure this is just a fact that we're on the US server though, the land of the idiots. European terrans are much more mannered, and actually rebuttle an argument with a logical and thought-out answer. If more terrans acted like that, It would make this forum a much happier place, rather than people personally attacking anyone who doesnt agree with them. Treat others how you want to be treated, and from the personal attacks from 80% of the terrans in this thread to ANY protoss who provides a counter-argument to your opinion (like InControl getting personally bashed when voicing his opinion, someone even mentioned "did you take too much steroids to the head"?? what a fucking douche.), quite clearly I believe those people are crybabys. People like Flophead, "lolreaper", etc. There are civil terrans who are bringing up good points that are legit, such as Jinro, and I respect those terran's opinions, but if you are going to just counter any argument with "OMG take away your beta key" or something personally insulting, then why should respect be given back? In my opinion, those people who act that way probably aren't even at a level where the imbalance is being felt, and they ARE terran crybaby's. So fuck them. Unfortunately, threads are filled with those types of people, rather than mannered people wanting to have a real discussion about balance. People who are civil and bringing up legitimate concerns like Jinro, maybe he has a point, and I am all for trying to help out, such as providing that BRAT_OK replay in hopes they can try it out and see if its a possible solution. | ||
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swu.swu
United States12 Posts
^ On April 16 2010 19:13 Skyze wrote: The shitty thing is, blizzard nerfs things based on what the public is bitching about, not what is really imbalanced. And since all the terran crybaby's are out in full force lately, they want to make their fans "happy".. Thats blizzards new mantra I guess, who cares about the game balance, just make fans happy.. Hence the retarded idea of divisions, meaning people instead dont care about points/wins, they just say "Hey im #1 in my division!" even when they wouldnt be top 15 in another division. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
dude you just won the award for the biggest douche currently on tl.net. ontopic: ya vikings are amzing for scouting. fast,cheaper then a scan(or equal) and you can actually kill some stray pylons when you find em. always go for it. but i dunno about the 4rax thing. what to follow up? if the p just techs to storm/collosi half of your army will instantly evaporate. you cant really pressure and even double expoing shouldnt be too hard for the p. the banshee/rauder thing looked nice but if the p is prepared i dont see how you can pressure at anytime and we are back at the old problem. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
I don't know what to do TvT either, and I'm pretty sure that matchup isn't imbalanced  Anyway, ClouD has some good TvP ideas that I've been borrowing for a bit. I'll let him post about it if he wants to tho. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
If you are gonna bitch about protoss's being imbalanced, then stop being a fag and insulting others because you suck too bad to learn how to counter a simple strat, and actually LEARN TO COUNTER THE STRAT. Its not like you are playing in leagues, your playing newbs on the ladder, if you are still losing to protoss then you are just plain horrible. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On April 16 2010 21:06 FrozenArbiter wrote: To be clear, I don't think I've said that "TvP is imbalanced", only that I don't really know what to do in the matchup. Maybe it's imbalanced, maybe it isn't - all I know is that I don't know. I don't know what to do TvT either, and I'm pretty sure that matchup isn't imbalanced Anyway, ClouD has some good TvP ideas that I've been borrowing for a bit. I'll let him post about it if he wants to tho. That is fine, I never had any issues with anything you said. Im sure no protoss's did, its just other terrans who are literally crying every post "WAH WAH IMMORTALS KILL EVERY UNIT TERRAN HAS" and the whole "terran units get raped by every single protoss unit" bullshit, thats whats so annoying. And when you try to give them solutions, they bash you and dont take your advice. People are just so blinded by the illusion of "imbalance" because a high profile player like Demuslim started this thread, that they ignore everything anyone who is not supporting their cause says. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On April 16 2010 21:10 FrozenArbiter wrote: Could you all please relax just a tad? We are discussing a game in beta - you'd think this was a religious/political thread or something. Yea im done posting in this thread/any thread involving terrans. They just keep finding something to complain about. I tried showing them a replay which shows multiple ways to deal with Protoss, esp on a lower level of play, but theres no satisfying them. The discussion is pointless really at this point, they wont accept anything other than "Your right, Protoss is too strong and needs to be removed from the game." Terrans like Brat_OK and Cloud arent here bitching, they are working their butts off trying to find a counter. That is what all terrans should be doing. Wouldnt SC be wonderful if all zergs quit playing after Boxer/iloveoov, instead of having Savior come and show how to really play zerg? | ||
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lolreaper
301 Posts
On April 16 2010 21:13 Skyze wrote: Yea im done posting in this thread/any thread involving terrans. They just keep finding something to complain about. I tried showing them a replay which shows multiple ways to deal with Protoss, esp on a lower level of play, but theres no satisfying them. The discussion is pointless really at this point, they wont accept anything other than "Your right, Protoss is too strong and needs to be removed from the game." you are such a hypocrite, i saw you bitching about marauder being overpowered or emp countering toss army but yet only terran players are whiny lol On April 16 2010 21:13 Skyze wrote: Terrans like Brat_OK and Cloud arent here bitching cloud actually posted here and said hes lost in tvp(like most top terrans), so the fuck are you talking about. We try to have a normal discussion but people like you make from this thread shit, gtfo troll somehwere else please. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
I understand people get excited when they see something "new." But just because you have not seen it before, or just because a good player tried it and raped a kid a game does not mean it is viable at all at top level of play. | ||
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