Let me tell you why your map sucks - Page 3

On May 05 2016 19:07 Insidioussc2 wrote:


Thanks, I am gonna scramble the map and maybe reuse parts of it. On a side note: we already have a ladder map with a gold base natural

On May 05 2016 16:55 Fatam wrote:


Thanks for the thoughts! That's a bitter pill to swallow @ the 2nd one, especially since the highground 4th and the horizontal ramp inbetween it and the nat is a major part of the map, maybe even the most inluential. The idea with that highground and it's strong defending power and with the corner bases and the difficulty in bouncing between them and your other bases (among other things) was to encourage airplay (but it may be compromising other things too much).

Now to figure out if I try a new version of this map or just submit another map in its stead.

Other possibilities are:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/486122-2-arcane-asteroid (with the speed reduction on ramps removed, obviously)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/502168-2-revanscar-relay
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/503864-2-the-jungle-sleeps
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/498862-2-the-shoals
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/499410-2-disperse
or even add a base to one of these old ones:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/421766-2-the-moor
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/416510-2-flame-crest

if that's too much to skim through then I can't blame you at all Cheers

On May 06 2016 04:05 -NegativeZero- wrote:
maps n stuff

On May 06 2016 04:26 NewSunshine wrote:
I'm confident in my other 2 submissions, but if you're still shelling out feedback, feel free to tell me what you think about this one:

On May 05 2016 13:59 Uvantak wrote:
Hmm I was wondering if you would be able to keep up with the incoming flood of maps, but nice to see that somehow you still managed to, also regarding Bastion, I agree with you at least partially regarding that the idea behind the map became lost between all the changed I did to it to avoid it becoming too Z favored based on the initial Naturals which were more open, also the general idea of the map, goes more along Dallaire, where the center of the map is secondary to the sidepaths.

Also, here's a small sketch I did a while ago, seen that there's still some time, what do you think of it?

On May 06 2016 05:03 Vilham wrote:
So I worked on this map ages ago and have recently updated it. It has a low protected 2nd and rocks blocking the mid route to slow early game rushes.

On May 06 2016 06:24 Xenotolerance wrote:
Can I count on your vote in 2016?

cassiopeia of old has been complete for ages, new one still needs some love

On May 05 2016 16:07 RoomOfMush wrote:
Thanks for the feedback!

I completely agree with the Xel-Naga tower. I added one to the center, it overlooks both gold bases almost completely. I also moved the gold minerals as close to the cliff as possible. Stalkers can now attack most patches from the low ground.

Do you think this is an improvement (with the far corners) or has it become worse?

My goal was to make the side paths less approachable to make the center path more important.

On May 06 2016 15:03 anon244 wrote:
I'm not particularly good at making maps look aesthetically pleasing, so I'm sure these maps suck in more ways than I care to count. Nonetheless, I don't make maps that often so I'm game to find out just how badly these maps suck. After all, getting better is hard without knowing what exactly can and should be improved.

GoldRushVoid (Macro Map; Forced Cross Spawn) 184x176



StrategicMining (New/Interesting High Yield Usage) 176x130

On May 06 2016 10:01 BoxedCube wrote:

Would love some feedback on this map. Thanks. New mapmaker here.

On May 06 2016 22:02 Plexa wrote:

Strikes me as being awkward to play =/ hard to envision how this map is supposed to play out in a fun way. Like I get that you want the gold bases in the center to be taken but I'm not sure what the rest of the map does to support that theme. I feel like it will be a really snowbally map in that one player getting an edge probably wins them the game because it's so hard to attack and move around the map.

On May 05 2016 09:57 Plexa wrote:

Annihilation Station with tweaks? I'm a fan. I don't think you're going to get a standard map executed much better than this (and also traditionally you've been strongest in created standard maps). I would imagine this map would be excluded from the finals only if (a) there are better standard maps (haven't seen any yet) (b) there are imbalances found (unlikely in this time period) (c) Blizzard don't to go in this direction. (c) is the most likely but that's to the detriment of the map pool.

It's not bad, but the previous map just feels better executed. It's hard for me to suggest improvements since it's already fairly polished and the criticisms would be to do with how effective the design decisions you've made. Anyway, since they're pretty similar in gameplay I wouldn't submit this one if you had to choose.

This is interesting, but it's not a finalist yet. I think you need to go over the map and really develop the ideas in this map: (i) the reasonably safe expansions (esp. nat third) but vulnerable to rocks being broken (ii) rocks dictating attack paths on an otherwise flat map. I'd suggest going a little crazy with these two ideas (so make bases extremely safe, but with rocks providing that safety and rocks better placed to dictate attack paths). With that more extreme map you can compare and contrast with this map and hopefully find a happy middle ground where the concept really shines and screams out for attention.


Comments similar to the second map, but it's less interesting still. With these maps you always run the danger of being boring unless it's exceptionally executed.

This is getting more interesting since there's all the LOS blockers around. Still feels like you're being restrained with your concept here. I think they need to be used as tactically as possible since a bunch of them don't really contribute to the map at all. I also wish that the high ground side paths were more important, not sure how you do that though. Needs to have more bases to be more LotV-esque.


Interesting idea here. Problem is that it's a huge pain in the ass to defend behind the exposed mineral lines. I would even consider making the highground at 3/6/9/12 a path between the natural and the area behind the mineral lines. Balance wise I'd be concerned about the strength of the high ground overlooking the natural area since it seems a huge pain to break an entrenched position there.


These two have the most potential.

On May 07 2016 08:56 Uvantak wrote:

Yeah, I knew you would like it, but my main issue with the map is that I'm not sure if this is the kind of thing the 1st stage judges are looking forwards to, had the TLMC been judged by the DevTeam like previous contests, I would send this one no problem seeing that this is the kind of thing they enjoy (I mean, I developed the map for them), but afaik this time the judges are mostly progamers who are pretty tired of the quirky maps, even if it is more of a standard-ish quirky one.

So yeah, overall I'm not sure what to submit given the "last moment" changes on the judging panel.

On May 07 2016 11:32 Avexyli wrote:


Macro Map. Subcategory would be the gold one, as the gold is close by and defendable as a natural, but punishable.

144x144.

ninja edit: fixed the distance between main and natural, squished the gap of the gold base entrance, added a ramp for the area above the gold.