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Knalle
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland15 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 21:37:46
January 15 2014 16:23 GMT
#1
Hello! i am Knalle and here's my micro map.

About the map
Currently map has 31 micro challenges.
Going to add more when i have new ideas and get around making them.

I have balanced the challenges around my own micro level. Some challenges have a lot more polish than others. Most challenges have endless level and everything is not meant to be beatable.

Challenges
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Multiplayer possible to change control of units to certain players.

How to play it?
You can find the map on NA, EU, SEA and KR servers, by searching the map name in arcade Knalle Micro Map

Credits
My clan GSCV for testing and ideas.
Team Crux for (Wiki)Polar Night
"Ling Bane" challenge is a modified version of a challenge in Blizzards Micro Masters map.
Dargleins micro map for inspiration to do this.
Khol for the art in loading screen and arcade icon.
"Stutter" challenge idea is from Qxc's version.
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I would really appreciate a rating and review on arcade or post on this thread on how you liked the map. If you like to request some challenge that you would like to see in the map feel free to, tho i am not very skilled in the editor.

This is crazy how much this map has blown up. Thanks to everyone that has commented or posted on any site on this map really means a lot.

(forgot to set arcade tag hopefully someone can fix that)
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 15 2014 16:45 GMT
#2
Awesome! I will check it out asap
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enord
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
France258 Posts
January 15 2014 17:45 GMT
#3
<3 micro maps

you should pm a mod directly if you want a thread title change ; just ask politely and precisely what you want and link to the thread, to find one check the tl irc or the automated ban list to find which is active when you ask (tl mods are very busy / helpful, but they most likely won't see your request otherwise)
make / have a good tl .. ohhh and i want my icon back :°D
Phaenoman
Profile Joined February 2013
568 Posts
January 15 2014 21:29 GMT
#4
Finally! Was waiting for that man ;D I don't know what skill u are talking about, but u definitly know how to trigger dude :D
Random is hard work dude...
MorDka
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland543 Posts
January 18 2014 16:13 GMT
#5
Great map. In a sentry immortal challange you should add warp prism for more ways to micro.
Samtastic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States46 Posts
January 19 2014 05:16 GMT
#6
i think its impossible to kill an scv with one queen
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watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany475 Posts
January 19 2014 13:57 GMT
#7
I like the map but I have an improvement:

I think after each round you should add that the camera turns back into the center of the map that you don't have to do that much scrolling
Have a nice day!
Knalle
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland15 Posts
January 19 2014 15:06 GMT
#8
@MorDka thanks for replying will be sure to add that!
@Samtastic it's very much possible, but it might be harder in arcade since it seems to have more lag than ladder game.
@TrumpetWilli i had that feature in but removed it because it got annoying after time while doing the map, ill make it a option.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 15:14:42
January 19 2014 15:14 GMT
#9
I like it!!

Maybe something like custom hotkey sets tyhat it remembers?
And a cost v cost indicator, like, was I cost effective or was I not??
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Knalle
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland15 Posts
January 19 2014 15:31 GMT
#10
@SC2Toastie Thanks! What do you mean by hotkeys sets? And i like that cost idea!
watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany475 Posts
January 19 2014 21:30 GMT
#11
it got annoying? i dont speak of the center of the while Map but for example in Marine Split when you run into a corner and then when the net round starts, Camera will focus back onto the Marines
Have a nice day!
Knalle
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland15 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 21:41:09
January 19 2014 21:40 GMT
#12
@TrumpetWilli I know what you mean i had it that way but removed it when i was testing for some reason. Like i said ill add it as option.
watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany475 Posts
January 20 2014 13:06 GMT
#13
Haha okay, you're the expert so I'll just believe you in this case
I'm interested in how it'll work out tough
Have a nice day!
Gene(S)is
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden419 Posts
January 20 2014 14:30 GMT
#14
cool, gonna check it out
For the swarm
Gumdrop
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States35 Posts
January 22 2014 16:34 GMT
#15
I enjoy this game. It finally gives me a way to practice my micro against templar with storm.

The templar are somewhat stupid though. :/ They only send one storm at a time and they tend to not want to storm on top of themselves. For instance, if I get some stimmed marines close to the templar, even though the templar will 100% die no matter what happens, they won't storm my marines because they are too close to the templar.

Another thing that I would like, and this might go beyound the scope of your game, but it would be cool if while we were microing you gave us an optional base to macro. Like we could throw down depots, more barracks, make SCVs, make more units all the while doing the micro challenge. I think that it would make the game more useful, becuase rarely is it ever a good idea to just be microing at the expense of everything else. We often have to be macroing while attempting to be gosu with our units.

Anyhow, thank you for making it. Its pretty good.
"Once more unto the breech dear friends, once more!"- Hamlet's King Henry
Knalle
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland15 Posts
January 22 2014 17:40 GMT
#16
@Gumdrop
Thanks alot for the comment i really appreciate it keeps me motivated to keep making this and nice to get feedback.

I know some of the A.I are stupid i just made it use the Blizzard Elite A.I back when i made some of them haven't tried to update them since. I'll give it a shot trying to update A.I on some challenges especially Storm + Fungal. Now that i am a little bit more experienced with the editor hopefully i can make it work. And ill give the macro aspect a shot at some point, see what i can do, sounds like great idea if executed correctly.
Calt
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland1140 Posts
January 22 2014 17:56 GMT
#17
Played this for a while today vs AI (the terran ones anyway), it will probably become my go-to micro map! The reaper vs protoss especially was really nice and the micro felt pretty realistic from the AI.

The storm/zealot one was cool as well but like the poster above me said it had some problems. I could just kite the zealots away, kill them and then split and rush up to the templars. Sometimes like half of the templars wouldn't even use their storms when there were 8+ of them. The fungal one seemed to have this as well though I didn't play it as much. I can imagine its very hard to make them realistic though.

Overall cool map!
Maru | MMA | Ryung | MKP | NaDa | BoxeR | FOREVER SLAYERS
watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany475 Posts
January 23 2014 16:34 GMT
#18
Played today… seems like the option to show/hide the UI is broken, can't disable it anymore
Have a nice day!
Knalle
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland15 Posts
January 24 2014 09:13 GMT
#19
@TrumpetWilli seems to be working fine for me, not sure if patch affected the map in some way
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
January 26 2014 12:35 GMT
#20
Excellent map! Great job!

Only problem is that "Stutter" doesn't work at all for me. Nothing appears on screen (I have no units that I can control)

It seems that Zerg doesn't have much micro, but I am sure you can make some easily :

- ling + bane + muta vs marine + widow mine. Learn to split
- ling + muta + viper vs marine + tank. Learn to use the viper
Knalle
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland15 Posts
January 26 2014 18:24 GMT
#21
@fezvez Thanks! at "Stutter" you need to select one of the neutral units that are up on the platform then it starts, i probably should have indicated that somewhere

Yea i mostly play terran in 1v1 so i don't have much experience in other MU micro battles.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-26 18:27:00
January 26 2014 18:25 GMT
#22
On January 26 2014 21:35 fezvez wrote:
Excellent map! Great job!

Only problem is that "Stutter" doesn't work at all for me. Nothing appears on screen (I have no units that I can control)

It seems that Zerg doesn't have much micro, but I am sure you can make some easily :

- ling + bane + muta vs marine + widow mine. Learn to split
- ling + muta + viper vs marine + tank. Learn to use the viper

Problem being that a lot of Zerg micro is a reaction to Terran micro, which is hard to artificially implement.

I would however say it is a good idea to give a clump of 10 mutas + 1 overseer with speed and kill a target SCV while surviving a minefield and possibly have the SCV make turrets so it becomes harder and harder.

I can also think of RoachHydra vs RoachHydra engagements, Queen vs Hellions possibly, Roaches vs Gateway units, Viper Corruptor Host vs Deathball, these are all pretty easy to implement I guess.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
January 26 2014 18:28 GMT
#23
This might sound bashy BTW, but I found myself using this map for 20 minutes as a warmup instead of marine split challenge, just because it is fun :D:D

I found the stutterstep trainer pretty easy to use, maybe a small mentioning of to click the unit.
There's however one flaw, Thor, for example, has such a long attack animation, you can impossibly keep up with the automatic Thor vs HT. Maybe make it so that both units have to stutterstep, but the southern (AI) lane does so perfectly, and the northern is player controlled.

Would also be good to allow the anti-worker training to select the unit you want to use
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
sil0r
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany43 Posts
January 26 2014 22:57 GMT
#24
I enjoy playing this mod a lot!
Any chance you will be adding the Deathball scenario from Dargleins Micro Trainer, where you have to engage the protoss deathball with your bioforce?
Maybe even some Bioball+Ghosts vs. Gateway+Templar army where you have to scan ahead or send some scouting marines around your BioBall to spot incoming templars. Would be sick and useful

Anyway thanks for the efforts you put into this <3
The early third hatches the drone
ricepaper
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4 Posts
January 26 2014 23:41 GMT
#25
Cool map but is there an option to turn off the auto attack AI of the "hostile" player?

I've tried it with a friend and whoever controls Player 2 needs to fight the AI for control, because it auto fungals and auto storms. An option to turn this of would be nice, otherwise it's a great map.
nawias
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland12 Posts
January 27 2014 01:31 GMT
#26
very nice game but

it needs a co-op or a 1vs1 mode where players have a few lives per level vs AI, and player and obs switches every failed try, players get points

that would be epic
NumbNuts
Profile Joined December 2010
21 Posts
January 27 2014 08:13 GMT
#27
Would be cool if there was a version of storm dodge where you have marauders and medivacs. Maybe even zlots have charge.
Usually you won't face storm with just rines.
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-27 13:43:11
January 27 2014 13:32 GMT
#28
Going to try it! are there levels like on dargleins?

btw: if you can get to 40 banelings on marine split i think you did a split as good as automaton :D
When cats speak, mice listen.
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
January 27 2014 15:51 GMT
#29
awesome! I'll have to try this out :D Always fun to have micro maps
dabosaur
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden95 Posts
January 27 2014 17:42 GMT
#30
Wow these are really good. Thank you!
Gene(S)is
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden419 Posts
January 27 2014 20:00 GMT
#31
ultra marauder is a bit weird, adding 1 ultra extra per time you make it is not very rewarding maybe add a marauder or have more ultras but lover their hp, also it seems the ultras give a debuff, my marauders gets slowed when they are hit...

And on fungle doding the lings just sit in the corner whiile the infestors go to mid.
For the swarm
Knalle
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland15 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-27 21:11:10
January 27 2014 20:31 GMT
#32
On January 28 2014 05:00 Gene(S)is wrote:
ultra marauder is a bit weird, adding 1 ultra extra per time you make it is not very rewarding maybe add a marauder or have more ultras but lover their hp, also it seems the ultras give a debuff, my marauders gets slowed when they are hit...

And on fungle doding the lings just sit in the corner whiile the infestors go to mid.


I'm not experiencing this slowing with Ultramarauder O_o And yes fungal dodging needs some polishing : P
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
January 27 2014 20:40 GMT
#33
Really fun map! Any chance at you making something like darglein's multitask trainer, but for all 3 races??
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DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
January 28 2014 16:20 GMT
#34
Storm Dodging doesn't scale well with levels, it starts getting impossibly hard after 4 high templar
When cats speak, mice listen.
watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany475 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 18:08:39
January 28 2014 18:08 GMT
#35
On January 29 2014 01:20 DinosaurPoop wrote:
Storm Dodging doesn't scale well with levels, it starts getting impossibly hard after 4 high templar


Yeah, I figured that in many challenges that they get impossible after 4-5 rounds.

e.g.

Storm Dodging: Add one HT, then one Zealot, then one Zealot, then HT again and so on
The Ultramarauder thing as well… i mean it's fun and things but as soon as it is 4 Marauders against 4 Ultralisks, it's impossible


_______

And yeah, Fungal dodging isn't working correctly
Have a nice day!
Bulugulu
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel250 Posts
January 29 2014 08:11 GMT
#36
On January 29 2014 03:08 TrumpetWilli wrote:
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On January 29 2014 01:20 DinosaurPoop wrote:
Storm Dodging doesn't scale well with levels, it starts getting impossibly hard after 4 high templar


Yeah, I figured that in many challenges that they get impossible after 4-5 rounds.

e.g.

Storm Dodging: Add one HT, then one Zealot, then one Zealot, then HT again and so on
The Ultramarauder thing as well… i mean it's fun and things but as soon as it is 4 Marauders against 4 Ultralisks, it's impossible


_______

And yeah, Fungal dodging isn't working correctly


the ultra rauder one is possible at 4, but there shoudl be banes/lings mixed in with that to make it realistic/harder.
Also maybe infestors.
“Before enlightenment; chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment; chop wood, carry water.”
HEYALEX
Profile Joined March 2012
United States21 Posts
January 30 2014 22:55 GMT
#37
On January 29 2014 01:20 DinosaurPoop wrote:
Storm Dodging doesn't scale well with levels, it starts getting impossibly hard after 4 high templar


I feel like some marauders should be added in to the mix. I can't get past 9 templars because they literally have enough storms to storm each marine individually.
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
February 01 2014 14:36 GMT
#38
how do you get past 9 templar? do you presplit?
When cats speak, mice listen.
MistSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden583 Posts
February 01 2014 17:06 GMT
#39
Great map!, hope you keep adding on challanges!
Maru, TY, Clem <3
AvengingSyndrome
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia3 Posts
February 02 2014 02:03 GMT
#40
Great map - I found a bug in the Bio Tank challenge. If the map resets as Mutalisks are attacking your Medivacs then the glave can bounce and hit a tank after the reset.
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Bulugulu
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel250 Posts
February 02 2014 08:32 GMT
#41
On February 01 2014 23:36 DinosaurPoop wrote:
how do you get past 9 templar? do you presplit?


Once you kill/whittle down the zealots, dodge the storms in the direction of the hts forcing the protoss to storm himself.
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DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
February 05 2014 03:45 GMT
#42
How to whittle down the zealots without getting stormed? Just kite don't split?
When cats speak, mice listen.
Fhiz
Profile Joined October 2013
361 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-05 04:20:05
February 05 2014 04:19 GMT
#43
I recently saw this on Iaguz's stream and I just wanted to say that it is hands down the best I have ever played on; keep up the good work!!
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Abdhalla
Profile Joined June 2012
Belgium8 Posts
February 11 2014 13:15 GMT
#44
I've been playing your map for a while and I really enjoyed it.

But I'm quite disappointed by the lastest version for 2 reasons :

- in the blink stalker challenge, the IA makes enemy stalkers blink forward instead of backward, that's really strange

- I prefered the previous "focus fire" because you had more space (and marines). So you could chose to hit and run or to split against banelings AND speedlings.

Also it would be great to see challenges with bigger armies, like Bioball vs Mech or Protoss Deathball against Bioball + vinkings and ghosts (both ways) or stuff like that.


But I really like your map, I've been playing it at least twice a week for months. As a master league player I think it is really fun and made me improve. Thank you a lot for your work.

PS: Sorry for my bad english.
Desive
Profile Joined July 2012
Spain13 Posts
July 07 2014 12:24 GMT
#45
Are you still working on this Knalle? I would like to know because zerg lacks some challenges and I like this map very much and I'm sure many people would like it to be updated
Knalle
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland15 Posts
July 29 2014 11:28 GMT
#46
On July 07 2014 21:24 Desive wrote:
Are you still working on this Knalle? I would like to know because zerg lacks some challenges and I like this map very much and I'm sure many people would like it to be updated


@Desive
Yes i just started recently to work on this again and there will be a lot of new stuff when its done like Challenge Creator which lets you create your own challenges in the map, but i wont promise anything because i have broken my promises about this map before.

If you have ideas for zerg challenges or other challenges, you can PM me with the details, army compositions, terrain, win/lose conditions and other stuff the challenge would need.
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