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On September 10 2012 18:59 Nogan wrote:A few changes. I enlarged the main, cleaned up the natural, widened the side ramps, and added some rocks. Protoss can now choke off the natural between the rocks and ramp with two 3x3 buildings and a pylon. I'm still concerned about the size of the main and the center expansions, but I don't know how I'd make them any bigger without changing the entire map. + Show Spoiler +
i think you need to publish it so we can play some games before we can comment further. it looks like youve done a good job on the map but there comes a point where you just need to play it to actually judge if ideas work or not.
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On September 02 2012 11:23 -NegativeZero- wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0kvxd.jpg) Redesign of Steppes of War. I've posted an earlier version of this in its own thread, but after stretching the center horizontally and added the center 6m1hyg bases, I don't know what to do with the middle. Any suggestions? Edit: Also, are the 6m1hyg bases in a good location, or would they be better in front of the 3rds (daybreak style) or in front of the naturals by the long arcs of doodads?
Jesus Christ. This should be in the ladder pool.
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On September 10 2012 18:59 Nogan wrote:A few changes. I enlarged the main, cleaned up the natural, widened the side ramps, and added some rocks. Protoss can now choke off the natural between the rocks and ramp with two 3x3 buildings and a pylon. I'm still concerned about the size of the main and the center expansions, but I don't know how I'd make them any bigger without changing the entire map. + Show Spoiler +
That actually looks really cool. Where do you see most players taking their 3rd?
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On September 10 2012 22:42 a176 wrote:
i think you need to publish it so we can play some games before we can comment further. it looks like youve done a good job on the map but there comes a point where you just need to play it to actually judge if ideas work or not.
I suppose I'll publish it as soon as I'm able to create topics. Is there a channel where people test these sorts of maps?
On September 11 2012 01:03 OxyGenesis wrote:
That actually looks really cool. Where do you see most players taking their 3rd?
It would probably depend on the situation. The half expansions are the most isolated places on the map and directly connected to the mains, so they would be safe to grab if the player was behind or wanted to focus on getting a mid-game advantage. It's worth noting that walling the natural also secures the half expansion, so long as the rocks aren't killed.
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On September 11 2012 01:45 Nogan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 22:42 a176 wrote:
i think you need to publish it so we can play some games before we can comment further. it looks like youve done a good job on the map but there comes a point where you just need to play it to actually judge if ideas work or not. I suppose I'll publish it as soon as I'm able to create topics. Is there a channel where people test these sorts of maps? Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 01:03 OxyGenesis wrote:
That actually looks really cool. Where do you see most players taking their 3rd? It would probably depend on the situation. The half expansions are the most isolated places on the map and directly connected to the mains, so they would be safe to grab if the player was behind or wanted to focus on getting a mid-game advantage. It's worth noting that walling the natural also secures the half expansion, so long as the rocks aren't killed.
In order to publish it you just go file.. publish in the editor (log in using your normal bnet login and proceed with the publish settings). You don't have to make a thread here but you can if you want.
Are you perhaps just not finding the create thread link? I had this problem too once long ago. ^^
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The map is just narrow in general. You could put more space in the back hallway near the natural if you want more build space. I don't think you need to worry about the main base resources being tankable from outside. It's just part of the map in this case. You have to go way past the natural anyway, and in a real game of SC2 how often does it really matter that theoretically tanks can hit the main minerals? In a TvT you've overextended if you have a tank in that position (in a 1base vs 1base situation). For protoss they need an expansion to hold a 1-1-1 anyway. Against zerg they're dead if they've lost their natural to tanks anyway. So I don't think it matters, if you want to move the minerals back and create more "space" in the main without changing its size.
Around the map you could remove/reduce the trees to create a little more space in certain places.
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Are you perhaps just not finding the create thread link? I had this problem too once long ago. ^^
You have to wait 3 days before posting a topic don't you?
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First a picture of a nearly finished map. It acutally does not perfectly represent the ingame view as I could not manage to show the edited lighting regions (which I finally figured out) in the overview. I am thinking about a name like "Springs Castle" or something alike. I want your suggestions!
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0YMmI.jpg)
Then a concept I came up yesterday. How do you think would this play out? Note that I am pretty sure that I will probably delete the rocks and make the lowground continue. Oh also I forgot to add rocks to the small ramp at the nat.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SlE9o.jpg)
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Sorry to bump you down immediately with my new thread, had been typing it for a while and didn't know.
The lighting on that first one is pretty cool, even if it's not all displaying correctly. Looks pretty cutthroat with the partial 3rd and tough 4th.
As for the experiment map, I don't know if we've seen a map brazenly put 2 nat entrances, neither with rocks. As we move toward HOTS this might become the new standard, who knows. This is a little diff than the other map, since it goes: hard nat - easy 3rd. That 4th might actually not be that hard to hold with the watchtower protecting it like that and it being on highground. Hard to tell for sure though.
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On September 11 2012 18:01 Fatam wrote:
Sorry to bump you down immediately with my new thread, had been typing it for a while and didn't know.
The lighting on that first one is pretty cool, even if it's not all displaying correctly. Looks pretty cutthroat with the partial 3rd and tough 4th.
As for the experiment map, I don't know if we've seen a map brazenly put 2 nat entrances, neither with rocks. As we move toward HOTS this might become the new standard, who knows. This is a little diff than the other map, since it goes: hard nat - easy 3rd. That 4th might actually not be that hard to hold with the watchtower protecting it like that and it being on highground. Hard to tell for sure though.
Ohana?
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Well ohana has rocks blocking 1 of the ramps. Unless you have that in the plans
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On September 11 2012 17:46 Aunvilgod wrote:Oh also I forgot to add rocks to the small ramp at the nat.
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lol nice, my reading comprehension fails 
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@Aunvilgod In your experimental map, how tightly choked in are tanks just behind the rock entrance, and can they pack in behind the minerals of the third? If they can, this could be an issue in TvZ where tanks can do a ton of damage without lings being able to get to them.
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On September 11 2012 19:01 Yonnua wrote:
@Aunvilgod In your experimental map, how tightly choked in are tanks just behind the rock entrance, and can they pack in behind the minerals of the third? If they can, this could be an issue in TvZ where tanks can do a ton of damage without lings being able to get to them.
I will probably just block pathing behind the third. These minor issues will all be fixed, what I am rather wondering about is the situation once players take their 4th/5th.
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Aunvilgod, your concept is interesting and a nice take at circle syndrome. Once the rocks are down the rush distance appears low and the straight path is the only viable option. Two base and max three base timing all the time.probably reconsider the size and change the middle also shifting the split axis a bit.
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On September 11 2012 17:46 Aunvilgod wrote:Note that I am pretty sure that I will probably delete the rocks and make the lowground continue.
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On September 11 2012 17:46 Aunvilgod wrote:First a picture of a nearly finished map. It acutally does not perfectly represent the ingame view as I could not manage to show the edited lighting regions (which I finally figured out) in the overview. I am thinking about a name like "Springs Castle" or something alike. I want your suggestions!
edit: was wrong
I'm trying this..
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2eDBk.jpg)
(No aesthetics yet)
I'm worried that controlling the center is too imbalanced, should I be concerned?
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the middle isnt an issue (see cloud kingdom)
also, the big area is the main + free rear third + nat on lowground?
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On September 12 2012 07:08 a176 wrote:
the middle isnt an issue (see cloud kingdom)
also, the big area is the main + free rear third + nat on lowground?
...not sure what you're asking?
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Hey, I finally made another map.... but the middle looks a lot like my previous map Bel'shir Thicket .
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I had this concept for a while now, and, while executed differently than originally on paper, I think it came out better. I put rocks in the middle because I've always been a fan of rocks blocking half of a ramp, but also because of how the pathing works from Main -> Main. They seem to take the ramps near the 4th / 5th base instead of the middle. Pathing from the nat works as intended.
Because I made the map a relatively easy 3 base, I made the 4th + bases a little harder to take and added a backdoor to the third. You can hit the left gas of the nat from the 3rd, but I was fine with this. If it's a problem I can easily fix that.
The 6th bases (towards the middle) were just put there to have 6 bases. While they are close to the 4th, I feel that they are relatively hard to hold.
The texturing is obviously non-existent and I didn't start anything doodad wise until I feel the map has a solid layout.Any feedback is appreciated, and the map is published (not under arcade) as Pristine Falls if anyone wants to playtest it! 
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