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On April 10 2012 08:08 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 07:11 NewSunshine wrote:Seriously, it's been said before, only now it's more so: you've become infinitely more obnoxious than Barrin could ever have been, even for someone agreeing with your views. Now you're just beginning to look like a troll who got bored with the Blizzard forums. well, that's just your opinion, isn't it.. You know one of the things that characterizes the blizzard forums? People labeling everyone they don't agree with as trolls. Seriously, if everyone who made a post/thread about "their idea" started posting in other threads not about "their idea," the mods would probably start banning these people as quickly as they ban image macros or balance whine.Just because you have "an idea" it shouldn't give you carte blanche to spam in other people's threads.I suspect Barrin only gets away with it because he's a mod and for some reason people have blindly latched onto an unproven idea. I am seriously not trolling Barrin -- why would I? I've never even had an exchange with him before. From what I've been saying, I thought my motives for criticizing him were immediately obvious. I have no other agenda here except to tell him to stop spamming his idea around the forum when there are already threads dedicated to the topic. If I came off as rude* or whatever before, yeah, I can see why and I'll change my tone from now on. So yeah, Barrin, please stop spamming your idea outside of the thread(s) dedicated to it. It's not a cool way to behave. (*imo, jumping into a thread with "this would be better if it conformed to My Idea" is also disrespectful behavior)
Your like those people that sulk about spoilers, just get over it, he can post whatever he likes, hes not breaking any rules, so just shoosh and get on with it, because I support Barrin's idea and I have personally played FRB and its the most enjoyment I have got out of Starcraft 2.
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On April 10 2012 08:08 Quotidian wrote:
well, that's just your opinion, isn't it..
Well, no, it isn't just mine, clearly.
On April 10 2012 08:08 Quotidian wrote:
I am seriously not trolling Barrin -- why would I? I've never even had an exchange with him before. From what I've been saying, I thought my motives for criticizing him were immediately obvious. I have no other agenda here except to tell him to stop spamming his idea around the forum when there are already threads dedicated to the topic. If I came off as rude* or whatever before, yeah, I can see why and I'll change my tone from now on. So yeah, Barrin, please stop spamming your idea outside of the thread(s) dedicated to it. It's not a cool way to behave.
(*imo, jumping into a thread with "this would be better if it conformed to My Idea" is also disrespectful behavior)
So far, 2 threads, if I'm not mistaken, where he's mentioned it, beside the main discussion thread, so I wouldn't call it spamming. Two. And besides, who are you to try and silence someone, especially someone who's put so much thought, not to mention faith, in his own idea? Maybe you could, if he were trying to revive the nazi regime with a new elaborate plan, for instance, but I digress. That is not a cool way to behave. It doesn't matter whether or not he's right.
Carry on any further, and you seriously are a troll. This has nothing to do with you and I agreeing, so don't pull that card out either.
Frankly, I never get this animated about a topic on the Blizzard forums, because it's never worth it, but I'd like to think we should be held to a higher standard here, so pardon me if I come off as rude.
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On April 10 2012 09:50 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 08:08 Quotidian wrote:
well, that's just your opinion, isn't it.. Well, no, it isn't just mine, clearly. Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 08:08 Quotidian wrote:
I am seriously not trolling Barrin -- why would I? I've never even had an exchange with him before. From what I've been saying, I thought my motives for criticizing him were immediately obvious. I have no other agenda here except to tell him to stop spamming his idea around the forum when there are already threads dedicated to the topic. If I came off as rude* or whatever before, yeah, I can see why and I'll change my tone from now on. So yeah, Barrin, please stop spamming your idea outside of the thread(s) dedicated to it. It's not a cool way to behave.
(*imo, jumping into a thread with "this would be better if it conformed to My Idea" is also disrespectful behavior) So far, 2 threads, if I'm not mistaken, where he's mentioned it, beside the main discussion thread, so I wouldn't call it spamming. Two. And besides, who are you to try and silence someone, especially someone who's put so much thought, not to mention faith, in his own idea? Maybe you could, if he were trying to revive the nazi regime with a new elaborate plan, for instance, but I digress. That is not a cool way to behave. It doesn't matter whether or not he's right. Carry on any further, and you seriously are a troll. This has nothing to do with you and I agreeing, so don't pull that card out either. Frankly, I never get this animated about a topic on the Blizzard forums, because it's never worth it, but I'd like to think we should be held to a higher standard here, so pardon me if I come off as rude.
He's not trolling... The way Barrin forces his idea down people's throats, in threads where it does not belong, does not annoy just him, but myself (and others that I have spoken to as well). Saying something like "I've almost given up judging 8m maps [b/c they're trash]" or "it's good, for an 8m map" is rude and derogatory to the mappers that put so much effort into a map system that is not only better and more stable (my opinion), but also more balanced and here to stay (blizzard's opinion). It's really annoying. Nothing against Barrin ofc, he put a huge deal of thought and effort into his idea, but now he tries to push that idea down everyone's throat, which will probably end in people (like me and Quot) being left with a distaste towards the notion itself).
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On April 10 2012 09:50 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 08:08 Quotidian wrote:
well, that's just your opinion, isn't it.. Well, no, it isn't just mine, clearly. Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 08:08 Quotidian wrote:
I am seriously not trolling Barrin -- why would I? I've never even had an exchange with him before. From what I've been saying, I thought my motives for criticizing him were immediately obvious. I have no other agenda here except to tell him to stop spamming his idea around the forum when there are already threads dedicated to the topic. If I came off as rude* or whatever before, yeah, I can see why and I'll change my tone from now on. So yeah, Barrin, please stop spamming your idea outside of the thread(s) dedicated to it. It's not a cool way to behave.
(*imo, jumping into a thread with "this would be better if it conformed to My Idea" is also disrespectful behavior) So far, 2 threads, if I'm not mistaken, where he's mentioned it, beside the main discussion thread, so I wouldn't call it spamming. Two. And besides, who are you to try and silence someone, especially someone who's put so much thought, not to mention faith, in his own idea? Maybe you could, if he were trying to revive the nazi regime with a new elaborate plan, for instance, but I digress. That is not a cool way to behave. It doesn't matter whether or not he's right. Carry on any further, and you seriously are a troll. This has nothing to do with you and I agreeing, so don't pull that card out either. Frankly, I never get this animated about a topic on the Blizzard forums, because it's never worth it, but I'd like to think we should be held to a higher standard here, so pardon me if I come off as rude.
It's spamming, no matter what you'd call it. It's intentionally bringing up a subject to spread an idea/product/whatever in a situation where it is out of place and irrelevant, without adding anything of value to the thread. "It'd be better as a 6m map" isn't valuable feedback - and when you consequently see how unapologetic Barrin is about it, it's safe to assume he has every intention to keep spamming, which should not go unchecked and unremarked upon in my opinion.
And what gives Barrin the right to spread his idea in every thread and situation where he sees fit, entirely at his discretion? If I had an idea that every custom map should take care to not allow lowground-to-highground proxy pylon warp-ins into bases/naturals, and I spammed this idea whenever I felt it was appropriate, I would quickly get a temp ban. "FRB" isn't any different, except you happen to like the concept.
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On April 10 2012 10:03 DYEAlabaster wrote:
He's not trolling... The way Barrin forces his idea down people's throats, in threads where it does not belong, does not annoy just him, but myself (and others that I have spoken to as well). Saying something like "I've almost given up judging 8m maps [b/c they're trash]" or "it's good, for an 8m map" is rude and derogatory to the mappers that put so much effort into a map system that is not only better and more stable (my opinion), but also more balanced and here to stay (blizzard's opinion). It's really annoying. Nothing against Barrin ofc, he put a huge deal of thought and effort into his idea, but now he tries to push that idea down everyone's throat, which will probably end in people (like me and Quot) being left with a distaste towards the notion itself).
So he now thinks almost exclusively about 6m maps. You can see it as rude and derogatory all you want, but it is in fact up to the individual. He has the right to talk about his idea, and despite Quotidian's description, does not fall under spamming. Of course, he seems pretty unflappable about his own idea(that Barrin should shut up about it), so I'm not going to try and persuade him either.
There's an adage: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". There are other little nuances regarding tact in conversation, but the aforementioned adage is the short of it. All this talk about his posts is not necessary, by any means.
p.s. I would like to apologize to WinPark for the controversy that has come about. Not exactly helpful feedback, I know.
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WinPark, what about what IronmanSC said regarding lowering the thirds?
Personally I think the thirds might be ok on raised ground, but maybe they should have a bit of a wider ramp to offset the defensive power of the raised ground.
I really do like the map though, I think it's going to be a winner.
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I think this map is a bit terran/protoss favored vs Zerg because of all that cliffs and chokes.
But it looks very nice and allows a lot of different expanding paths. So i would like to see it in some competitive games 
The expansions aren't that far away from your main but on the other hand they aren't too easy to defend, too.
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On April 10 2012 23:35 avc wrote:
WinPark, what about what IronmanSC said regarding lowering the thirds?
Personally I think the thirds might be ok on raised ground, but maybe they should have a bit of a wider ramp to offset the defensive power of the raised ground.
I really do like the map though, I think it's going to be a winner.
absolutely not. it's extremely important that 3rds are on raised ground or small chokes, see fighting spirit, destination...if u put it on the same level, then you need to remove one ramp.
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avc, I think that is too standard. Recently, many maps become quite similar with one another.
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On April 15 2012 03:18 winpark wrote:
avc, I think that is too standard. Recently, many maps become quite similar with one another.
I used this map in a tournament I ran recently in Edmonton and everyone really took well to it! It had some awesome games! Thanks for the great maps
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Poor winpark having his thread derailed so badly...
t.t
Very nice map man!
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On April 15 2012 03:18 winpark wrote:
avc, I think that is too standard. Recently, many maps become quite similar with one another.
You are right, it would be nice to have different maps in the pool, I was just concerned over the ease of defending from so many high positions. Since the map has so many narrow chokes on it already, there isn't much open space for a race like Zerg to work with.
Still, I really like this map and hope it gets more attention, I can certainly see it ending up in the GSL.
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Hmm, interesting... it reminds me of a re-worked steppes of war... Me like. :D.
(Wish Blizz had made a custom system where you could play maps like this w/o having to have freinds.)
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So, when is this going to replace Antiga Shipyard in the ladder pool?
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Looks like an awesome map, can`t wait to try it out!
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On April 07 2012 22:24 Kmatt wrote:
At first glance, this feels a lot like that 8-player FFA map, but the way the plateaus bridge them all together seems really natural. As a zerg, however, I feel really cramped trying to engage unless I've already got brood lords over the gaps and high ground.
Although this map may seem bad for zerg because of the cramped positions in a head on assault, the connections between each of the areas would actually allow for great surrounds. I really like the way you can maneuver around. Ling counters would be great =D. I really like this map even for 1v1.
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This map is insanely awesome.
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