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GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
September 01 2012 01:14 GMT
#1621
XenoX thanks for all your hard work. This isn't fair
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Natespank
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada449 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-01 01:49:19
September 01 2012 01:48 GMT
#1622
This is amusing.

1- That you could just make a mod that is basically the entire multiplayer component of their upcoming expansion shows that their expansion, in terms of multiplayer, is nothing but them toying with some models and the unit editor features of their maps.
2- Your mod was so similar to the planned expansion they made you take it down- apparently, you do their job as well or better than they do.

What are we paying them for? Let's get the Starbow guys some funding so they can get full time testers and designers, apparently there's no difference between blizzard and them/him.

Honestly, depending on the execution of it, starbow looks a lot more promising than hots anyway... actually, might go play a game now...

edit: I want to express how I think you did very well with this project. I failed to do so adequately above- you rule! Watching the HD hots custom tournament now.
XenoX101
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia729 Posts
September 01 2012 07:35 GMT
#1623
Hey guys, new maps are up in the rotation. The 1v1 map is now Cloud Kingdom, and this map will reappear again within the next few days. The 4v4 map is now Sand Canyon. For map overviews you can view the first page of this thread or as usual click the 'next screenshot' button in the Arcade.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-01 15:08:01
September 01 2012 07:42 GMT
#1624
SC2TV will start a tournament (similar to previous one) during these weekends, before all hots maps will shutdown.

Today there will be main tournament with $100 prize, and then Sunday - tournament for all players, who want it.

(7:00 AM PDT & PST) Acer.Bly vs Morrow --> Semi A
(7:45 AM PDT & PST) imba.Adolf[RA] vs NaVi.Hireling --> Semi A
(8:30 AM PDT & PST) Mr.X vs VPBenQ|sLivko --> Semi B
(9:15 AM PDT & PST) imba.Couguar vs RoX.KIS.Pro7ect --> Semi B
(10:00 AM PDT & PST) Semifinal A
(10:45 AM PDT & PST) Semifinal B
(11:30 AM PDT & PST) Finals.
AdrianHealey
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium480 Posts
September 01 2012 10:54 GMT
#1625
On August 31 2012 17:46 XenoX101 wrote:
Hey everyone, got a bit of sad news about the mod. Blizzard emailed me today about some concerns they have of the mod becoming too similar to the Closed Beta, the potential for confusion and conflict between the custom and beta versions of Heart of the Swarm, and how in being so similar my map technically will allow people to bypass the Closed aspect of the Beta. As such, the maps will be taken down from all servers as of Monday, 3rd of September 2012. I say this now so that people can make the most of the limited time left on the maps before it goes down.

So I guess this will be it for the mod, I will say though that it's been a good run, and much of where the mod is today is thanks to all the feedback you guys were able to provide. I hope that everyone made the most of the opportunity they had, and looks forward to doing the same thing in the real Heart of the Swarm some time in the near future. I am glad that I was able to work on such a project and provide people this great opportunity to experience Heart of the Swarm.

As far as my map-making ventures are concerned. I have an entirely unrelated project called Micro Match that I still need to finish, which hopefully will be out sometime in the not too distant future, but no deadlines yet.

So thanks again for all your support, and I hope you make the most of these last moments before the maps go down.


Can't you keep it without the name HOTS?

I love.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-01 11:26:46
September 01 2012 11:21 GMT
#1626
thank you for your work!

This decision by blizzard let me rethink if i will buy hots.

We, who make mods and programs for blizzard games, have to fight against blizzard all the time.
Other company's would not fight us they would support us.

I feel like, im done with their games.
Its time for more modern and open company's to take over...
Save gaming: kill esport
WeRRa
Profile Joined December 2010
378 Posts
September 01 2012 11:47 GMT
#1627
Yea blizzard has grown to a horrible company, wich gives a shit on the community, no matter if they think about balance, their expansions or things in general....
InnoVation Fighting!!!
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
September 01 2012 15:07 GMT
#1628
Instead Noname we have Morrow in this tournament!

Stream with tournament is going right now!

http://sc2tv.ru/
wrj
Profile Joined August 2012
219 Posts
September 01 2012 18:14 GMT
#1629
i wish balizard will die for taking down this map. xenox you should be so happy cuz you made balizard so much afraid because it was so good mod. il try somehow save try save this map and changes its name too: balizard is company of kids who are afraid to loss one dollar because of this map
P7GAB
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada486 Posts
September 01 2012 18:18 GMT
#1630
im suprised xenox didn't get a job out of this, i mean he basically made hots
kuriosa
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden14 Posts
September 01 2012 18:35 GMT
#1631
On September 02 2012 03:18 P7GAB wrote:
im suprised xenox didn't get a job out of this, i mean he basically made hots


He should defenitly get a Closed Beta HOTS key imo!
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
September 01 2012 18:46 GMT
#1632
What about compromisse?

- Rename map to any random name like "PurpleCraft" or "StarCraft: Swarm Wars"

- rename all new units to other. Like "Mothership Core" to "Nexus Ship", or "Widow Mine" to "Detonation Drone", or "Swarm Host" to "Lurker Host" or "Brood Host", replace tempest with Carrier model and remove Interceptors (remmeber Carrier boss from Viking arcade from WoL campaign? It can fire at long distances too) and rename it from "Tempest" to "Plasma Ship" or something similar

- do any other stuff to remove all similarity to HotS at design terms. Rename map, change main color from Purple to Orange or Green

Just try it. There was a RTS-parody to starcraft on iPad, with totally other races and other story, but same design, like zerg/toss/terran, but other names, units, characters in campaign, etc etc
XenoX101
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia729 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-01 19:19:47
September 01 2012 19:18 GMT
#1633
On September 02 2012 03:46 Existor wrote:
What about compromisse?

- Rename map to any random name like "PurpleCraft" or "StarCraft: Swarm Wars"

- rename all new units to other. Like "Mothership Core" to "Nexus Ship", or "Widow Mine" to "Detonation Drone", or "Swarm Host" to "Lurker Host" or "Brood Host", replace tempest with Carrier model and remove Interceptors (remmeber Carrier boss from Viking arcade from WoL campaign? It can fire at long distances too) and rename it from "Tempest" to "Plasma Ship" or something similar

- do any other stuff to remove all similarity to HotS at design terms. Rename map, change main color from Purple to Orange or Green

Just try it. There was a RTS-parody to starcraft on iPad, with totally other races and other story, but same design, like zerg/toss/terran, but other names, units, characters in campaign, etc etc


It is the functionality that they are most worried about, the units functioning the same way as in Heart of the Swarm, and if I changed that then the mod loses its purpose and any semblence of balance. Though it is upsetting, I think it makes perfect sense that they don't want WoL players to be able to play HOTS without either being in the Closed Beta or buying HOTS, because it gives players less incentive to buy HOTS and infringes on their intellectual property of the expansion.

The main point is that I am taking something they ultimately designed and balanced (I did not think up any of the HOTS units or stats), and providing it for free. Even if you argue that I hold some rights to the map, I do not hold rights to the HOTS units, so it is in a sense stealing for me to use them without their permission, like copying any other design from someone with a patent to it. It is only fair that because they came up with the ideas behind HOTS, they reserve the right to sell them within an expansion.
Dragonchief
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany8 Posts
September 01 2012 19:21 GMT
#1634
On September 02 2012 03:14 wrj wrote:
i wish balizard will die for taking down this map. xenox you should be so happy cuz you made balizard so much afraid because it was so good mod. il try somehow save try save this map and changes its name too: balizard is company of kids who are afraid to loss one dollar because of this map

I dont think they are afraid of how good the map is but of the possibility somebody makes a hots map which is really bad or doesnt show how it actually is in hots and people might not buy the game because of this imaginary bad mod/map which they might want to get a first impression from so Blizzard removes all HOTS maps to prevent this scenario.
Just my opinion why Blizzard is shutting them down.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
September 01 2012 20:01 GMT
#1635
On September 02 2012 04:18 XenoX101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 03:46 Existor wrote:
What about compromisse?

- Rename map to any random name like "PurpleCraft" or "StarCraft: Swarm Wars"

- rename all new units to other. Like "Mothership Core" to "Nexus Ship", or "Widow Mine" to "Detonation Drone", or "Swarm Host" to "Lurker Host" or "Brood Host", replace tempest with Carrier model and remove Interceptors (remmeber Carrier boss from Viking arcade from WoL campaign? It can fire at long distances too) and rename it from "Tempest" to "Plasma Ship" or something similar

- do any other stuff to remove all similarity to HotS at design terms. Rename map, change main color from Purple to Orange or Green

Just try it. There was a RTS-parody to starcraft on iPad, with totally other races and other story, but same design, like zerg/toss/terran, but other names, units, characters in campaign, etc etc


It is the functionality that they are most worried about, the units functioning the same way as in Heart of the Swarm, and if I changed that then the mod loses its purpose and any semblence of balance. Though it is upsetting, I think it makes perfect sense that they don't want WoL players to be able to play HOTS without either being in the Closed Beta or buying HOTS, because it gives players less incentive to buy HOTS and infringes on their intellectual property of the expansion.

The main point is that I am taking something they ultimately designed and balanced (I did not think up any of the HOTS units or stats), and providing it for free. Even if you argue that I hold some rights to the map, I do not hold rights to the HOTS units, so it is in a sense stealing for me to use them without their permission, like copying any other design from someone with a patent to it. It is only fair that because they came up with the ideas behind HOTS, they reserve the right to sell them within an expansion.



Hm, okay, I understand you. Now we must hope for a sooner beta start
XenoX101
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia729 Posts
September 01 2012 21:48 GMT
#1636
Ok I've rotated a new map in the 1v1 map rotation, it is now Entombed Valley. Also I will be changing the 2v2, 4v4 and FFA maps a bit later today as well.
memcpy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States459 Posts
September 01 2012 22:20 GMT
#1637
Thanks again for making this map. You did a really great job.
Herect
Profile Joined January 2012
Brazil216 Posts
September 01 2012 22:50 GMT
#1638
Did they released the replaypack from this last Hots custom tournament? It'll be possible to see the replays of the Hots customn after the map shutdown?

And thanks for the map. =)
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 02:42:22
September 02 2012 02:39 GMT
#1639
On September 01 2012 10:48 Natespank wrote:
This is amusing.

1- That you could just make a mod that is basically the entire multiplayer component of their upcoming expansion shows that their expansion, in terms of multiplayer, is nothing but them toying with some models and the unit editor features of their maps.
2- Your mod was so similar to the planned expansion they made you take it down- apparently, you do their job as well or better than they do.

What are we paying them for? Let's get the Starbow guys some funding so they can get full time testers and designers, apparently there's no difference between blizzard and them/him.

Honestly, depending on the execution of it, starbow looks a lot more promising than hots anyway... actually, might go play a game now...

I feel I should dispel this common misconception.

1- Of course that's all you need to do to make the new units. As powerful as the editor is, what did you think was really needed?

2- It's similar for a reason, he's copied it number for number. Of course it's going to be completed faster than when Blizzard did it, because Xenox wasn't designing the new units and coming up with the numbers from scratch. Blizzard has done literally all of the hard work, analyzing the roles that races need filled, and coming up with units that fill those roles without excessive role-based overlap. I've seen lots of people bashing Blizzard for this, when it's a frankly idiotic complaint. You go design LotV then, if it's so easy.

edit: I don't mean to degrade the work you've done at all, Xenox, just the opposite. The thing is, Blizzard has given the word to take it down, as is their absolute right, and people are brooding it more than is necessary, and hating where it isn't necessary.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
XenoX101
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia729 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 02:50:01
September 02 2012 02:49 GMT
#1640
On September 02 2012 11:39 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 10:48 Natespank wrote:
This is amusing.

1- That you could just make a mod that is basically the entire multiplayer component of their upcoming expansion shows that their expansion, in terms of multiplayer, is nothing but them toying with some models and the unit editor features of their maps.
2- Your mod was so similar to the planned expansion they made you take it down- apparently, you do their job as well or better than they do.

What are we paying them for? Let's get the Starbow guys some funding so they can get full time testers and designers, apparently there's no difference between blizzard and them/him.

Honestly, depending on the execution of it, starbow looks a lot more promising than hots anyway... actually, might go play a game now...

I feel I should dispel this common misconception.

1- Of course that's all you need to do to make the new units. As powerful as the editor is, what did you think was really needed?

2- It's similar for a reason, he's copied it number for number. Of course it's going to be completed faster than when Blizzard did it, because Xenox wasn't designing the new units and coming up with the numbers from scratch. Blizzard has done literally all of the hard work, analyzing the roles that races need filled, and coming up with units that fill those roles without excessive role-based overlap. I've seen lots of people bashing Blizzard for this, when it's a frankly idiotic complaint. You go design LotV then, if it's so easy.

edit: I don't mean to degrade the work you've done at all, Xenox, just the opposite. The thing is, Blizzard has given the word to take it down, as is their absolute right, and people are brooding it more than is necessary, and hating where it isn't necessary.


Yes, this is precisely the point I was making in the second paragraph of this post.
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