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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:47 Zolstice wrote:
May I ask, how did you guys check for the errors. Via analyzer images or did u guys actually open up the map?
My mediafire map files still has 0 downloads so I am assuming its thru the analyzer images no? Unless you guys are not finished checking every single one, or that my PM somehow didnt send..... well its in the sent box nevertheless.
We've been using images so far to go through everything. We'll be using map files soon.
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On November 02 2011 20:12 Meltage wrote:Is this am or pm time? Its UTC+09:00 btw.
using the [.date] [./date] feature on TL 1400 KST is Friday, Nov 04 5:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) in your local time.
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On November 02 2011 20:17 darglein wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 20:12 Meltage wrote:They have until 14:00 KST Friday to make minor modifications Is this am or pm time? Its UTC+09:00 btw. 14:00 = 2pm
Lol obviously. Stopid me ><
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On November 02 2011 15:36 Plexa wrote:
I have just sent out a PM to some people regarding their submissions. They have until 14:00 KST Friday to make minor modifications to their entries (such as adding geyers/minerals, small alterations to natural formations, +- rocks etc). If you have not received a PM it does not mean your map has been eliminated, it could mean that there was nothing needing to be fixed. All entrants are allowed to make minor adjustments to their entries until 14:00KST Friday for fairness. After all, this contest is about finding perfection!
Just curious, were the people who recieved PM's those within the 30 to give them a fighting chance, or was it more for the people who look like they really have a good concept (top 10-15 material) but have something holding them back?
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On November 02 2011 22:19 HypertonicHydroponic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 15:36 Plexa wrote:
I have just sent out a PM to some people regarding their submissions. They have until 14:00 KST Friday to make minor modifications to their entries (such as adding geyers/minerals, small alterations to natural formations, +- rocks etc). If you have not received a PM it does not mean your map has been eliminated, it could mean that there was nothing needing to be fixed. All entrants are allowed to make minor adjustments to their entries until 14:00KST Friday for fairness. After all, this contest is about finding perfection! Just curious, were the people who recieved PM's those within the 30 to give them a fighting chance, or was it more for the people who look like they really have a good concept (top 10-15 material) but have something holding them back?
The maps, not the people. We just got notes on suggestions to improve some of the maps. We don't know if the other maps made it or no, so if you didnt get a mail, it may still mean your map is among the top, just that it doesn't have an issue.
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question, do we need to make new overview pics etc or just sent in the update mapfiles again?
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On November 03 2011 00:06 lefix wrote:
question, do we need to make new overview pics etc or just sent in the update mapfiles again?
I did the whole thing over again, can't hurt I guess?
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your Country52797 Posts
On November 02 2011 15:36 Plexa wrote:
I have just sent out a PM to some people regarding their submissions. They have until 14:00 KST Friday to make minor modifications to their entries (such as adding geyers/minerals, small alterations to natural formations, +- rocks etc). If you have not received a PM it does not mean your map has been eliminated, it could mean that there was nothing needing to be fixed. All entrants are allowed to make minor adjustments to their entries until 14:00KST Friday for fairness. After all, this contest is about finding perfection!
How do we know which it is?
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On November 03 2011 06:47 TehTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 15:36 Plexa wrote:
I have just sent out a PM to some people regarding their submissions. They have until 14:00 KST Friday to make minor modifications to their entries (such as adding geyers/minerals, small alterations to natural formations, +- rocks etc). If you have not received a PM it does not mean your map has been eliminated, it could mean that there was nothing needing to be fixed. All entrants are allowed to make minor adjustments to their entries until 14:00KST Friday for fairness. After all, this contest is about finding perfection! How do we know which it is?
He says the map title above each change listed.
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•Mappers with maps which have been selected will have approximately a week (possibly less) to make final adjustments to their maps to fix any issues ,
so if we trust the rules you could know already who has the shot in their plans , or to say it more clear is closest to the judges goals .
just a little part of work for you.
judges have a mindset of how they define a perfect map that gets a shot.
Btw to the 1 unplayable map it is most problably mine , their minds arent ready yet to view the awesomeness of it !
- end shady rant
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I think you should have used more tact. It feels like a mix of favoritism and wasting mappers time. I don't see why it's so urgent that maps get the right number of minerals before they get judged. You could just ask the finalists to fix their maps before the tournament. I wonder if you also asked to fix maps that took 5 minutes to make, or just the ones that had a chance.
Lefix said he's fixed his map but I looked at his pictures and I don't see any problem with the amount of ressources. The way you say people are allowed to make adjustments because "this contest is about finding perfection" sounds like you'd already found it (even though I understand his maps deserve to be finalist).
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 03 2011 08:23 chuky500 wrote:
I think you should have used more tact. It feels like a mix of favoritism and wasting mappers time. I don't see why it's so urgent that maps get the right number of minerals before they get judged. You could just ask the finalists to fix their maps before the tournament. I wonder if you also asked to fix maps that took 5 minutes to make, or just the ones that had a chance.
Lefix said he's fixed his map but I looked at his pictures and I don't see any problem with the amount of ressources. The way you say people are allowed to make adjustments because "this contest is about finding perfection" sounds like you'd already found it (even though I understand his maps deserve to be finalist).
This is not the case. The maps haven't been submitted to the official judges yet. Due to the amount of entries I can't expect the judges to go through each map in significant detail without cutting some maps first. Me and two high level players went through the maps to decide on which ones should be passed on. We noticed a lot of entries had some issues that could be easily fixed that would stop them being outright dismissed when coming to the final judging. With that said, no one knows whether they're in the final selection or not - and if someone were to resubmit a map that we had previously cut, we would re-evaluate whether to send it on or not.
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On November 02 2011 23:05 Meltage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 22:19 HypertonicHydroponic wrote:On November 02 2011 15:36 Plexa wrote:
I have just sent out a PM to some people regarding their submissions. They have until 14:00 KST Friday to make minor modifications to their entries (such as adding geyers/minerals, small alterations to natural formations, +- rocks etc). If you have not received a PM it does not mean your map has been eliminated, it could mean that there was nothing needing to be fixed. All entrants are allowed to make minor adjustments to their entries until 14:00KST Friday for fairness. After all, this contest is about finding perfection! Just curious, were the people who recieved PM's those within the 30 to give them a fighting chance, or was it more for the people who look like they really have a good concept (top 10-15 material) but have something holding them back? The maps, not the people. We just got notes on suggestions to improve some of the maps. We don't know if the other maps made it or no, so if you didnt get a mail, it may still mean your map is among the top, just that it doesn't have an issue.
I'm sorry, I mangled that last post... I was trying to get out the door to work, and... anyway, what that *should* have read was:
Were the people who received PMs those people who submitted maps that were part of the 30 "still playable" maps to give those maps a fighting chance (i.e. leveling the playing field for all the maps), or were the people who received PMs those people who submitted one of the 120 high quality maps but had a particularly good design but just had a few things holding them back from being an automatic top 10-15 pick (i.e. perfecting the best of the best maps)?
In other words, I was trying to figure out whether not getting a PM was a good thing or a bad thing, since getting a PM seems like a good thing in either case. In the little time I can hop on TL at work, I noticed the flurry of map thread updates which I could only assume was a result of the PMs. Given that and the other "clues" (like Plexa's comment above) it seems like the latter, that the PMs were for the *good* maps, is more the case. While that doesn't *necessarily* mean anyone who didn't get a PM is out, it certainly seems like a bad thing not to have gotten one. Not saying that I didn't of course....... 0_o o_0 0_o o_0
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your Country52797 Posts
Did you hypotonic?
I think that the top 15-30 or so got PMs, along with those that have odd minerals/bugs/etc.
Since I didn't get one, I would assume that either my maps got disqualified due to no map file (oops !  ) or I'm either in the elite few (no way) or I'm not even close.
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I don't think it's particularly good or bad. It seems to me just a stage where we can deal with simple fixes to otherwise decent looking maps.
It does confirm that at least the maps mentioned in the PM survived the at-a-glance rounds, but I get the impression most maps have done that anyway, judging by Plexa's posts in the last couple pages.
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On November 02 2011 15:36 Plexa wrote:
All entrants are allowed to make minor adjustments to their entries until 14:00KST Friday for fairness. After all, this contest is about finding perfection!
I'll quote this from plexa just in case some ppl still think its favoritism. He's giving all of us time to make minor changes and fixes till the said time.
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For everyone who's not sure when that's gonna be in their timezone:
Friday, Nov 04 5:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
Also about the PM's, I don't think it's good or bad either. They're just trying to help us to submit the best possible maps, respectivly tell us what might help to convince the judges, which is an awesome thing imo.
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On November 03 2011 11:05 Zolstice wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 15:36 Plexa wrote:
All entrants are allowed to make minor adjustments to their entries until 14:00KST Friday for fairness. After all, this contest is about finding perfection! I'll quote this from plexa just in case some ppl still think its favoritism. He's giving all of us time to make minor changes and fixes till the said time.
I get that and I was not implying that there was favoritism so much as trying to get a read on the events that are occurring. I need to know how nervous I should be. :p [Edit] But if one didn't get a PM indicating what kind of perfecting changes to make, one might find it difficult to do what is necessary to make the cut one otherwise might not have made, no? [/Edit]
Also, I would be very interested to see the full list of 151 entries at some point -- I would have liked to have been able to playtest others' maps and given feedback during this competition but with my limited time was barely able to squeek out playtesting on my own maps.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 03 2011 10:19 TehTemplar wrote:Did you hypotonic? I think that the top 15-30 or so got PMs, along with those that have odd minerals/bugs/etc. Since I didn't get one, I would assume that either my maps got disqualified due to no map file (oops ! ) or I'm either in the elite few (no way) or I'm not even close.
Just maps with small fixes have been PMd. As I said, mostly a "rocks at gold" or "move geyser to other side of natural" changes. I wouldn't be able to tell you whether your maps have made it through as we (purposely) named the images by map and not author. It took me 10-15 minutes trawling through my inbox to get the names of the map authors who had maps which required minor tweaks!
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