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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 06 2011 12:48 Completley wrote: Whats preventing people simpy playing a lot of games, deleting their losses and then opening up client, so that it only sees wins. client has to be on for the games to count. | ||
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Loes
Canada115 Posts
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GrapeD
Canada679 Posts
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angrybacon
United States98 Posts
On July 06 2011 12:48 Completley wrote: Whats preventing people simpy playing a lot of games, deleting their losses and then opening up client, so that it only sees wins. The other person uploading the replay. On July 06 2011 13:17 GrapeD wrote: This looks awesome. My one concern is you seem to be using the replay files to determine the ladder? If thats the case why not use a custom map flag to tell the server the winner directly that way if the replay save screws up or something its straight from the game. There's nothing in the code AFAIK that lets me comm with an outside server. We also put all the replays that don't parse correctly into a folder for inspection. On July 06 2011 12:32 ObserverSix2One wrote: don't hype it up man - just don't do it. /hypingitup ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AX1I9.png) | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On July 06 2011 06:19 angrybacon wrote: First question, we hash the replay data into unique id's to prevent dupes. Oh, that's not good. Well, it's sufficient to prevent the very same game to be uploaded, it isn't enough to prevent replays from being spoofed. While it's impossible to completely protect this system... I think one which requires 2 people to both upload a game at the same time would work pretty well. (the issue with that is that you can have 2 people both simultaneously spoofing replays, but that is more complicated, and not common) Oh I just realized a way to not exploit the system (any more than how the innate mechanics of the ladder can be manipulated), but it's rather problematic with the hiding of stats of players without knowing their friend code. Anyway, it would involve looking at the game history of a player to verify that the game was played. | ||
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Magniris
Canada41 Posts
Thanks for making this, I'm sure it took a lot of effort, and it's very much appreciated. | ||
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angrybacon
United States98 Posts
On July 06 2011 13:46 Xapti wrote: Oh, that's not good. Well, it's sufficient to prevent the very same game to be uploaded, it isn't enough to prevent replays from being spoofed. While it's impossible to completely protect this system... I think one which requires 2 people to both upload a game at the same time would work pretty well. (the issue with that is that you can have 2 people both simultaneously spoofing replays, but that is more complicated, and not common) Oh I just realized a way to not exploit the system (any more than how the innate mechanics of the ladder can be manipulated), but it's rather problematic with the hiding of stats of players without knowing their friend code. Anyway, it would involve looking at the game history of a player to verify that the game was played. We also keep replays so we can watch / ban people we think are cheating. | ||
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ObserverSix2One
Israel115 Posts
On July 06 2011 14:05 angrybacon wrote: We also keep replays so we can watch / ban people we think are cheating. Personally I couldn't care less about the ladder points, the things I care about are being able to choose my opponent, play the match up that I want to play, not being forced to play mirror which IMO is completely boring, being able to challenge a rematch. I think all of those things are much more important than the ladder points, and add much more fun to the game. let's assume someone does manage to hack the system and gets tons of points, do you really care? I don't, I still have all of the other features which make the game 100% more fun then playing the normal ladder. [I don't really have NTBL yet, I assume based on what guys said on the forum.] Actually I really don't understand why people in EU don't just log into the channel and play themselves. =/ Meh, | ||
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GhettoSheep
United States150 Posts
On July 06 2011 17:59 ObserverSix2One wrote: Personally I couldn't care less about the ladder points, the things I care about are being able to choose my opponent, play the match up that I want to play, not being forced to play mirror which IMO is completely boring, being able to challenge a rematch. I think all of those things are much more important than the ladder points, and add much more fun to the game. let's assume someone does manage to hack the system and gets tons of points, do you really care? I don't, I still have all of the other features which make the game 100% more fun then playing the normal ladder. [I don't really have NTBL yet, I assume based on what guys said on the forum.] Actually I really don't understand why people in EU don't just log into the channel and play themselves. =/ Meh, This. Seriously, who cares if some loser wants to spend the time to hack the system for literally no benefit. This isnt about rank, its about choosing your opponent and maps, GOOD MAPS. I literally dont give a !@#$ if some guy wants to make a bunch of fake replays so he can pretend he's A+ or something lol. I also don't think anybody would do it unless this became the main ladder everyone uses, including pros, and we aren't there yet. Basically there are more important things to focus on right now than preventing hackers from gaming the system, like matchmaking or something. Has there even been an incident of someone submitting a fake replay? seriously, its not an issue right now. | ||
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derive
France31 Posts
It may not be a priority right now, but they probably have to at least lay down a solid base for it. It's quite hard to make an application without caring about security and then implementing a total system while the application is in full use. So it's probably a good way to work on it now, they do have to find a balance between what is needed and what could be done later, but laying some solid, easily extensible, security bases seems necessary. Good work, Btw  . | ||
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getSome[703]
United States753 Posts
Maybe request a spotlight on TL? | ||
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jackalope1234
122 Posts
On July 06 2011 13:25 angrybacon wrote: The other person uploading the replay. There's nothing in the code AFAIK that lets me comm with an outside server. We also put all the replays that don't parse correctly into a folder for inspection. /hypingitup Once this becomes a reality I have no trouble seeing this overtake the blizzard ladder for more serious players who actually want tournament practice. Just gotta get the people playing it. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 07 2011 01:15 jackalope1234 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2011 13:25 angrybacon wrote: The other person uploading the replay. There's nothing in the code AFAIK that lets me comm with an outside server. We also put all the replays that don't parse correctly into a folder for inspection. /hypingitup Once this becomes a reality I have no trouble seeing this overtake the blizzard ladder for more serious players who actually want tournament practice. Just gotta get the people playing it. This is what I am hoping for. I really do hope all players playing competitively switch to this. Would be like iccup again :D | ||
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angrybacon
United States98 Posts
On July 07 2011 07:07 blade55555 wrote: This is what I am hoping for. I really do hope all players playing competitively switch to this. Would be like iccup again :D That's not concept art. | ||
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Akzever
Canada94 Posts
Thats looking fucking awesome! What sort of Release schedule are you going for? | ||
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CreativeAlias
United States49 Posts
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`Winter
United Kingdom19 Posts
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Yosho
585 Posts
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-Jacob-
358 Posts
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/8/helpwi.png/ is the msg I'm getting. | ||
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Deleted_143
Australia256 Posts
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