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djWHEAT
United States925 Posts
I think this is broken as hell. It has to either be fixed or cost at least $500 minerals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXfA-c74w9U + Show Spoiler + Basically... if you have 250 Energy, you can right-click on an enemies unit and "Mind Control" it indefinitely. That's cheaper than a storm, cheaper than a Tank, Immo, Colo, Ultra. It has no place in the game. Not to mention since you cannot control who your units fire at, you can mess up your stream of units by stealing aggro. | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Moved to custom maps though...'cuase that's what it is >.> Sorry DJwheat | ||
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dsperg
United States37 Posts
off topic: I have the same glasses, I applaud your good taste. | ||
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Moa
United States790 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
This completely changes the game haha this must be some kind of testing thing they had in for internal testing purposes and forgot to take out or something... there's no way haha | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
Thanks for sharing! | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
The Enemy spends 500 energy on a unit, you spend 250 to not only get a 500 energy unit but also taking it away from your opponent. So basically you can spend 250 energy to get 1000 [+500 and -(-500)], just right-clicking to get a net 750 energy. nice blizzard. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
Hopefully, we'll have a ton of fun with this trick before it gets patched out haha. | ||
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djWHEAT
United States925 Posts
On February 07 2011 14:27 GHOSTCLAW wrote: just saw this, very very cool. + Show Spoiler + Moved to custom maps though...'cuase that's what it is >.> Sorry DJwheat Actually after I posted I realised it propably belonged here anyway!! | ||
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dsperg
United States37 Posts
Anybody else find this? | ||
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nataziel
Australia1455 Posts
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Arcanewinds
United Kingdom197 Posts
On February 07 2011 14:38 dsperg wrote: Actually, I've noticed that this only lasts for a short period ~10s or so and then they return to the opposing side. Anybody else find this? So... Like an invisible neural parasite? | ||
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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djWHEAT
United States925 Posts
On February 07 2011 14:38 dsperg wrote: Actually, I've noticed that this only lasts for a short period ~10s or so and then they return to the opposing side. Anybody else find this? I guess further testing would be required. Usually we would "Mind Control" units to interrupt their flow and this would cause their quick demise. In the few games we had played it seemed indefinite, but I would say that's absolute. | ||
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inf3rnus
United States28 Posts
EDIT: energy gets spent correctly if you summon a unit or use a spell | ||
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AssuredVacancy
United States1167 Posts
On February 07 2011 14:43 InToTheWannaB wrote: Thats a shame. I was playing this ums for the first time today and really enjoyed it. I hope they fix it fast. Then again if everyone knows about it it could lead to some intresting game play. Like people spending there energy on lower cost units like zealots or roachs that cost less then 250 energy. Still why even have the higher tech units in the game if u can never use them. The problem is that right now the spell costs no mana | ||
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dsperg
United States37 Posts
This is an interesting bug. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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Makica
Canada180 Posts
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
Also, you never posted about the foxer collage you made for your wife :O | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On February 07 2011 14:53 AssuredVacancy wrote: The problem is that right now the spell costs no mana Actually, I think it does cost 250 energy, but because it is a highly bugged/hidden spell, it doesn't update the energy bar whenever you use the spell. Building a unit or using a legitimate spell usually will set the energy bar to its correct value, so I often build a single zealot after every mind control just to check up on my remaining energy. | ||
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Rentar
Singapore7 Posts
2v1 is tiring. | ||
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Babaganoush
United States626 Posts
 Also the spell virtually costs 0 energy but you still need at least 250 energy per mind control. For example, if you're at 1000 energy, you can mind control four guys for 10 seconds. In order to mind control another four at 1000 energy, all you have to do is make ONE chain and you can MC another four. I MCd about 12 marines at one time. I hope they fix this fast. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
I find the game already broken without that bug. It takes like 15 minutes per round on average with similar skilled players, so in a bo5 you can be playing for close to an hour. At the end of every game I feel like I just got RSI. I think marines are too strong and need a nerf, so your hero units have more of an impact on the game. | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
On February 07 2011 15:20 Makica wrote: It should be called "possession" , after the banshee technique from Warcraft 3. Or it could be called "mind control", after the darchon ability from Brood War. | ||
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SlapMySalami
United States1060 Posts
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virusak
Czech Republic344 Posts
On February 07 2011 17:51 SlapMySalami wrote: maybe they did it for competition? instead of clicking them jewels all the time you have to fight for posession over the armies no one would build any units more expensice than 250 then.... | ||
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tuestresfat
2555 Posts
i love this game please remove it blizzard | ||
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StUfF
Australia1437 Posts
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
 knew about it aswell with a missclick sometime. | ||
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Chicken Chaser
United States533 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
Thanks for the heads up. | ||
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CruisEric
35 Posts
eventually this games come down to who can steal 4 marines at a time faster, cos no ones gonna be building any units at all anymore. | ||
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djWHEAT
United States925 Posts
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jnkw
Canada347 Posts
On February 07 2011 23:51 djWHEAT wrote: I woke up with a ton of hatemail. I don't blame them... I was pissed when I found out about this too. Unfortunately the quickest route to a fix, is by letting the world know and completely breaking the game. I LOVE this mod, it's awesome that I can play it with my wife. I want it back. I kind of hope the StarJeweled population plummets so this can get resolved. And it must have a good population because we never waited more than 3 seconds for a game on BNET. You did the right thing by pointing out the bug. Whoever is sending you hatemail is just failing to see your true intention of helping to get this resolved asap. I can't believe people are so vengeful... | ||
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
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inimenesc
Estonia374 Posts
The game is broken ofc, i tried it, got called a cheater :/ | ||
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Relhak
United States24 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
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LOLDOZER
Russian Federation24 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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kaisr
Canada715 Posts
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PowerDes
United States520 Posts
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SirDuke
United States239 Posts
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
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Rho_
United States971 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
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Playguuu
United States926 Posts
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MinoMino
Norway1103 Posts
On February 08 2011 06:32 Rho_ wrote: Ya, I don't think it necessarily is broken because it exists, but more because it's hidden knowledge. You get to the point where you can't spawn any units or it'll hurt you more than benefit you. So, since no one's spawning any units, you can just mind control the marines, and nothing ever makes it through the middle. It completely breaks the game. | ||
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Kokujin
United States456 Posts
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lindn
Sweden833 Posts
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Robqxz
Germany78 Posts
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
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loving it
Canada271 Posts
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
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s2pid_loser
United States699 Posts
thanks for posting this | ||
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djWHEAT
United States925 Posts
On February 08 2011 09:01 Robqxz wrote: Maybe it wasn't exactly the best idea to go to a forum and post this stuff. Instead contacting Blizzard would've made more sense somehow. :/ It was going to spread one way or another. All I did was accelerate the process... At least now everyone knows about it and it will have to be fixed in some capacity. Blizzard was contacted and let's hope they can snuff this out pretty quickly. | ||
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xiaofan
United States513 Posts
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Rhombus
United States187 Posts
The "counter" to large units is the prison spell. It's not efficient to use it on small units, but on colossi, ultras, and maybe even tank/immos, it is. Even if the MC cost 250 energy as it seems like it's supposed to, it would hugely impact the decision to make larger units - 250 isn't much more than the 150 the prison spell costs, and it pretty much kills the unit instantly/allows you to kill other units. edit: I really like this game though. Oh man. Until this MC thing hit, I've been playing pretty much nonstop. Now it's not entirely fun, I start each game wondering if we'll be MCing or not, and my BO (yup, a BO) is thrown off :-\ | ||
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Brunix
United States16 Posts
If the game ever gets to the low tier only mode the most effective thing to do is try and mind control a unit in a clump (when they mass one unit) and then storm. The other units will have to stop and attack, leaving them stationary and stormable. The only other thing you can do is try to match gems as fast as you can and outmacro your opponents. | ||
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jeebuzzx
Canada365 Posts
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Robqxz
Germany78 Posts
On February 08 2011 11:43 djWHEAT wrote: It was going to spread one way or another. All I did was accelerate the process... At least now everyone knows about it and it will have to be fixed in some capacity. Blizzard was contacted and let's hope they can snuff this out pretty quickly. Yeah, I totally understand where you're coming from - just saying, maybe it ruined more people's games than would've been necessary. I mean, it's a beta after all, it's not like Blizzard wouldn't have it fixed in due time anyway, if they got to know. I agree with what Brunix said though - when both sides know of it, the games can be somewhat entertaining. | ||
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jeebuzzx
Canada365 Posts
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
It's especially powerful against players who spam the more expensive units (immortals, colosus, ultras, etc) I've seen players do the powerful 3 immortal + heal push, but if you mind control them 1 at a time, they kill each other before the player can mind control them back or heal them | ||
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MuTT
United States398 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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TheDominator
New Zealand336 Posts
I dont get it. Or is it there on purpose but is just really OP? | ||
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Mephs
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
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DoomGuy
United Kingdom44 Posts
On February 08 2011 16:16 MuTT wrote: They adding something like this in the ladder. It is called Terran LOL HAHAHAHA SO FUNNY AND ORIGINAL COMPARING SOMETHING OP TO TERRAN, NEVER HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE. HAHAHAHA : P | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
On February 08 2011 17:47 Chicane wrote: It could actually be a good spell if it simply cost 110% of the units cost or something like that, or was cheaper but had a relatively long cooldown. the cost and speed with which it can be used is actually fine, because it becomes this weird tactical tic tac toe thing where you can't just get a super unit as soon as you have 500, you need 750 or more. So you have to counter their mindcontrol, and then maybe try and counter another counter.. eh, if you know what I mean. And at the same time you're trying to do the same to them. It's actually quite fun when both teams know how to use it. You have to scroll up and down the map quite a lot and keep an eye on things - I think it's great - it adds a whole new dimension to the game. The reason I think this truely is a bug though, is because it doesn't seem to use 250 energy, at least not all the time - you just need to have 250. I think this was supposed to be a feature in the map at some point, but for some reason it was removed, just not entirely. It's also a little buggy at times. I just hope the mapmaker embraces it and puts it in the game for real. | ||
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Ajunta
Germany522 Posts
thanks for sharing! playing now makes me feel like a superhero, everybody goes like "omg what's that ? is it a plane ? is it a bird ? NO! It's mind control" | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
On February 08 2011 17:54 DoomGuy wrote: HAHAHAHA SO FUNNY AND ORIGINAL COMPARING SOMETHING OP TO TERRAN, NEVER HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE. HAHAHAHA : P hahahahahaahah funny stuff! yeah ur right, something its broken... XD | ||
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inimenesc
Estonia374 Posts
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AzarIntrets
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WindOw
Sweden407 Posts
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AzarIntrets
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YourMom
Romania565 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On February 08 2011 18:50 Quotidian wrote: the cost and speed with which it can be used is actually fine, because it becomes this weird tactical tic tac toe thing where you can't just get a super unit as soon as you have 500, you need 750 or more. So you have to counter their mindcontrol, and then maybe try and counter another counter.. eh, if you know what I mean. And at the same time you're trying to do the same to them. It's actually quite fun when both teams know how to use it. You have to scroll up and down the map quite a lot and keep an eye on things - I think it's great - it adds a whole new dimension to the game. The reason I think this truely is a bug though, is because it doesn't seem to use 250 energy, at least not all the time - you just need to have 250. I think this was supposed to be a feature in the map at some point, but for some reason it was removed, just not entirely. It's also a little buggy at times. I just hope the mapmaker embraces it and puts it in the game for real. Well I know what you are talking about but I disagree. Spending that much time to constantly watch your units takes away from getting more energy so you are better off getting tanks and banshees at the most. Also, if they mind control it and it takes you 2 seconds to notice and click on it especially if you have one already fighting and one that just spawned and you can't watch them both, then they already benefit because it took a noticeable amount of damage. If they mind controlled it between your cannons, then the cannons take damage as well as your collosi, even if you react within a second. If they mind controlled it by your units, well then it does a reasonable amount of damage to your own units (and likely took plenty of damage as well) and again... it is not worth if for you even if you get it back relatively quickly. Trust me, spamming tanks and stealing collosi is a huge advantage, because even if you are so fast that you can steal it back before it attacks once, then you aren't focusing on getting more jewels matched up. Also, if they have 500 or even 750 energy when you send one out because they are simply waiting to mind control, then you are boned and spent 750 energy on a collosi that is now killing your own units. Your plan just doesn't make logical sense. | ||
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crpeh
Sweden15 Posts
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DoomGuy
United Kingdom44 Posts
On February 09 2011 00:06 No_eL wrote: hahahahahaahah funny stuff! yeah ur right, something its broken... XD : P But yeah, that ability sounds OP as hell. I gotta agree with whoever said that it should cost 110% of the unit you're MCing. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On February 09 2011 05:30 DoomGuy wrote: : P But yeah, that ability sounds OP as hell. I gotta agree with whoever said that it should cost 110% of the unit you're MCing. Shouldn't it be 150% of the unit you are stealing? Because not only the reinforcement flow is broken, you also get their unit. Because if you would have spawned a ultralisk, and they spawn a ultralisk then both ultralisk will die. But NOW you have a ultralisk and they haven't. Which is more than 110% better. EDIT: Actually it should just be 200%. Because simple math says, If you spawn 2 ultrlisk and they spawn 1 ultrlisk then you will have 1 ultralisk left and they 0. Same shit when you steal a unit, they spawn a ultralisk and then you steal it so you have 1 ultralisk and they have 0. (Ultras do splash but w/e, you get the point) And then I am not counting the reinforcement line being broken. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
If you get 1000 energy, your mind control won't burn energy. After 4 units you can't cast until you make 1 match, though. Still, in essence, get to 1k, mind control 4 units, make 1 match, repeat. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On February 09 2011 07:44 Koshi wrote: Shouldn't it be 150% of the unit you are stealing? Because not only the reinforcement flow is broken, you also get their unit. Because if you would have spawned a ultralisk, and they spawn a ultralisk then both ultralisk will die. But NOW you have a ultralisk and they haven't. Which is more than 110% better. EDIT: Actually it should just be 200%. Because simple math says, If you spawn 2 ultrlisk and they spawn 1 ultrlisk then you will have 1 ultralisk left and they 0. Same shit when you steal a unit, they spawn a ultralisk and then you steal it so you have 1 ultralisk and they have 0. (Ultras do splash but w/e, you get the point) And then I am not counting the reinforcement line being broken. Ya you're right.. I didn't think it through but my point got across. It should cost more than it is worth (when compared to simply spawning one) but if you time it well, the extra cost will make it worth it. | ||
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Retgery
Canada1229 Posts
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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mtomato
Finland3 Posts
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azn_dude1
162 Posts
On February 09 2011 11:05 mtomato wrote: Blizzard has replied: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1622862974?page=4#74 Well that's good. People are still going to keep using it in games though. It's only fair when all 4 people know how to do it. Side note: I love how people in that thread are complaining about imbalance. I think StarJeweled is pretty balanced. Everything has its counter. | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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LetoAtreides82
United States1188 Posts
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jeebuzzx
Canada365 Posts
On February 10 2011 14:01 LetoAtreides82 wrote: This has been patched today, you can no longer mind control units. sweet time to play some starjeweled as it was intended | ||
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
On February 10 2011 14:01 LetoAtreides82 wrote: This has been patched today, you can no longer mind control units. Any balance changes? | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
Nerf Skulls! | ||
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