EPTMap of the month competition - Page 3
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FlopTurnReaver
Switzerland1980 Posts
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elkram
United States221 Posts
On November 19 2010 04:24 Samro225am wrote: although I also have the impression that there are some people who scream for more (easy) attention (for their maps) and who might not be into a really competitive competition, I want to ask you to contribute! TL won't do anything. there you are completely right. but I want to add: unless there are some good ideas that are actually possible. I do not want to leave the idea of a map of the month to try that might fail. lets try to take some control by listing possible options: 1.patron to oversee the competition and support: TL staff or someone who is well known in the community. there is no other option.this person or these persons are responsible for it. so if this project should have a chance to come to being: his is the first and most important point. also there should be a tourney featuring the winner or the three best maps. 2.who can take part: or why are we interested: everybody want to get recognition, playtime, replays and a win. you get the win, when your map is the best map in the competition. A) everybody should be able to propose his map B) no iccup C) no euros...  (seriously the broader the spectrum, the higher the competition and the better the win)> no option here in my opinion. 3.what kind of maps: A) melee B) custom C) melee + custom D) specific mode (e.g. 1v1, 2v2,...) 4.restrictions on number maps: A) map produced in a specific time B) one map per mapmaker C) any number of maps D) x maps 5.how many times can a map be contributed: A) when produced (see 4A) B) once C) twice D) until it takes the win 6. who decides on the winner: A) community vote B) jury C) TL staff D) famous mapper as a representative of mappers ('vote for your judge') E) tourney.organizer F) last month's winner G) any combination of above mentioned what else is important? 1) not really an option, but I like what the post above me said, where you have 3-4 judges deciding finalists for all of TL to vote on, which seems to be kind of what you are saying. 2) I'm voting for A 3) A 4) B (don't want to have a flood of maps from one guy) 5) D 6) A I think the voting process is most important to get the specifics for. If you don't work that out, then it is just making up stuff as you go along and we have a whole mess of a competition. | ||
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Samro225am
Germany982 Posts
I think a pre-vote from the community will do it to have 'MotM promotions' - and then a group of judges picks the winner. pseudo-objective legitimating never works on such a subjective topic like a map. edit: @ elkram: I did not mean to have a poll this thread but collect all options. | ||
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elkram
United States221 Posts
On November 19 2010 06:24 Samro225am wrote: @boomstevo: I am with you on many points, but FlopTurnReaver is riht with the workload. I think a pre-vote from the community will do it to have 'MotM promotions' - and then a group of judges picks the winner. pseudo-objective legitimating never works on such a subjective topic like a map. edit: @ elkram: I did not mean to have a polli this thread but collect all options. Sorry I just see letters next to numbers and I think to myself "multiple choice section." Habits from middle and high school, as well as college. | ||
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dezi
Germany1536 Posts
On November 19 2010 04:24 Samro225am wrote: although I also have the impression that there are some people who scream for more (easy) attention (for their maps) and who might not be into a really competitive competition, I want to ask you to contribute! TL won't do anything. there you are completely right. but I want to add: unless there are some good ideas that are actually possible. I do not want to leave the idea of a map of the month to try that might fail. lets try to take some control by listing possible options: 1.patron to oversee the competition and support: TL staff or someone who is well known in the community. there is no other option.this person or these persons are responsible for it. so if this project should have a chance to come to being: his is the first and most important point. also there should be a tourney featuring the winner or the three best maps. 2.who can take part: or why are we interested: everybody want to get recognition, playtime, replays and a win. you get the win, when your map is the best map in the competition. A) everybody should be able to propose his map B) no iccup C) no euros... (seriously the broader the spectrum, the higher the competition and the better the win)> no option here in my opinion. 3.what kind of maps: A) melee B) custom C) melee + custom D) specific mode (e.g. 1v1, 2v2,...) 4.restrictions on number maps: A) map produced in a specific time B) one map per mapmaker C) any number of maps D) x maps 5.how many times can a map be contributed: A) when produced (see 4A) B) once C) twice D) until it takes the win 6. who decides on the winner: A) community vote B) jury C) TL staff D) famous mapper as a representative of mappers ('vote for your judge') E) tourney.organizer F) last month's winner G) any combination of above mentioned what else is important? 2 a 3 a 4 b 5 d (but i dont think a map that has been sent in will have a chance the next month but maybe 6 months later) 6 g (c+d = b) | ||
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Koagel
Austria167 Posts
3a 4b 5b 6 is kinda hard, although e and f would be stupid. Maybe a community vote and a jury then decides between the top three? (I like the concept of involving the community in the contest, as it may get more people interested in it) | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19208 Posts
Regardless, I don't really see this doing much for promoting maps without some backing by high level players to decide the winner, or some kind of featured status with TL (obviously both is preferable). | ||
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dezi
Germany1536 Posts
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
3a 4b 5d 6g | ||
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Samro225am
Germany982 Posts
On November 19 2010 07:09 tofucake wrote: Samro's post confuses me. The contest is about finding the best maps, and yet he proposes no ICCup team and no Euro....and states something about having a broader spectrum? Regardless, I don't really see this doing much for promoting maps without some backing by high level players to decide the winner, or some kind of featured status with TL (obviously both is preferable). just to make it really clear: I suggest not to have any limitations. I added an ironic 'no euros' to make it clear that any restrictions like 'no iicup' does not make any sense to me. and btw: a) b) c) are like options I picked up from several posts and do not represent my own ideas on this topic. | ||
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Imperfect1987
United States558 Posts
3a 4d : Limit 2 maps per month. It will ensure that no mapmakers flood entries but have a bit of flexibility with deciding entries. 5d 6g : I like Koagel's idea for this. I think a community vote for what maps make it into the final 3. Then from there a jury decides the winner. I think the jury should be a small group of people that are elected by the community (though this may be too complicated). If the above g is too complicated of a process I will go with 6a instead. | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
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funcmode
Australia720 Posts
The only downside of this is of course, you can't personally publicise maps that you want to enter in the contest. On November 19 2010 07:28 WniO wrote: can i just ask the OP if we can have original maps only? no remakes. Personally I think it should be original maps only, there's hardly any talent in remaking BW maps imo. | ||
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BoomStevo
United States332 Posts
On November 19 2010 04:24 Samro225am wrote: 5.how many times can a map be contributed: A) when produced (see 4A) B) once C) twice D) until it takes the win For me, I think that a map should be only contributed once, with a stipulation. You can only submit a map once, and if it loses, then you can change the map and resubmit it. But there must be something different about it for it to be considered. Honestly, if it didn't win then it probably isn't going to win the next one. Hopefully the makers of the losing maps will at least get some feedback which will allow them to improve it for the next competition. On November 19 2010 06:19 FlopTurnReaver wrote: Haha yeah please a ton of work for the judges, that should motivate people to volunteer. I'd volunteer, but I don't think I'm qualified enough for the position (and it would mean I couldn't participate). | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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elkram
United States221 Posts
 no more voting for question 3 We're making progress. | ||
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BoomStevo
United States332 Posts
On November 19 2010 07:37 funcmode wrote: Everybody of course should be allowed to enter, but as I said in my post on the previous page the maps should be completely anonymous. Maps with known affiliations or associations will lead to biased votes. The only downside of this is of course, you can't personally publicise maps that you want to enter in the contest. Personally I think it should be original maps only, there's hardly any talent in remaking BW maps imo. Well, as I suggested before, if we had criteria for scoring maps it would make judging better and easier. For example you would have different categories such as: balance, viability, creativity/innovation/originality, aesthetics, etc. Each category would would only be allowed a certain number of points. Therefore, if you submit a remake, then they will score very low in the originality category, making it difficult to win. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On November 19 2010 07:37 funcmode wrote: Everybody of course should be allowed to enter, but as I said in my post on the previous page the maps should be completely anonymous. Maps with known affiliations or associations will lead to biased votes. The only downside of this is of course, you can't personally publicise maps that you want to enter in the contest. Personally I think it should be original maps only, there's hardly any talent in remaking BW maps imo. id assumed it was a given, but ill add it to the OP at this rate, the example map i posted wins by default.. | ||
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LoLIsh
United States81 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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