[UMS] Zillion Zerglings - Page 5

On November 24 2010 23:24 Monxy wrote:
Oh, and there's one thing I'd really like to know, what is the math sequence for "How many lings there will be in x round?"

On November 24 2010 23:26 Vanished131 wrote:
If you would pay attention to the original post, you would know these things.

On November 25 2010 05:35 Neokarasu wrote:
A couple of things:

1. Timer shouldn't start until you pick your talents. It's dumb that you have be lightning fast to pick Mineral Man/Eco/Gas if you want to get the full benefit of the talent. Also helps the newbies.

2. Talent description can use a bit more detail. Only Greedy gives you the full description (400 min) while everything else uses some vague description (like Savvy Samaritan. How much min do you get exactly per civ, etc.)

3. I don't expect this to change but not getting refund on building death sucks. Sometimes the lings path "correctly" and funnel into the 1 gap choke I made but other times they just kill my depot wall. Not cool.
Maybe if you can make sure they path correctly it won't suck as bad.

4. Since the game is basically about resource management, it would be cool if you can trade gas -> min and vice versa w/ your SCV. Make it like 2 gas -> 1 min and 2 min -> 1 gas. Basically some build (bluehel, Tank, etc.) requires the heavy gas early but you really can't use the amount of gas Eco/Gas Hog gives you without equivalent amount of mins.

5. Last but not least, I would love player scaling. Obviously this is a team game but some people (like me) like to play solo. This is obviously really hard given that 1 player income is nowhere near 7 player's. So any kinda of scaling to support smaller group is good.

On November 25 2010 06:01 Qw4z1 wrote:
Updated version is now online on EU. Enjoy and sorry for the delay.

On November 25 2010 10:45 Faranth wrote:


I realize that this map is entirely your undertaking, and thus all efforts and decisions are ultimately yours.

However, the vitriolic tone you've taken towards legitimate criticisms is simply disgusting. Why bother posting a forum thread about your map if you are simply going to thoughtlessly dismiss what the players have to say?

"Write me the descriptions then?" Is it not the very point of Neokarasu that we don't precisely understand the benefit of the talent? Expecting us to then describe it is simply absurdity. How much effort does it take to explain that "You will gain X number of minerals per civilian saved per round"? A simple quantification helps massively in determining a strategy... yet you seem to overlook this while simultaneously criticizing Neokarasu on the grounds of needing "strategy".

I don't read such an intensely angst-ridden tone from Neokarasu's post, yet your response is nothing short of vicious. For the third criticism, you could at least explain that the design is intentional - sometimes they will attack the wall, other times they will not - but your best is, "Cry?"

Disappointing. If you're going to look for the community for advice (which you do by opening the thread, even if you do not explicitly ask for critique), I would encourage you to respond in a mature and thoughtful manner regardless of what the critique says. Our goals are mutual in developing an enjoyable experience.

On November 25 2010 03:18 Monxy wrote:


Oh, I was so dumb I was trying to find some more complicated ways. It's in fact so easy...
If anyone wants to know what it is then:
a+b=c
a - last level
b - current level
c - next level

On November 25 2010 12:15 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


i mentioned it was the Fibonacci sequence on page 2...

On November 25 2010 17:02 yoeri wrote:
Played a fair number of games on the european servers with a few friends of mine and we realy like this map. We mostly wall in 2 of us go planetary fortress and the others are going full marine.
now those who go full marine have allot of gass but are unable to trade it with the other players.
Maybe trade can be enabled?

And furthermore the waves where the enemy spawn burowed around your base bugs a bit. The planetary fortresses and marine's kill the lings before they have a chance to fully unburrow. When this hapens the kill counter won't go up. At the moment it seems you have to move your units out to gain kills. Maybe this is fixable?

But other then that we love your map!

On November 26 2010 01:07 Neokarasu wrote:
Easy there champ, don't want to break a leg getting off the high horse.

Some follow-up:

1. It's more than a couple of seconds really. Say you're a new player playing this map. I would imagine you would take a good 10 seconds reading each talent description. That's lost mineral generation time for Mineral/Eco build which is vital since again, this game is all about resource management. It might not make a big deal for experienced players but I don't see any negative side effect from delaying the timer (and therefore mineral generation) until a talent is picked.

2. If you tell me exactly what they do, I'd love to type out the description. But as pointed out, I don't even know exactly what they do. Greedy has such a succinct description: "400 minerals, no question asked". Why shouldn't every other talent be given a bit more specificity?

3. I'll actually retract this statement. I was only basing it on earlier observations but after testing it out, buildings do get refunded. I guess the game is generally over when they breach any wall so mostly frustrated at the pathing.

4. I like strategy. Resource management is strategy. However since I don't play in bigger teams, I can't comment on that team dynamic. What I know is minerals is the limiting factor in this map and the talents that don't boost mineral seems subpar compared to one that does. An additional method to manage resources would add another layer to the game and option is always fun (IMO).

5. I know you added some player scaling. In fact, I've played through many iterations of this map and know that you start out w/ more resources now than before. However, I also know that there's only so far you can go in the game before solo resource generation is simply not enough to keep playing. What I was asking is for the resource generation to scale.
Now if you don't intend the game to be soloable then that's fine. Just say "don't solo it" and I won't try. However, adjusting the starting resource without tweaking the long-term resource generation and calling that "scaling" is hardly enough.

p.s. I said 7 because that's the number next to the map name. Since I play solo and never bothered to actually count or stop to think about the map slots, I typed out 7

On November 26 2010 02:36 yoeri wrote:
@Vanished131

A friend of mine has saved a replay of it, i will see him tomorow ill upload the replay then.