[UMS] Zillion Zerglings

On November 13 2010 09:23 never_toss wrote:
terran with planetary fortress beats this easy

On November 15 2010 22:44 Chewits wrote:
Please upload to Euro.

On November 18 2010 01:29 Vanished131 wrote:
Until I figure out a better way to force zerglings to attack harvestors, they will be set on offensive.

There is a problem with uploading this to Eu, I am constantly updating this. And you guys would never have the latest version.

On November 18 2010 02:18 Vanished131 wrote:
I plan to add a menu to purchase certain things (such as extending the timer) at a later date.

The difficulty is already adjusted for the number of players.
I will curve the difficulty slightly more for solo or duo.

What kind of terrain?

On November 18 2010 02:33 Vanished131 wrote:
There are no corners in the map. Building slight off center is probably the best way to go.

On November 18 2010 02:43 Vanished131 wrote:
I never really meant people to solo the game. It's more a teamwork game. But it is quite fun seeing how far you can get, I think one player said they made it to level 4 or 5?

I don't see a need for a tutorial level, most of the people I've introduced the map to have figured it out real quick.

If anyone cared to know, the levels go like so:

100
200
300
500 (Level 4)
800 (Level 5)
1300
2100
3400
5500
8900 (Level 10)
. . .
1,094,600 (Level 22)
. . .
777,874,204,900 (Level 49)
. . .
35,422,484,817,926,191,507,500 (Level 100)

That is that level 100 is 35 sextillion, 422 quintillion, 484 quadrillion, 817 trillion, 926 billion, 191 million, 507 thousand, 500 zerglings.

On November 17 2010 08:03 Vanished131 wrote:
I believe you need a Europe client to publish it to Europe.

On November 18 2010 07:07 Chewits wrote:


Yes. I am willing to upload. Do you have a thread on sc2mapster or anything?

On November 20 2010 04:42 Sufficiency wrote:
Oh, one more thing.

Would you consider allowing more races? i.e. let the player to choose between T or P?

On November 20 2010 10:59 Vanished131 wrote:


All players can select between all three races at the beginning. It's always been like that.

On November 20 2010 23:39 Tripal wrote:
When will this be up on EU?

On November 21 2010 07:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Before I forgot to add, awesome terrain =)

On November 13 2010 08:30 Vanished131 wrote:
And no... lifted buildings will not save you from the defeat triggers.

On November 21 2010 16:04 CortoMontez wrote:


This should be implemented for ladder matches also

On topic, have you tested the higher levels for the lag it would produce?

On November 22 2010 06:34 Proto_Protoss wrote:
I wonder if my poor little laptop could handle 100,000 zerglings before i lag out hahaha but im going to give this a try later. Reminds me of starship troopers BUGS!

On November 21 2010 20:43 PlaGuE_R wrote:
zerglings just walk through the wall in in level 1....as P and T

On November 22 2010 06:30 exKid wrote:
Did a quick search, couldnt see this reported. One person kept blowing up with weird messages in our games. I think the splash from his tanks is getting him marked at a TK'er ?!

On November 22 2010 08:02 StUfF wrote:
Tanks are the only unit in the game that do friendly splash I think.

On November 22 2010 07:52 Vanished131 wrote:


If someone else can vouch that this occurs, I will investigate and fix immediately.

Sufficiency,

4,000 zerglings is accumulated in the middle of the 8th level.

Since you can skip the wait timer, this should take little more than 7 minutes. I don't think you really played the latest version. If you did, could you comment on what I could improve to make it more fun?

On November 22 2010 23:05 Sufficiency wrote:


I am not sure how it could be made more fun. I mean, every single level is pretty uniform, for better or worse - you just get more Zerglings. You also get a very small amount of mineral (even after using a mineral-friendly personality) so there are few changes after each round except adding a couple of more Hellions. In fact, the only thing I felt was strategic was to get the upgrades for the Hellions.

If the game allows spawning of other units, say Zealots, then it should be called Zillion Zealots instead! And that should be a different map!

The only thing left to consider, probably, is to make the Zerglings receive attack/defense upgrades instead of spawning more of them. Theoretically, this should be the game just as difficult, but with a lot less waiting. I am not really sure about this, though, because it seems to go against the essence of your map.

On November 23 2010 12:10 JakeDaSnake wrote:
This is little werid to me. I wall in and zerglings just spawn in the middle and just overwhlem me in seconds...

On November 23 2010 07:10 Vanished131 wrote:


Thank you for proving you haven't played the game. Zerglings do recieve upgrades.

I adjusted the rate at which minerals are recieved. Everyone also recieves a constant 25 gas every round.

On November 23 2010 21:57 Sufficiency wrote:


Yea, that's what you said about being able to choose any race you want, as well.

On November 24 2010 06:05 Wheazel wrote:
Played this map on the EU server to 105000 kills (3hours approx) Then went to school and came back 5hours later and i wasn't in the game anymore. Probably dead. However, the zerglings got no upgrades during the time I played, and I basically came to a point where nothing took any damage.

The overlord drop waves were the most painful as they fed the zerglings out so slowly.
Tactic was basically planetary fortresses with supplies blocking everything but 1 attacktile and bunkers with reapers/rines.

On November 24 2010 08:17 Monxy wrote:
Ouch, it's finally something both hard and interesting in EU. Thanks a lot for bringing us a map a lot of people has been waiting for.

On November 24 2010 17:04 Monxy wrote:
I'm not sure if it's the same in US but here in EU it's very popular.

On November 24 2010 23:10 Delarchon wrote:
So this doesnt ever end?

Im currently at 20k with just stacking pf but i dont think i have patience to keep this going on much longer.

On November 24 2010 22:40 Sitcaf wrote:
Play as protoss -> Talent in gas -> Rush to mothership -> gg (no detection)

I am currently at 43k kills

On November 24 2010 23:24 Monxy wrote:
Oh, and there's one thing I'd really like to know, what is the math sequence for "How many lings there will be in x round?"

On November 24 2010 23:26 Vanished131 wrote:
If you would pay attention to the original post, you would know these things.

On November 25 2010 05:35 Neokarasu wrote:
A couple of things:

1. Timer shouldn't start until you pick your talents. It's dumb that you have be lightning fast to pick Mineral Man/Eco/Gas if you want to get the full benefit of the talent. Also helps the newbies.

2. Talent description can use a bit more detail. Only Greedy gives you the full description (400 min) while everything else uses some vague description (like Savvy Samaritan. How much min do you get exactly per civ, etc.)

3. I don't expect this to change but not getting refund on building death sucks. Sometimes the lings path "correctly" and funnel into the 1 gap choke I made but other times they just kill my depot wall. Not cool.
Maybe if you can make sure they path correctly it won't suck as bad.

4. Since the game is basically about resource management, it would be cool if you can trade gas -> min and vice versa w/ your SCV. Make it like 2 gas -> 1 min and 2 min -> 1 gas. Basically some build (bluehel, Tank, etc.) requires the heavy gas early but you really can't use the amount of gas Eco/Gas Hog gives you without equivalent amount of mins.

5. Last but not least, I would love player scaling. Obviously this is a team game but some people (like me) like to play solo. This is obviously really hard given that 1 player income is nowhere near 7 player's. So any kinda of scaling to support smaller group is good.

On November 25 2010 06:01 Qw4z1 wrote:
Updated version is now online on EU. Enjoy and sorry for the delay.

On November 25 2010 10:45 Faranth wrote:


I realize that this map is entirely your undertaking, and thus all efforts and decisions are ultimately yours.

However, the vitriolic tone you've taken towards legitimate criticisms is simply disgusting. Why bother posting a forum thread about your map if you are simply going to thoughtlessly dismiss what the players have to say?

"Write me the descriptions then?" Is it not the very point of Neokarasu that we don't precisely understand the benefit of the talent? Expecting us to then describe it is simply absurdity. How much effort does it take to explain that "You will gain X number of minerals per civilian saved per round"? A simple quantification helps massively in determining a strategy... yet you seem to overlook this while simultaneously criticizing Neokarasu on the grounds of needing "strategy".

I don't read such an intensely angst-ridden tone from Neokarasu's post, yet your response is nothing short of vicious. For the third criticism, you could at least explain that the design is intentional - sometimes they will attack the wall, other times they will not - but your best is, "Cry?"

Disappointing. If you're going to look for the community for advice (which you do by opening the thread, even if you do not explicitly ask for critique), I would encourage you to respond in a mature and thoughtful manner regardless of what the critique says. Our goals are mutual in developing an enjoyable experience.

On November 25 2010 03:18 Monxy wrote:


Oh, I was so dumb I was trying to find some more complicated ways. It's in fact so easy...
If anyone wants to know what it is then:
a+b=c
a - last level
b - current level
c - next level

On November 25 2010 12:15 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


i mentioned it was the Fibonacci sequence on page 2...

On November 25 2010 17:02 yoeri wrote:
Played a fair number of games on the european servers with a few friends of mine and we realy like this map. We mostly wall in 2 of us go planetary fortress and the others are going full marine.
now those who go full marine have allot of gass but are unable to trade it with the other players.
Maybe trade can be enabled?

And furthermore the waves where the enemy spawn burowed around your base bugs a bit. The planetary fortresses and marine's kill the lings before they have a chance to fully unburrow. When this hapens the kill counter won't go up. At the moment it seems you have to move your units out to gain kills. Maybe this is fixable?

But other then that we love your map!

On November 26 2010 01:07 Neokarasu wrote:
Easy there champ, don't want to break a leg getting off the high horse.

Some follow-up:

1. It's more than a couple of seconds really. Say you're a new player playing this map. I would imagine you would take a good 10 seconds reading each talent description. That's lost mineral generation time for Mineral/Eco build which is vital since again, this game is all about resource management. It might not make a big deal for experienced players but I don't see any negative side effect from delaying the timer (and therefore mineral generation) until a talent is picked.

2. If you tell me exactly what they do, I'd love to type out the description. But as pointed out, I don't even know exactly what they do. Greedy has such a succinct description: "400 minerals, no question asked". Why shouldn't every other talent be given a bit more specificity?

3. I'll actually retract this statement. I was only basing it on earlier observations but after testing it out, buildings do get refunded. I guess the game is generally over when they breach any wall so mostly frustrated at the pathing.

4. I like strategy. Resource management is strategy. However since I don't play in bigger teams, I can't comment on that team dynamic. What I know is minerals is the limiting factor in this map and the talents that don't boost mineral seems subpar compared to one that does. An additional method to manage resources would add another layer to the game and option is always fun (IMO).

5. I know you added some player scaling. In fact, I've played through many iterations of this map and know that you start out w/ more resources now than before. However, I also know that there's only so far you can go in the game before solo resource generation is simply not enough to keep playing. What I was asking is for the resource generation to scale.
Now if you don't intend the game to be soloable then that's fine. Just say "don't solo it" and I won't try. However, adjusting the starting resource without tweaking the long-term resource generation and calling that "scaling" is hardly enough.

p.s. I said 7 because that's the number next to the map name. Since I play solo and never bothered to actually count or stop to think about the map slots, I typed out 7

On November 26 2010 02:36 yoeri wrote:
@Vanished131

A friend of mine has saved a replay of it, i will see him tomorow ill upload the replay then.

On November 26 2010 03:40 mark8264 wrote:
Just like to point out a pretty major bug in your game that got all my units removed a couple of times, and every time I was perplexed as to why it happened, but I finally figured it out:

If you have siege tanks in siege mode, they will splash unto friendly units and kill them. This is inevitable, and triggers the "friendly kill" trigger that will get all your units removed from the game.

I suggest removing friendly splash from siege tanks as this bug is kinda annoying and basically makes getting siege tanks not an option.

On November 26 2010 10:12 Mutaahh wrote:
Im playing a game right now, and i found out that you might wanna create illusions, because the round after they die, they are back as normal units LOL

free collosus anyone?

On November 26 2010 14:44 Monxy wrote:
It's same with infested terrans. You can make legions of them...

On November 26 2010 23:28 mansnicks wrote:
omg. just quited a game on this map. i dont know what level were we on but that level took FOREVER!. so we just left at 22k kills.

anyway. could you do something so that zergs can play this map? i mean.. zergs sux ass on this map coz terrans and protoss cant build on creep .
I'm a Zerg player. I hate playing as a fucking Terran.

On November 26 2010 19:01 shemone wrote:
Awesome map.

Noticed that in the later rounds when you're over 10k kills, they can take an extremely long time to end and because of this no matter how many PF's your team has up, you don't have minerals to sustain repairs and your PF's die.

Maybe a nice tweak allow vespene to mineral conversion and vice versa, im not sure if this is possible i havn't looked into the editor yet. Also maybe a talent to still keep 50% mineral income during rounds?

Also to mention a bug, if you build PF's along the top, and place an army behind it, zerglings get stuck on the outer ring of the map, in the black shadow part, and are unreachable!

Just a few idea's .

PS i hate having to upgrade zergs, speed > atk speed > speed > atk speed > speed > atk speed.
Mmmmmmm whats that red wave running towards us at 10 speed!

On November 27 2010 02:05 Zihn wrote:
remove motherships from the game, it makes it imposible to die, just afked to 70k kills and still nothing to detect the invisible buildings

On November 27 2010 07:59 mkfk1 wrote:
Your map is meaningless. Once you get to 10k kills, it gets boring, and players will leave. I just have a match with 5 players leaving, 2 mothership and a ring of pf.

I left it at that and watch movie, 3 hours later, and 120k kills and is the same thing. That wasnt even level 20.

What is the point of this map if it physically not possible to beat it? From what I heard, the max b net will let you be in a map is 9+ hours. This pretty much means noone can beat this.

No offense, but I dont like how this map is currently at the top in EU server. Given that this map is meaningless after level 5. Is basically, build mother ship + defense, and leave your computer on for 9 hours before b net cut you off and see how many kills you get. But you wont reach level 100, cuz that would take months.

On November 27 2010 08:36 Monxy wrote:


Motherships aren't that good anymore as the lings have detection, now you can just play with vortexes but that's not gonna help.

On November 27 2010 08:34 Grijzeham wrote:
Hi there, enjoyed the map a lot so far, was just wondering if there are any plans to make it so terran/protoss can build on creep currently going zerg tends to be pretty much suicide unless everyone else is also.

On November 27 2010 09:39 Vanished131 wrote:


I would like to comment on level 100. Level 100 is not the final level.

If I recall, a player reached over 100,000 in about an hour game time. By the time you read this message, you should see a list of goals I currently have listed in the original post, please take a look and comment if you would like. Do you agree? Do you disagree? What else would you like to see?

On November 27 2010 11:45 mkfk1 wrote:


I disagree with the map concept. You want a future bank to store high score, do you expect players to compete by letting their comps run as long as possible? Right now the map is not only demanding long run time, but its also pretty boring after the first 30 minutes.

What is your long term goal with this map? To make a map where players have to invest xxxxx hours into it? With save? Killing lings over and over? Why?

I have play maps both for single and mutiplayers that are hours long. But those maps have a clear define goal and a winnable time frame. Your map right now feels nothing more than let the comp run as long as you can, and still impossible to achieve victory.

On November 27 2010 12:30 Bob300 wrote:
Ok so i tried this like 10 times and there is no way that you could possibly win... lol

On November 28 2010 00:19 Edmon wrote:
There was some sort of bug in this map.

I had a hatch, greater spire, a spine crawler and 4 broodlords near the edge of the map and the "game concluded". My allies were dead though, but I was very much alive.

On November 28 2010 03:50 Aeres wrote:
Nice work, Vanished. Reminds me of that one Blizzard UMS in Brood War, where you played as Terran in the center of a barren map, and around the edges of the map were 8 Zerg bases that continuously assaulted you. I think it was called "Twilight Struggle" or something similar, I dunno. The point is I'm getting that vibe from your map quite a bit, and it's a nice vibe to have, since I feel it's one of the best Blizzard-made UMS's in any of their RTS games.

Keep it up, man.

On November 27 2010 11:54 Vanished131 wrote:


What you have described is not the map concept. Have you tried the latest version? The game isn't a contest of who can wait the longest. It's a strategy game. I am currently working on balance changes to prevent most games from lasting for more than a number of minutes.

Players will compete by having the best team of 6 players.

As always, please post bugs or issues. If someone could point out which aspects of the game need to be restricted, that would be immensely helpful (e.g. Planetary Fortresses).

On November 28 2010 09:06 mkfk1 wrote:



A strategy game with no realistic victory trigger. Like I said, after a certain level, it becomes a waiting game. This pretty much makes it a who can wait the longest.

If you are tweaking this map so that it will "prevent most from lasting for more than a number of minutes", does this mean you want it to be an impossible map and encourage players to get as far they can in a impossible setting? If that is your intention, I dont think this map will be top 20 in a few weeks time. Who would want to play a ums where there is no practical way of winning but rather a last as long as you can before the map will beat you regardless scenario?

No offense, but your current version of the map feel worse than those korean MMO where they expect players to grind for a year or too to have their character level up to 100.

On November 28 2010 09:06 mkfk1 wrote:



A strategy game with no realistic victory trigger. Like I said, after a certain level, it becomes a waiting game. This pretty much makes it a who can wait the longest.

If you are tweaking this map so that it will "prevent most from lasting for more than a number of minutes", does this mean you want it to be an impossible map and encourage players to get as far they can in a impossible setting? If that is your intention, I dont think this map will be top 20 in a few weeks time. Who would want to play a ums where there is no practical way of winning but rather a last as long as you can before the map will beat you regardless scenario?

No offense, but your current version of the map feel worse than those korean MMO where they expect players to grind for a year or too to have their character level up to 100.

On November 28 2010 13:40 keyan wrote:
First off, I like this map. I am currently at a lan party but we have more people then the number of player slots, by like two people. I tried to load it in the editor to add in a few more players but the editor doesn't see your map. Is there a way I can add more people in or would that be something you would consider? We really want to play this map but we don't want to exclude the couple people either. Thank you for this awesome map!

On November 28 2010 18:39 xHassassin wrote:
How to never lose:

1. At least 2 players.

1st level, engineering bay, 2 planetary fortress.

2nd level, Building armor

3rd level, save

4th level, 3rd command center

5th level, 3rd planetary fortress

6th level+, more planetary fortress and scvs

Zerglings do 5 damage, planetary fortress with armor have 5 armor. Always choose carapace for the ling upgrades.

On November 29 2010 02:17 Vanished131 wrote:


I don't think this works. Can you even get planetary fortresses the first level?

On November 29 2010 02:37 Monxy wrote:


You can make planetary fortresses 1st level. Whole build, however wouldn't work, PFs turn too slowly.

Anyways I found some bugs. First of all, researching burrow takes time (it's not instant like everything else). Second thing is the cost of burrowing itself. Every time I try to burrow a baneling, it costs about 50 gas and gives me about 50 minerals so burrowing is not an option here. Same with siege mode for siege tanks. Oh, and I'm not sure if it's fixed but raven seeker missiles should do friendly splash.

On November 29 2010 03:40 Monxy wrote:
I'm not sure but it seems like upgrading claws does nothing except for writing 1,2,3, etc.. The zergling's attack is still 5 no matter what. It's the most important thing I can think of, as zerglings with upgraded damage kill PFs nicely.

On November 29 2010 03:44 Vanished131 wrote:


Someone mentioned this earlier and I ignored it. I don't see why this would be true.

On November 29 2010 00:35 Mutaahh wrote:
maybe make this map FFA
so everyone has the same amount of lings to beat, and the best management wins? something competetive? (maybe with fog of war so people cant steal eachother building placement,

On November 29 2010 04:48 OmgIRok wrote:


so what you're saying is you want a game that will insta-kill your computer at the last level

On November 29 2010 06:47 Hotzenplotz wrote:
everytime i use strom the entire games crashes.....

On November 29 2010 07:28 DarkJackalX wrote:
Is this map published on the US Server?

On November 28 2010 15:31 TheDominator wrote:
Is this in NA server only? I would love to see it in the SEA server.
Great map, definitely 1st equal for best custom maps ive seen on Sc2.
Thnx!

On November 29 2010 09:41 Superjuden wrote:
Hi, I've been playing your map a while now on the EU servers, and found that around when you get 25k kills, some zerglings simply stay outside the map in the corners where you can't actually kill any of them. Every once in a while new ones pop up but I doubt that this continues forever.

Also the way you make sure you never ever die is by simply building some buildings in a circle, put a bunch of hellions with weapons upgrade in the middle and then leave two or three small runways into your base. Now the zerglings will simply try to attack the hellions rather than your buildings simply because they draw more aggro than the supply depots. The lings just run down the opening and straight into the line of fire of the hellions, every single one getting insta-killed and they will never run fast enough to actually get to the hellions if you do this properly.

Also PFs are useless, eventually they just get overrun by lings. The key to long lasting games is making sure you NEVER get hit.

On November 29 2010 09:41 Superjuden wrote:
Hi, I've been playing your map a while now on the EU servers, and found that around when you get 25k kills, some zerglings simply stay outside the map in the corners where you can't actually kill any of them. Every once in a while new ones pop up but I doubt that this continues forever.

Also the way you make sure you never ever die is by simply building some buildings in a circle, put a bunch of hellions with weapons upgrade in the middle and then leave two or three small runways into your base. Now the zerglings will simply try to attack the hellions rather than your buildings simply because they draw more aggro than the supply depots. The lings just run down the opening and straight into the line of fire of the hellions, every single one getting insta-killed and they will never run fast enough to actually get to the hellions if you do this properly.

Also PFs are useless, eventually they just get overrun by lings. The key to long lasting games is making sure you NEVER get hit.

On November 29 2010 09:44 Sufficiency wrote:


What you said is not exactly true. The AI works in a way that when there are too many Zerglings, they will attack your wall even though it's incomplete.

What you said is not exactly true. The AI works in a way that when there are too many Zerglings, they will attack your wall even though it's incomplete.

On November 29 2010 09:50 Superjuden wrote:


The key to avoiding this is by leaving enough openings so that one is always clear of zergling or at least making sure that there is always room for more, this is usually done by simply killing them all.

As of yet of course I've only gone to around 25k kills, meaning there might be point where the amount of lings which actually enter the battlefield becomes to large that it's simply impossible to kill all of them at a rate at which this actually works. However at this point I think my computer will probably just crash because it can possibly render that amount.

On November 29 2010 10:02 Sufficiency wrote:


I believe (not 100% sure) that the game makes complex calculations about whether or not it should break the partial wall or take the longer route.

On November 29 2010 22:00 Marksel wrote:
Played it for the first time yesterday, and this game is absolutely horrible from a zerg's perspective...

terrans get planetary fortresses and kill everything, all zerg gets to do is make like 10 zerglings against the waves of 100?

On November 29 2010 22:00 Marksel wrote:
Played it for the first time yesterday, and this game is absolutely horrible from a zerg's perspective...

terrans get planetary fortresses and kill everything, all zerg gets to do is make like 10 zerglings against the waves of 100?

On November 29 2010 21:11 Monxy wrote:
This is strange... I had DTs once, guess what happened? They died, how strange. Later on I made a mothership. Whoops, what's that? I guess my nexus just blew up. Doesn't it kinda say they have detection? Later on, my friend made DTs, died too. Now, when I see someone making a mothership I feel like "haha, this guy doesn't know lings have detection". Strangely they don't, cloak worked now.

Is there any explanation for this phenomenon?

On November 30 2010 21:04 Monxy wrote:
Hmm... Is the FF on siege tanks fixed now? I hope so, but there's something else that does friendly damage. Raven seeker missile.

On November 30 2010 22:17 Monxy wrote:
Oh and I hate how the NO ZORG attitude is growing. The longer players can't build on creep the worse.

On November 30 2010 08:20 Vanished131 wrote:


This is from an old version. The new version has a new display for kills with the goal below.

I appreciate the screenshot. The new version should offer a new challenge.

On November 30 2010 23:35 Vanished131 wrote:
Could you possibly tell me what position ZZ is on the Eu popularity list? I am curious.

On December 01 2010 00:38 Monxy wrote:


Oh, it's great. First page. However, few players understand the point of it. Everyone thinks it's about winning the boring way while it is the opposite, losing the fun way.

On November 30 2010 23:35 Vanished131 wrote:


Building on creep is a difficult problem, if anyone wants to offer solutions, that would be incredible helpful.

Could you possibly tell me what position ZZ is on the Eu popularity list? I am curious.

On December 01 2010 00:44 Marradron wrote:


Ah ez fix for zerg creep would be to remove the requirement for zerg buildings to be built on creep

On December 01 2010 00:48 Vanished131 wrote:


I'm not quite a retard. You would still have creep generated from hatcheries, and zerg buildings would need their negative life regeneration buff removed.

I prefer zerg buildings to remain confined to creep.

On December 01 2010 01:22 Monxy wrote:

Well everybody would like that... But wouldn't it be easier (and dumber) to just remove the spawn creep behavior and do what Marradron said?
However maybe thing what I just said won't work or is even impossible to achieve, I'm not an expert (I don't make maps at all).

On December 01 2010 02:23 Vanished131 wrote:


It would work, but let me think for a little while.

On December 01 2010 02:54 Weken wrote:
Can you please make it so other races can build on creep? Because i just had a game where a couple of zerg built some hatcheries after evry1 else had placed there buildings so i couldn't get the building positioning i wanted which was quite annoying. Also i dont see the point of having this mechanic (other races not being able to build on creep) in this custom game because all the human players are on the same side.

On December 01 2010 03:19 Vanished131 wrote:
Good news! Build on creep will be supported very very soon. I figured it out.

On December 01 2010 03:25 Monxy wrote:


Yay, how did you do that? Or keep it secret if you want :D

On December 01 2010 04:15 Monxy wrote:
On an other topic, claws upgrade attack now. It's much harder from now on.

On December 01 2010 15:23 DiracMonopole wrote:
There is a bug someone discovered (not in this map, in the actual game) where you can get siege tanks to stack. I imagine if you stack enough of them, no number of zerglings could get into range.

On December 02 2010 00:09 Monxy wrote:
Oh yeah, the NO ZORGs will have to cry now. Checked and working, we can build on creep :D

EDIT: Erm, I didn't play a lot of zerg earlier. But I just realized, zerg won't get refunded for the drone that is used to build something, and it won't respawn. It's so annoying because drones cost gas so... It kinda cripples the zerg.

On December 02 2010 05:50 Monxy wrote:
Are we still far, far away from the levels going 10,20,30,50 instead of hundreds and beginning with very small amount of money?

On December 03 2010 00:26 photohunts wrote:
Played this with 5 other people. They were all Terran and I was Protoss. Basically they just massed PF's and I teched up to Colossus. At about Round 10, we just gave up...not because we were being overwhelmed, but because it was just taking too damn long to even get through the round. So the map beats us through our impatience, and I just don't know how anyone can sit through more rounds of that. This is a sick joke Vanish. Are you laughing at us right now? lol. I may or may not put up a vid of our last round on my youtube channel. Later.

On December 03 2010 00:26 photohunts wrote:
Played this with 5 other people. They were all Terran and I was Protoss. Basically they just massed PF's and I teched up to Colossus. At about Round 10, we just gave up...not because we were being overwhelmed, but because it was just taking too damn long to even get through the round. So the map beats us through our impatience, and I just don't know how anyone can sit through more rounds of that. This is a sick joke Vanish. Are you laughing at us right now? lol. I may or may not put up a vid of our last round on my youtube channel. Later.

On December 03 2010 10:00 ste0731 wrote:
54mins in, 45k killed and counting xD This is a cool map, can see it dragging a bit though :p

On December 03 2010 10:20 Vanished131 wrote:


If anyone could post a list of tentative changes they would make (balance changes) that would be extremely instrumental. That is, perhaps you think planetary fortress should cost vespene. I do plan to add a vespene cost to them.

On December 03 2010 10:24 ste0731 wrote:


Anyway to spawn lings faster? On 91k/98k now and the level is taking FOREVER. 1hr 26into the game. wanted to try hiy 1mil before bed but i'ma have to retire

Get rid of the burrow/drops (from level 8+) as they are ultimate lag fest, and the dropping of 2k lings takes FORRRRRREVER!

Erm PF's are slightly OP but if u nerf them then the game becomes unplayable...
Brood lords soak up SO much damage as well.

On December 03 2010 10:31 Vanished131 wrote:


The zerglings spawn as fast as you kill them. If you read a few posts up, you would know this.

Kill them faster to make the levels go faster. (Hint: Planetary fortresses kill zerglings very slow.)

On December 03 2010 10:32 ste0731 wrote:


The game is set to spawn a maximum of 100 zerglings per second. If the level is taking too long, your strategy isn't very effective.

Thats 15mins for 90k lings Still a LONG time.

On December 03 2010 04:10 Vanished131 wrote:


The game is set to spawn a maximum of 100 zerglings per second. If the level is taking too long, your strategy isn't very effective.

Level 10 should take about 90 seconds, ideally. If you beat it in 2 minutes, I will forgive you.

And respect the name, bro.

On December 03 2010 12:54 photohunts wrote:


Didn't mean any disrespect. I actually played the map quite a few times AND I never mass PF'ed, my teammates did. It's still a sick joke lol.

On December 03 2010 01:58 Monxy wrote:


That is simply what I hate, why didn't you make mass ghosts or mass banshees? This is the point of the map. Don't win the boring way, just lose the fun way. Everyone used to say "zerg sucks, NO ZORG" I ask why if not because of creep "zerg is bad, we won't win". Almost nobody got the sense of the map. You shouldn't go for any classical mass PF or colossi. Be creative, I take zerg for let's say, banelings. You can never win with pure banelings, why do I do it? Because it's funnier than to stack PFs or make pure colossus. I hate when everyone says (or thinks) " what a lame map, all I can do is stack PFz lolol".

On December 03 2010 13:10 photohunts wrote:


Sorry if that was your impression of my post. You misunderstood. I never said (or thought) the map was lame. I was merely commenting on how futile it is to try to get through the rounds quickly. I know your approach to this map first hand...I play COD Zombies. Relax and enjoy the map and pay no attention to everyone that says it's lame.

On December 03 2010 23:33 Monxy wrote:


Oh, sorry for this misunderstanding, I hope it'll be the last one.

Anyways I want to report the infested terran problem. They respawn each round (without timer on them) and they cost only energy. I don't even want to say how good they are compared to marines. They can have 11 damage each burst they fire.
And broodlords take time to finish, they're not instant like everything else.

On December 04 2010 06:16 mkfk1 wrote:
Your map is boring vanished. Many people on this thread have stated it. And now it is steadily dropping in popularity as I had predicted last week. And yet you still come back and argue with the players that we are "playing it wrong". Players play to win. We always look for the best strategy to beat games like this.


I dont like your attitude vanished. Why make a thread and ask players opinion when you dismissed them? Unless you change your attitude, your map will keep falling on the popularity scale. 3 more months max.

On December 04 2010 21:58 vortex1994 wrote:
This is just insane, I'm 2 hours and 45 minutes into 1 game and we've killed 110.000 so far. After a while it gets kinda boring since it's mostly waiting then.

Also, you might want to consider adding new talents with more extreme buffs, but with extreme setback too.

On December 04 2010 22:55 Monxy wrote:
Could you explain how does highscore work here?
Is it
amount of games played/personal best?

Oh and enemy zerglings have speed buff on creep, I'm not sure if it's made on purpose.

EDIT: Erm, just a second ago (I'm on alt-tab) a round finished before the zerglings died. My SCV didn't respawn and I had no CC. In fact, nothing respawned. Next round (we somehow survived) same thing happened. This is really awful.

2nd EDIT: Oh is the splash on siege tanks still doing damage to units owned by the owner of siege tanks? Kinda got that feeling after buildings made by me died to ST explosions.