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Map preview: (727x719)
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High quality image (1454x1438)
Players: 4
Size: 128x128
Money
Main: 8 mineral, 2 gas
Natural: 7 mineral, 2gas
3rd: 5 mineral, 1 gas
4th: 6 mineral, 2 gas
Concept
your main base is on low ground up in the corners then a ramp leads up to ur natural at high ground. the natural is attached to this long huge high ground area with 3 ramps out. 2 of them which leads out to the top down right left expoes and 1 large which leads out to the middle. ur 3rd base is low on money but kinda easy to defend, its located on the high ground between the large ramp and the farthest ramp from ur natural.
the middle is open and unbuildable on the tiles.
pretty straight forward macro oriented map with many flanking areas and strategical positions to cover to secure expansions.
Personal notes
remake of the original sc1 map byzantium. that map was awesome for sc1 and it can probably have high potential in sc2.
Image Links
Unbuildable middle
4th base with many entrences and high grass
Main base to natural
Line of sight blocker (los): in the choke between 4th base and the middle
Watch Tower: none
Destructible debris/rocks: none
Version 1.1
- made it visually easier to see ramps and high ground compared to low ground
- added some decoration and worked on the textures
- added heights
Download Map: no download available
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lol at the middle... i know it's other way round but... definately reminds me of smth 
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On June 25 2010 02:07 PredY wrote:lol at the middle... i know it's other way round but... definately reminds me of smth
ye tried my best to avoid it, if its still too offensive ill gladly change it. im not a you know what :d
so what u think of the map besides that?^^
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whys there a swastika in middle ?
wasn't there in original seems odd you would even add it :s
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I really hope it wont be a trend/standard to cut minerals down on expansions. Other than that it looks interesting. The middle will get the most OMFG posts but meh it is just a shape.
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On June 25 2010 02:10 Kralic wrote:
I really hope it wont be a trend/standard to cut minerals down on expansions. Other than that it looks interesting. The middle will get the most OMFG posts but meh it is just a shape.
what u mean with trend to cut down minerals on expoes? it makes sense that main base has more money than the expansions, then expanding wont give twice a boost instead alittle less which is for the best. u get 200 psi so fast on 2base if u do blizzard style with 8 in both
ye i gotta change it lol, ill get on it later~
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Looks awesome to play on! I'm confused because the overview picture is a different color than the perspective and middle picture? Would love to play it 
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Hey, nice Tibetan representation of eternity in the middle there.
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On June 25 2010 02:14 monitor wrote:Looks awesome to play on! I'm confused because the overview picture is a different color than the perspective and middle picture? Would love to play it
ye when i take these zoomed in pictures i change the graphics to medium so it looks cooler xD while in main picture i want it to look more simple so u can see whats what
On June 25 2010 02:14 Seltsam wrote:
Hey, nice Tibetan representation of eternity in the middle there.
ok stop the hatin' i dont even know what that means :s already said ill change it
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On June 25 2010 02:16 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 02:14 monitor wrote:Looks awesome to play on! I'm confused because the overview picture is a different color than the perspective and middle picture? Would love to play it ye when i take these zoomed in pictures i change the graphics to medium so it looks cooler xD while in main picture i want it to look more simple so u can see whats what Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 02:14 Seltsam wrote:
Hey, nice Tibetan representation of eternity in the middle there. ok stop the hatin' i dont even know what that means :s already said ill change it
Ain't hatin'! The swastika was a religious symbol first, is all
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nice hindu symbol of spiritual power!
joking aside, cool map.
could use a bit more asthetic diversity to sexy it up a bit, but looks like it will play well.
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On June 25 2010 02:16 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 02:14 monitor wrote:Looks awesome to play on! I'm confused because the overview picture is a different color than the perspective and middle picture? Would love to play it ye when i take these zoomed in pictures i change the graphics to medium so it looks cooler xD while in main picture i want it to look more simple so u can see whats what Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 02:14 Seltsam wrote:
Hey, nice Tibetan representation of eternity in the middle there. ok stop the hatin' i dont even know what that means :s already said ill change it
You don't have to change it because IT IS NOT a swastika (the nazi one), the nazi's swastika is in the other direction!
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On June 25 2010 02:23 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 02:16 MorroW wrote:On June 25 2010 02:14 monitor wrote:Looks awesome to play on! I'm confused because the overview picture is a different color than the perspective and middle picture? Would love to play it ye when i take these zoomed in pictures i change the graphics to medium so it looks cooler xD while in main picture i want it to look more simple so u can see whats what On June 25 2010 02:14 Seltsam wrote:
Hey, nice Tibetan representation of eternity in the middle there. ok stop the hatin' i dont even know what that means :s already said ill change it You don't have to change it because IT IS NOT a swastika (the nazi one), the nazi's swastika is in the other direction!
yes but u saw how crazy ppl got even tho it wasnt, i just dont wanna ppl to get the wrong idea no matter where they get it from. even i didnt think this was so far-fetched
anyhow updated now and maybe i can get some real comments about the map plz
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Yeah Hella nice cant wait to play this! btw according to Gosugamers.net you are top 5 in ther rank list of top players of the world in starcraft 2 if you are this person why were you not in the EU vs Asia games?? white your skills maybe EU could even it out the score
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On June 25 2010 02:35 MorroW wrote:yes but u saw how crazy ppl got even tho it wasnt, i just dont wanna ppl to get the wrong idea no matter where they get it from. even i didnt think this was so far-fetched anyhow updated now and maybe i can get some real comments about the map plz
No matter what you do people will always try and find a fault in it. Just leave it how it is. Let idiots be idiots
Anyway really nice map. I'm not exactly sure but I think the screenshot has cut off the edges of the map?
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Good to see that change, but now all I see is a resemblance to the KKK symbol in the middle.
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Theres gonna be sooo many proxy's near the fourth base....
edit: really like it tho =)
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warning: im super selfconfident in my following advise. dont take me too serious if you feel offended.
the concept looks good, as expected from an ex-pro-ish map.
what i noticed:
-the 3rd (islandish expo) looks harder to hold than on the original. try to change the chokes. or you cant take it unless you have full map control.
- it looks super hasty done. how long did you work on it? a day?
*those plants and stuff look distracting and misplaced to me.
*texturing could use some improvement too looks like 'ill have the base textur, put some other texture over it and then use blur abit.
- the brushes seem somewhat unfamiliar when compared to the original.
you just copied the rough concept.
that can possibly work, but its very likely that it turns out worse than it could be if you put more time into it.
*it makes a huge difference if you place a cliff 2 squares further or closer, or what the shape is, think of unit ranges
- the descenting mineral patches is a bad thing imo. us spectators want to see fast paced action on multiple spots at best. low ressource bases do not contribute to this.
expos shouldnt have less than 7 patches
- about the nazi symbol thing, just give a damn. its fine. as long its nothing illegal you can put on your map whatever you want. also picture-google 'peacoat', wich have been very popular lately, as far i know, and then 'SS uniform'. notice something?
spoiler: design copied.
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Advice:
1) put more time into your map.
altough its not the most important, you want to make it somewhat appealing. it shouldnt be confusing and distracting. clean layout, environment placed at the right points. always take a look at the map and ask yourself: would i like to play on it? is it ok to assume other would like to play on it?
2) think about it.
think about all possibilities for everything you do, could do, or not do. then think wich of these in what combination would be fun to play and more important fun to watch. the result is the concept of a high level melee map.
greetings, madsquare.
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yes, i didnt take long time into this map, mind you its the very first version of it
im a competitive gamer and i know that 1 square here or there can be huge
id very much like to play at this map, as u can see all the decoration is mostly towards the edges of cliffs. if u dont have much decoration around the cliffs its hard to even see them
i like the textures and the looks of it, its just a simple personal opinion u have right there so no i wont change the textures because they are just fine. overall kept it darker towards the edges so players have easier time seeing where the edges come. if i got time to spend on this less important things such as textures then sure i might do that but dont think my map got worse textures than most maps out there, its better than most in fact
much of the trees etc on the cliff sides r just there to give the players a clear idea of what is walkable and not, if u simply remove this and it looks empty they come with their dropship and finds out they cant drop on the cliff edges
about the minerals. u simply cant come here in beta phase and tell mapmakers how many minerals each expansion should have. as a gamer i know that players lack gas in overall. just because dustin browder likes to put 8 minerals on every single base he makes doesnt mean hes right
i think your very off on most things you said but i agree the 4th bases are harder to defend here , it does look different. i will try to change this in the next update
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i know who you are, and i also know that you are very well aware of most of the stuff i posted. though im sure some people are interested in this thread and in what i self understanding for you.
your right about the textures, though arent as carefully done as as some 3d artist nerds would like them to see, the fulfill their function very well.
as well as the models. they dont look very dynamic and ambientic, but they fulfill their role. you state its because of the early version, im fine with that i only wnated to to point it out. nevermind if you feel negativly criticized.
my opinion on the minerals stay though. more ressources lead to a faster game and probably more action. also i dont think a base as hard to hold like this ( even if you change it a bit ) is worth with so few patches unless you are about to win anyway and just a finisher. but of course i could be wrong, because i have far less experience (im not sarcastic or ironic.)
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On June 25 2010 04:13 Madsquare wrote:
- about the nazi symbol thing, just give a damn. its fine. as long its nothing illegal you can put on your map whatever you want. also picture-google 'peacoat', wich have been very popular lately, as far i know, and then 'SS uniform'. notice something?
spoiler: design copied.
I'm sorry to inform you that in your country of origin displaying the swastika is illegal. There are exceptions, for example anti-nazi symbolism, like a swastika with a cross through it, as well as the swastika displayed for art purposes (in Germany video games aren't considered art).
Also, the pea coat has nothing to do with nazis. It was used by all armies during WW2, specifically by their navies.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
Looks pretty good, I'd play it
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I love the colors, seems so lush and jungle-like.
inb4 jungle tileset
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nice remake, never really liked the original map on scbw- but this might be fun for sc2
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Because there is no such thing as edit.....
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god, stop talking about nazi sign on maps, 90% of map with rotational symetry will have a nazi sign or inverted one
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I fail to see how the middle looks like a swastika.
I really like the way you use your tilesets, it makes your maps look so awesome.
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On June 25 2010 02:05 MorroW wrote:
no watch towers on the map
no los blockers on the map
no destructible rocks
thank you... so sick of them appearing on every map, half the time for no reason
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Nice loving all the custom maps. Keep them coming :D
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On June 25 2010 02:10 monkh wrote:
whys there a swastika in middle ?
wasn't there in original seems odd you would even add it :s
????? i know what a swastika looks like... and there definitely isn't one in this map?
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wow that's quite a good copy of the original. though somehow, it fells much more crammed than sc1 but hey that's what all sc2 maps are like right now.
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I wasn't going to post since I didn't have much to say about the map, but why are so many people so sensitive about the design of the middle? It's not a swastika; it doesn't even look like a swastika. Just because MorroW decided to make some nice rotational symmetry in his map should not mean that half the people in this thread should troll about such an insignificant thing.
Hell, it looks more like a shuriken than a swastika.
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On July 25 2010 22:21 JMave wrote:
wow that's quite a good copy of the original. though somehow, it fells much more crammed than sc1 but hey that's what all sc2 maps are like right now.
i think the eyes r just playing tricks on u :p remember the start locations are alot larger now giving it a feel of small main bases when infact ingame the maps feel just the same
Version 1.1
- made it visually easier to see ramps and high ground compared to low ground
- added some decoration and worked on the textures
- added heights
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