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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-02 18:20:39
November 02 2008 18:18 GMT
#1
Point of Emphasisp: Superb level of play by these two top gamers. JF starts with an aggressive build that places production a little bit closer than opponent players would like. ChinaTTTT however responds with gorgeous micro and a calculated response that should be taken note of by witnessing T players alike. Game progresses to a standard chess match on this map however JF plays a more aggressive brand of bw then the typical 35 minute stalemate in the middle.. some well executed attacks and some not so well executed.. anyways watching is fun

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poor jf
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
November 02 2008 18:45 GMT
#2
This'll be easy.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
November 02 2008 19:44 GMT
#3
You're facing him in the first round right NonY?

great play by 4T btw
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
November 02 2008 19:59 GMT
#4
Yep, on Python
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Juanpe
Profile Joined May 2008
Uruguay283 Posts
November 02 2008 20:17 GMT
#5
=D =D =D =D!!

Thx so much Inc.
C+ rank Terran training harder every day to be like ChinaTTTT :D~ Lee Jae Dong phan o(∩_∩)o <3 <3 <3
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
November 02 2008 20:19 GMT
#6
ya jf shouldntve attacked up the high ground
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17015 Posts
November 02 2008 21:30 GMT
#7
JF got really flustered near the end...two Fleet Beacons?

>_>

His first reaver attack was just deadly, though. He literally stopped the mining of 4t's main.
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kefkalives
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Australia1272 Posts
November 03 2008 00:22 GMT
#8
I cant believe how well chinattt held off that double proxy inside his base. absolutely unreal.
prOxi.bOn ; \\ What makes most people feel happy/Leads us headlong into harm.
JustQuitWarcraftIII
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States679 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-03 15:43:12
November 03 2008 15:42 GMT
#9
In my opinion 4T has by far the best TvP out of all non-Koreans. He played another amazing game vs White-Ra not too long ago where he won after losing multiple expansions to Recalls.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17015 Posts
November 03 2008 20:13 GMT
#10
Is the replay available for that game?
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TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
November 04 2008 01:40 GMT
#11
On November 03 2008 09:22 kefkalives wrote:
I cant believe how well chinattt held off that double proxy inside his base. absolutely unreal.


hum...not really. it was a mistake by JF to reveal his first zealot. he should have waited for 3.
Don't Spend your Life Dreaming, Live your Dream
SpringWind
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
China231 Posts
November 04 2008 10:22 GMT
#12
On November 04 2008 10:40 TheFlashyOne wrote:
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On November 03 2008 09:22 kefkalives wrote:
I cant believe how well chinattt held off that double proxy inside his base. absolutely unreal.


hum...not really. it was a mistake by JF to reveal his first zealot. he should have waited for 3.

4t's SCV have entered jf's base before first zealot coming out,so he cant wait
TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
November 04 2008 20:41 GMT
#13
hum...disagree
Don't Spend your Life Dreaming, Live your Dream
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
November 05 2008 00:35 GMT
#14
There is nothing to disagree with.

Empty base = proxy = bunker and all the shit immediatly.

So better to go straight away before your opponent set up his defenses.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
November 05 2008 00:53 GMT
#15
hum...still disagrees. showing 1 zealot reveals the cheese too quickly and ensures a bunker being made immediately whereas an empty base = proxy = bunker is a slightly longer path. empty base leaves one to wonder what kind of cheese is occurring, if any, (gates could have been in JF's corner, or perhaps even a fast expo somewhere) and is likely to delay a little bit the construction of a bunker, if any, and that bunker is more likely to not be located at the best location since an inside-the-base proxy is very rare. A first wave of 3 zealots would have done more damage.
Don't Spend your Life Dreaming, Live your Dream
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
November 05 2008 00:59 GMT
#16
On November 05 2008 09:53 TheFlashyOne wrote:
since an inside-the-base proxy is very rare.


how many pvt's have you watched on bluestorm?
#1 Kwanro[saM] fan!
TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
November 05 2008 01:06 GMT
#17
still , even if they are somewhat common. my argument is valid. i dont know what you're trying to say.
Don't Spend your Life Dreaming, Live your Dream
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
November 05 2008 02:22 GMT
#18
your arguement isin't really valid, you said somthing about gateways being in jf's main, why the hell would be do that when he could just as easily put them in 4t's main and be like 98% more effective. and about putting up an expansion somewhere else, that just doesn't make sense. what sort of build have you ever seen that stops probe production at 9 (for the time being) and puts an expansion somewhere that isint your natural?

what your saying just doesn't make sense to me and i'm quite sure jf knows what he's doing
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TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
November 05 2008 02:38 GMT
#19
you don't understand my argument so i can't really say anything about your counter-argument.

you don't understand the part where im enumerating reasons why an empty base would result in a bunker being built, if any, slightly later than by revealing the first zealot. That is central, and can't be argued against. That's why a first wave of 3 zeals would have been more effective.
Don't Spend your Life Dreaming, Live your Dream
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
November 05 2008 14:23 GMT
#20
On November 05 2008 09:59 Pads wrote:
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On November 05 2008 09:53 TheFlashyOne wrote:
since an inside-the-base proxy is very rare.


how many pvt's have you watched on bluestorm?


Exactly, its like the most common PvT build ever on bluestorm - every friggin p does this
Sudyn
Profile Joined May 2007
United States744 Posts
November 06 2008 20:51 GMT
#21
On November 05 2008 11:38 TheFlashyOne wrote:
you don't understand my argument so i can't really say anything about your counter-argument.

you don't understand the part where im enumerating reasons why an empty base would result in a bunker being built, if any, slightly later than by revealing the first zealot. That is central, and can't be argued against. That's why a first wave of 3 zeals would have been more effective.


who is this kid, thinking he knows his shit
Gaetele banned?
TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
November 06 2008 22:57 GMT
#22
i can introduce myself in a Bo3 . you choose the maps.
Don't Spend your Life Dreaming, Live your Dream
hixhix
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1156 Posts
November 07 2008 10:24 GMT
#23
On November 05 2008 11:38 TheFlashyOne wrote:
....That's why a first wave of 3 zeals would have been more effective...


you just dont have enough knowledge of tvp on blue storm, that's why your argument is completely wrong.
TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
November 07 2008 22:26 GMT
#24
On November 07 2008 19:24 hixhix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2008 11:38 TheFlashyOne wrote:
....That's why a first wave of 3 zeals would have been more effective...


you just dont have enough knowledge of tvp on blue storm, that's why your argument is completely wrong.


hum nope. sorry, im right
Don't Spend your Life Dreaming, Live your Dream
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