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Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
May 05 2008 17:09 GMT
#21
Anyways it if was an all-in strategy then by definition upon not working to win the game he should have lost, which he didn't...why? Because he had a followup. And having a followup means it's not all-in. People whine about cheeses and all-ins but analyzing your opponents play and countering it's weaknesses is not cheese. In the Longinus Draco vs Horror game, many many protosses go for a wall break early with 2 gate goon...leaving their main totally open. Making a proxy fac and exploiting this won Horror the game. But what does he get? A bunch of noobs in the comments thread calling him a cheeser and a loser noob. That's pretty dumb.
kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-05 18:48:56
May 05 2008 18:29 GMT
#22
I said I wouldnt post but I pulled a Testie...
So Gandalf, 4pool is perfect counter for 14cc and 14nex, is it a cheese ? Where do u draw the line...? I/we draw it here....

Also who are the noobs calling Horror noob ?
I have Sick Timing and UnReal Macro
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
May 05 2008 19:14 GMT
#23
On May 06 2008 03:29 kroko wrote:
I said I wouldnt post but I pulled a Testie...
So Gandalf, 4pool is perfect counter for 14cc and 14nex, is it a cheese ? Where do u draw the line...? I/we draw it here....

Also who are the noobs calling Horror noob ?


5 pool would get scouted and stopped by cannons before lings arrive

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Painbringer
Profile Joined March 2003
Norway446 Posts
May 05 2008 19:56 GMT
#24
awsome game, and I can`t describe how much I agree with Twisted in this discussion. sick of the same macro wars I find it much more exciting when people play like this especially when its an important match.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 05 2008 20:57 GMT
#25
i agree with twisted's sentiments except that he started with "starcraft sucks now" or w/e. He's being as dumb as those that call everything cheese there.
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
May 05 2008 21:02 GMT
#26
It sucks compared to what it was.

It doesn't suck on its own lol
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 06 2008 05:30 GMT
#27
that sounds like a guy who was around when it didnt "suck" and now comfortably bitches about the state of things while being relatively disconnected from it.

Think I got you pegged

Lemme tell you as a guy who played in the era you are speaking of and still currently plays: this game is amazing and it still makes me skip out on parties with girls just so i can sit on vent and laugh it up with my chums while we work on muta micro etc.
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
May 06 2008 08:28 GMT
#28
Naw, it's just my opinion that the game is less exciting now because everything is optimized and standarized.

Of course having it that way could be more fun for other people (or equally fun).

Though I am playing again on Iccup! Netherlands has WCG again :<
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 06 2008 09:04 GMT
#29
On May 06 2008 03:29 kroko wrote:
I said I wouldnt post but I pulled a Testie...
So Gandalf, 4pool is perfect counter for 14cc and 14nex, is it a cheese ? Where do u draw the line...? I/we draw it here....

Also who are the noobs calling Horror noob ?



if 4 pool doesnt work its gg
if 3 rax doesnt work....
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-08 04:14:13
May 06 2008 09:53 GMT
#30
This thread is so stupid. Sweet replay though. HoRRoR is like a German BoxeR. Thanks for the entertaining game.
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LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
May 06 2008 18:19 GMT
#31
I agree with kroko here for the simple fact that horror, as far as i can remember, hasn't played one single standard straight up game during the entire TSL-qualifiers.

Ah, yes, one of the games against ALF he did FE. But that game was a one sided rape.

I'm not saying it's lame to use non-standard semi all-in strats. But Horror looks awfully alot like a one trick pony doing it over and over and over again. It's unlikely he could keep up with Draco and the likes in terms of macro. He really only has one option... And it's one that is boring as hell after being repeated so often.

I found myself rooting against him in every game. The sad thing is that he will win less and less games as more and more players have his style pinned down. Unless he improves his macro builds and they truly become a viable option for him. But right now he's just plain predictable.

HoRRoR.T-ScT-
Profile Joined March 2007
Germany51 Posts
May 06 2008 20:46 GMT
#32
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
May 06 2008 21:42 GMT
#33
On May 07 2008 03:19 LaLuSh wrote:
I agree with kroko here for the simple fact that horror, as far as i can remember, hasn't played one single standard straight up game during the entire TSL-qualifiers.

Ah, yes, one of the games against ALF he did FE. But that game was a one sided rape.

I'm not saying it's lame to use non-standard semi all-in strats. But Horror looks awfully alot like a one trick pony doing it over and over and over again. It's unlikely he could keep up with Draco and the likes in terms of macro. He really only has one option... And it's one that is boring as hell after being repeated so often.

I found myself rooting against him in every game. The sad thing is that he will win less and less games as more and more players have his style pinned down. Unless he improves his macro builds and they truly become a viable option for him. But right now he's just plain predictable.


eh what
watch the games again, man

game 2 vs draco @ blue storm, he did a 2 fac build, building his 2nd fac a bit towards the back of his base. so because draco failed to properly scout horror's main it makes it non straight up?

game 3 vs draco @ zodiac, he played a standard 2 fac build

so basically you consider anything that is not 1 fac expansion non standard, "semi allin" (wtf does that even mean?).

rofl
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H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
May 06 2008 22:47 GMT
#34
On May 07 2008 06:42 Carnac wrote:
so basically you consider anything that is not 1 fac expansion non standard, "semi allin" (wtf does that even mean?).


Seriously, what the fuck is a semi all-in? That's a contradiction in itself.
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JOYRIDE
Profile Joined August 2005
United States46 Posts
May 07 2008 04:25 GMT
#35
I thought the killing of the kakaru in the beginning was hawt.
JOYRIDE
Profile Joined August 2005
United States46 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 04:48:31
May 07 2008 04:37 GMT
#36
On a more serious note, when ALF went to attack Horror with his hydra he left himself completely undefended. If Horror had used that time to kill as many drones as possible instead of targeting the spire I believe he could've won a lot more easily.
8882
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
2720 Posts
May 07 2008 21:45 GMT
#37
I really liked the game, that was probably one of the best replays I have seen during the last 3 months (the best would be the infested terran replay from WSL). This game was so great, because he didnt play like a mindless robot. I hate the standard builds.

I wonder, if his timing wasnt off a bit, however. I think he should have converted to goliaths much earlier


On May 07 2008 13:25 JOYRIDE wrote:
I thought the killing of the kakaru in the beginning was hawt.


That was so Boxer-ish :D
I have returned
eazo
Profile Joined March 2008
United States530 Posts
May 08 2008 02:56 GMT
#38
Killing the kakaru and using SCV's to kill invisible lurkers makes this game worth while to watch.

However, i was kind of mad that alf kept throwing hydra's at his expansion with like 6-8 tanks, as some one said, he should have secured the map instead :/
._.
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1133 Posts
May 08 2008 04:07 GMT
#39
Upmagic vs Jaedong gone wrong.
:D
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
May 08 2008 14:29 GMT
#40
On May 07 2008 06:42 Carnac wrote:
eh what
watch the games again, man

game 2 vs draco @ blue storm, he did a 2 fac build, building his 2nd fac a bit towards the back of his base. so because draco failed to properly scout horror's main it makes it non straight up?

game 3 vs draco @ zodiac, he played a standard 2 fac build

so basically you consider anything that is not 1 fac expansion non standard, "semi allin" (wtf does that even mean?).

rofl


Yes. I consider anything not a 1 fac expo build a non standard strategy. It is by far the most common build. Although moreso in Korea than in the foreign scene.

Yes. I watched the games. And I am somewhat familiar with horror previously. There would be no whining if it weren't for the fact that he always opts for the "semi all-in". Other players 2 fac all the time without the subsequent whine. The difference being that horror will start losing substantially more games after this TSL, when people begin adopting safe builds and a reasonable amount of paranoia towards him, whereas other players actually may benefit from being labeled as "unpredictable". I doubt horror would win against 2 gate range builds even if he succesfully managed to fast expand.

As to why I use the term semi all-in: It's not likely he will kill high profile opponents right away with those builds (and he knows it), but he has to do substantial damage to stand a chance mid-game. A true all-in build, to me, is more of the lines of center barracks. Where there is no plan to enter a mid or late game.

I apologize for using the made up term "semi all-in", since it doesn't make too much sense semantically...
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