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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
Also here is the list of ppl who were suprised that horror would try to "cheese"; Draco | ||
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
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rANDY
United Kingdom748 Posts
On May 05 2008 09:08 jtan wrote: you should probably add draco to that list kroko... lol | ||
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Aux1
United States780 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
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FalliNinLove
Slovakia865 Posts
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JohnnyCash
France244 Posts
On May 05 2008 19:57 FalliNinLove wrote: ya lol horror played amazing, the game on zodiac vs draco was tight i tought he might come back, and also this game was art, i am sick of all one rax exp lately, it was nice change Word. Now going 2 facts instead of fast expand is called "cheese"? | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
starcraft sucks nowadays someone does a fact lift on a map suitable for it to exploit his opponent's strategy and it's considered cheese. What the fuck, everyone quick expands nowadays and plays THE EXACT SAME. You finally have someone who plays differently than the GROSS mass and it's considered cheese and he's lame/unskilled. Fuck you. | ||
Ninja4ever.
France231 Posts
I'm proud that a good terran had the same idea. I like horror's style, no boring fast expo every game but he stills knows how to win macro game. That's the way I want to play too. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
Maybe I should have edit my comment to "Also here is the list of ppl who were suprised that horror would try to "cheap win". For some slow ppl... | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
On May 06 2008 00:47 kroko wrote: Ah forgot that, didnt memorize the obs, but my statement is all-in builds = cheese even if it fails, I am gonna stop posting cause this is just going to be arm-wrestle... i agree, every single game in starcraft should be played by 1rax expand vs 3 hatch muta every single time, trying to be creative and coming up with a counter-build is lame and for jerks | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On May 06 2008 00:47 kroko wrote: Ah forgot that, didnt memorize the obs, but my statement is all-in builds = cheese even if it fails, I am gonna stop posting cause this is just going to be arm-wrestle... The strats he's using aren't allin-strategies. | ||
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
So Gandalf, 4pool is perfect counter for 14cc and 14nex, is it a cheese ? Where do u draw the line...? I/we draw it here.... Also who are the noobs calling Horror noob ? | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On May 06 2008 03:29 kroko wrote: I said I wouldnt post but I pulled a Testie... So Gandalf, 4pool is perfect counter for 14cc and 14nex, is it a cheese ? Where do u draw the line...? I/we draw it here.... Also who are the noobs calling Horror noob ? 5 pool would get scouted and stopped by cannons before lings arrive  | ||
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Painbringer
Norway446 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
It doesn't suck on its own lol | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Think I got you pegged Lemme tell you as a guy who played in the era you are speaking of and still currently plays: this game is amazing and it still makes me skip out on parties with girls just so i can sit on vent and laugh it up with my chums while we work on muta micro etc. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Of course having it that way could be more fun for other people (or equally fun). Though I am playing again on Iccup! Netherlands has WCG again :< | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On May 06 2008 03:29 kroko wrote: I said I wouldnt post but I pulled a Testie... So Gandalf, 4pool is perfect counter for 14cc and 14nex, is it a cheese ? Where do u draw the line...? I/we draw it here.... Also who are the noobs calling Horror noob ? if 4 pool doesnt work its gg if 3 rax doesnt work.... | ||
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H
New Zealand6138 Posts
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
Ah, yes, one of the games against ALF he did FE. But that game was a one sided rape. I'm not saying it's lame to use non-standard semi all-in strats. But Horror looks awfully alot like a one trick pony doing it over and over and over again. It's unlikely he could keep up with Draco and the likes in terms of macro. He really only has one option... And it's one that is boring as hell after being repeated so often. I found myself rooting against him in every game. The sad thing is that he will win less and less games as more and more players have his style pinned down. Unless he improves his macro builds and they truly become a viable option for him. But right now he's just plain predictable. | ||
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HoRRoR.T-ScT-
Germany51 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On May 07 2008 03:19 LaLuSh wrote: I agree with kroko here for the simple fact that horror, as far as i can remember, hasn't played one single standard straight up game during the entire TSL-qualifiers. Ah, yes, one of the games against ALF he did FE. But that game was a one sided rape. I'm not saying it's lame to use non-standard semi all-in strats. But Horror looks awfully alot like a one trick pony doing it over and over and over again. It's unlikely he could keep up with Draco and the likes in terms of macro. He really only has one option... And it's one that is boring as hell after being repeated so often. I found myself rooting against him in every game. The sad thing is that he will win less and less games as more and more players have his style pinned down. Unless he improves his macro builds and they truly become a viable option for him. But right now he's just plain predictable. eh what watch the games again, man game 2 vs draco @ blue storm, he did a 2 fac build, building his 2nd fac a bit towards the back of his base. so because draco failed to properly scout horror's main it makes it non straight up? game 3 vs draco @ zodiac, he played a standard 2 fac build so basically you consider anything that is not 1 fac expansion non standard, "semi allin" (wtf does that even mean?). rofl | ||
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H
New Zealand6138 Posts
On May 07 2008 06:42 Carnac wrote: so basically you consider anything that is not 1 fac expansion non standard, "semi allin" (wtf does that even mean?). Seriously, what the fuck is a semi all-in? That's a contradiction in itself. | ||
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JOYRIDE
United States46 Posts
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JOYRIDE
United States46 Posts
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8882
2720 Posts
I wonder, if his timing wasnt off a bit, however. I think he should have converted to goliaths much earlier On May 07 2008 13:25 JOYRIDE wrote: I thought the killing of the kakaru in the beginning was hawt. That was so Boxer-ish :D | ||
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eazo
United States530 Posts
However, i was kind of mad that alf kept throwing hydra's at his expansion with like 6-8 tanks, as some one said, he should have secured the map instead :/ | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
On May 07 2008 06:42 Carnac wrote: eh what watch the games again, man game 2 vs draco @ blue storm, he did a 2 fac build, building his 2nd fac a bit towards the back of his base. so because draco failed to properly scout horror's main it makes it non straight up? game 3 vs draco @ zodiac, he played a standard 2 fac build so basically you consider anything that is not 1 fac expansion non standard, "semi allin" (wtf does that even mean?). rofl Yes. I consider anything not a 1 fac expo build a non standard strategy. It is by far the most common build. Although moreso in Korea than in the foreign scene. Yes. I watched the games. And I am somewhat familiar with horror previously. There would be no whining if it weren't for the fact that he always opts for the "semi all-in". Other players 2 fac all the time without the subsequent whine. The difference being that horror will start losing substantially more games after this TSL, when people begin adopting safe builds and a reasonable amount of paranoia towards him, whereas other players actually may benefit from being labeled as "unpredictable". I doubt horror would win against 2 gate range builds even if he succesfully managed to fast expand. As to why I use the term semi all-in: It's not likely he will kill high profile opponents right away with those builds (and he knows it), but he has to do substantial damage to stand a chance mid-game. A true all-in build, to me, is more of the lines of center barracks. Where there is no plan to enter a mid or late game. I apologize for using the made up term "semi all-in", since it doesn't make too much sense semantically... | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
On May 08 2008 23:29 LaLuSh wrote: Yes. I consider anything not a 1 fac expo build a non standard strategy. ...and that is where I stopped caring what you have to say. Also, "semi-allin" is already a word. It would be called an aggressive build. | ||
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H
New Zealand6138 Posts
On May 08 2008 23:29 LaLuSh wrote: Yes. I consider anything not a 1 fac expo build a non standard strategy. Stopped reading here. Started giggling instead. | ||
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
Keep spamming posts with 0 input in every possible topic, I think u can make 1k before sunday . | ||
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H
New Zealand6138 Posts
On May 09 2008 02:26 kroko wrote: Keep spamming posts with 0 input in every possible topic, I think u can make 1k before sunday .Your post wasn't worth giving input to. -_- | ||
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HoRRoR.T-ScT-
Germany51 Posts
On May 08 2008 23:29 LaLuSh wrote: Yes. I consider anything not a 1 fac expo build a non standard strategy. oh come on thats just too stupid.. if you think something like that then "your" starcraft is really dead. only one tactic for a matchup? oh well, lets see how long the replaywatchers will accept that rofl.. and you might think that this is the only thing that I can play but actually you're wrong. Garimto said in one interview that it's important to do "suprising" tactics if you want to be successful for a long time. I can play my "suprising" strategies as well as a 1fac fe opening, as you might have seen in the LoW vs Russia yesterday. But well.., you shouldn't be so conservative about strategies, it's all about fun and how to suprise the enemy with unexpected things. | ||
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hixhix
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mcmascote
Brazil1575 Posts
On May 09 2008 04:40 hixhix wrote: lol, just watched this replay. Anyone who calls this cheese or all-in is seriously dumb as fuck, period. period. I repeat: dumb as fuck. | ||
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