EPTBoth commentators on the TSL are awesome(ascencion is great too), and I just hope they will both loosen up
i will be eagerly waiting for TSL 2.0!
My view on TSL
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
Both commentators on the TSL are awesome(ascencion is great too), and I just hope they will both loosen up i will be eagerly waiting for TSL 2.0! | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
When is TSL 2?! :O | ||
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
this really brought some players into the limelight. the production value was really good, although i kinda hoped for more as the TSL progressed for me, things kinda peaked early. i loved the ro16, but my excitement started to fade after that. i didnt even watch the last two weekends live. couldve used more promotion within the site, such as posters, bios, etc, given the scope of the project all in all, excellent. the commentator combinations were experimented a lot, but i found that chill+artosis was my favorite. obs did a good job keeping pace with the action, and although there were times where i notice things on the minimap and he was off doing something else, i think the optimistic view would be that he wasnt going so fast that people wouldnt be able to follow. | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2748 Posts
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
This whole project has been nothing but one great league. I care mostly about korean leagues so i do admit i wasn't watching all the time. But when i had the time i was impressed by how well you set everything up. I think you found the perfect balance and solution to host a major foreign tournament online where (mostly) everyone was able to participate and you stired up so much interest that oldskool and newskool players gave it a shot. While for me teamliquid allways stood for korean progaming you now managed to build up a platform that has value and prestige for the foreign scene. Keep on moving teamliquid. (Well i guess we all know you do, that's how good you are!) Congratulations!! | ||
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leviathan400
United Kingdom393 Posts
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mrcheese
49 Posts
there were also too many streaming difficulties, stream was down and crashed way too often. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Ra vs Idra Dreiven vs mondi Draco vs Ief Some of Brat and Dinot games were really cool too. | ||
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
On June 05 2008 00:42 mrcheese wrote: is it possbile to cast something live too ? tsl2 finals for example there were also too many streaming difficulties, stream was down and crashed way too often. live is too hard to do which was already answered somewhere =p i forgot zhi reasoN! and yeah streaming difficulties but whatever at least they were fixed in about 5 minutes | ||
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qet
Australia244 Posts
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On June 05 2008 00:42 mrcheese wrote: is it possbile to cast something live too ? tsl2 finals for example there were also too many streaming difficulties, stream was down and crashed way too often. Yeah, we won't rely on free Microsoft software next time. | ||
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eazo
United States530 Posts
I definently think that the foreign scene needed this. Many of the players who partook in the TSL were not widely known and went into this whole deal with only a hope and a fast reaction time. Many of them came out as superstars in the scene (JF, Brat, among some) and that is excellent for the scene and for other aspiring players. | ||
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byron
Angola21 Posts
On June 05 2008 00:42 mrcheese wrote: there were also too many streaming difficulties, stream was down and crashed way too often. This makes me pretty angry because you're full of it. The stream was down maybe 5 times over the month of TSL broadcasts and only once (on the final broadcast) was it down long and that was only around 10 minutes.. I wish you'd stop manufacturing issues to pad your post. | ||
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Ravloo
United States145 Posts
All in all the TSL project was an amazing success and I was very impressed with the organization and execution. As far as the stream downtime, yes there were issues, but this was only the first of many to come. I have full confidence that R1CH and any other techies will make the process smoother for future events. But this seems like a good TSL constructive criticism thread so here is my feedback: - The commentators did a great job - Chill, Artosis seemed to cast the majority of games and the analysis they provided (along with Day) was very good. However I DO agree that enthusiasm could be taken up a notch-if you're commentating on future events I think a good way to practice would be to watch other well known commentators-even if it's basketball or football-whatever. Analyze and learn how they 'elicit the wow.' Also some more humor would be nice too, I think Yannis did a nice job with this. This would help retain the audience's attention at times-like the first 2-3 minutes of the game. - I liked the live interviews and would like to see more of them. - I noticed the observer not showing what I want to see sometimes - OK that's always going to be an element, but I think quicker movements sometimes would be nice. There were a few times where plays were completely missed - like critical storm drops. Also, making a habit of selecting units more so we can see their HP/upgrades often would be nice. That aside, the event really hyped me up and I'm really looking forward to the next! | ||
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JoxxOr
Sweden1502 Posts
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Dynamo
United States3 Posts
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
On June 05 2008 03:50 eazo wrote: Personally, i loved chill and artosis' casting. They were very informative and knew the game inside and out. (however it of course wouldn't hurt to yell a little more) I definently think that the foreign scene needed this. Many of the players who partook in the TSL were not widely known and went into this whole deal with only a hope and a fast reaction time. Many of them came out as superstars in the scene (JF, Brat, among some) and that is excellent for the scene and for other aspiring players. tbh, team liquid attack was also a great stepping stone. every player that appeared on TLA, i cheered for in the TSL, because i knew who they were from their appearance on the show, and how good they were | ||
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
On June 05 2008 05:45 Dynamo wrote: Am I alone in the opinion that I don't want the commentators to be like Tasteless if they aren't like that? I think the chill artosis combo is great - and I think they are both enthusiastic. They're not yelling or raising their voices.. but that doesnt mean there is no enthusiasm. Anything different would seem faked and annoying. I agree it CAN seem to be fake, but then again, good narration does not allow this to get the viewer. I personally like Artosis and Chill as much as I do Tasteless, but I do think tasteless is more energetic sometimes (for me, this is good) and I would just like these two to work on this thats all. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27147 Posts
Doing that is a far cry from sitting by yourself in your room, moving the screen yourself, and monitoring IRC. I personally think Chill and Artosis did a great job, especially considering the audience. I think more enthusiasm could be injected, but you have to keep in mind the amount of practice they had and their setup. Obviously we played around with the combinations a bit to find a good one. I dropped out early because, quite frankly, I could not do a good job at 4:30am. I'm not sure I would try and change the commentary next time around tbh. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
For the next TSL i would love to see more hype, writeups/reviews, artwork, miscellanious contests and so on. I really think this spices things up, although there was alot of that stuff for this TSL, i would say things were a bit inconsistent. | ||
Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
I know I have a lot to improve on. It's hard for me to get excited. Don't know why, it just always has been this way and probably always will. It's funny - I was getting pretty worried about it, because there was a lot of criticism about the lack of enthusiasm. So I would try my best to sound very excited. And I would remember a particular game like "Wow that was amazing, I was super excited when that happened." Then I would rewatch the TSL VODs and it sounds like I'm falling asleep. Either way, it was a lot of fun. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
the closer the audience feels to the player, the more involved they become in the league, the closer they follow it, the more likely they are to watch, etc. | ||
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BG1
Canada1550 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On June 05 2008 06:30 Chill wrote: There's also the fact that I live with 2 other people. I felt like a big nerd the first cast yelling while they were home, but I got over it pretty quickly by the finals. I know I have a lot to improve on. It's hard for me to get excited. Don't know why, it just always has been this way and probably always will. It's funny - I was getting pretty worried about it, because there was a lot of criticism about the lack of enthusiasm. So I would try my best to sound very excited. And I would remember a particular game like "Wow that was amazing, I was super excited when that happened." Then I would rewatch the TSL VODs and it sounds like I'm falling asleep. Either way, it was a lot of fun. ahaha, nerd~ | ||
Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
In the last games of the finals, I though Chill was going to have a heartattack, he was getting so excited. You could clearly hear how excited he was, yet he never shouted or said anything nonsensical, he kept on commentating. I'd really much rather listen to that than to Chill repeating something pointless for excitement. Rather than lacking in enthusiasm, I think Chill/Artosis just have a different style of commentating, a style which I definitely prefer. If enough people want an exciting style commentator, we might need to look to incorporate someone with that exciting style, but if people like the style as it is then you'll just have to accept that it's not something "lacking" in the commentators, but it's rather a difference in preference. I prefer it this way, but we'll see what we can do. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
I love the Artosis/Chill/(+Day) combination with a passion. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
And god dammit DT opening is viable. ig9iaj9-4gkogpkgl | ||
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Ethenielle
Norway1006 Posts
edit: err. what daigomi said  | ||
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lejason
57 Posts
is that being considered or figured out for future TSL? | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 05 2008 12:40 lejason wrote: If you can offer some tangible advantages over...i wish the games were live, atleast the finals like in team liquid attack. maybe just put a delay on it or put some other precaution to prevent cheating is that being considered or figured out for future TSL?
so yea im eager to hear your advantages | ||
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Ravloo
United States145 Posts
On June 05 2008 05:45 Dynamo wrote: Am I alone in the opinion that I don't want the commentators to be like Tasteless if they aren't like that? I think the chill artosis combo is great - and I think they are both enthusiastic. They're not yelling or raising their voices.. but that doesnt mean there is no enthusiasm. Anything different would seem faked and annoying. Please don't take my last post the wrong way-I really did like all the commentators. For me personally, I was extremely hyped during the games. One reason I think the more 'yelling' would benefit the whole is for people who aren't as die-hard sc fans or don't know the strategy as well as a lot of the people watching. One of my goals is to get people who aren't into e-sports per se to be able to watch a game and enjoy it, even if they haven't played much sc at all. So yeah, 'fake' enthusiasm I agree is not good, but maybe having a great analyst like Art or Chill commentate with a 'hype guy' would be something to consider. Chill, I think you should make it your goal to get your roommates into TSL | ||
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drift0ut
United Kingdom691 Posts
it might be nice to include the Chinese, but they might dominate, i don't know and lag issues etc. i agree with daigomi about the casters, i want analysis not to hear how amazed they are. Also some games aren't that exciting and i wouldn't want them to get hyped about a bad game. I think if you watch enough that you can say that some games are bad, it shows a maturity and understanding that i respect more (in a sound bite: praise from a harsh critic means it's really praiseworthy). Oh and i'd like to have a different team of post match analysis from the in game casters, they get the time to say what they think in the game so don't have too much to add before and after. A between game panel gives the option for guest comments without disrupting the setup and a wider set of opinions. Also listening to the same voice for 5 hours grates even if it is the sweetest voice in the world and i'm sure they wouldn't mind a few moments off to stretch or something. i had a lot of problems with the stream lagging, in the finals i couldn't watch for more than a minute without it freezing and reloading, i guess that's a problem at my end but maybe not. Aesthetically i prefer my tournaments to start with a group stage instead of a single elim, instant knockout is too random and it looks like you're in a hurry to get rid of players and provide tension, rather than determine who is best. I know the ladder and all the qualifying stages do this but _the_ TSL doesn't, I'd like you to start calling it the TSL and broadcasting at the round of 32. You could still do it over a weekend or 2 by not showing all the games, say pick the best 4 groups then show all 5 matches from that group, and release the others as VODs with maybe a different set of casters (just so they dont get board casting upto 120 games in the first round). But yeah i loved the TSL, of course the play isn't on the same level as the top pros but the players have a more distinct personalities, at least to me not knowing any korean, so i can follow it easier. The art team and interviews really made a huge difference. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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lejason
57 Posts
On June 05 2008 12:51 Plexa wrote: If you can offer some tangible advantages over...
so yea im eager to hear your advantages heh i just asked if it was being considered no need for sarcasm. my view is i'd be nice to have it live cause you know its happening then and there. it would be nice to have it live for the same reason why anything live is exciting, like the koreans, or like your watching the superbowl with your buddies knowing the action is happening right then and there. those other features are nice too, but when i'm watching the games i'd rather look at what's happening on the screen and listening to the great commentators then worrying or caring about the amount of minerals that the players have, and i'm sure the casual watchers don't care much for that either. i'd sacrifice all those features and replace them with live anyday. even just seeing the gg pop up on the screen is cool. if its not possible then w/e, it's obv still a great event. | ||
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ibutoss
Australia341 Posts
Regarding the commentary enthusiasm and flare, I think is what was missing. Have some fun with it and relax more. Best of luck with the next TSL | ||
Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
I loved the commentaries and wouldn't change it. | ||
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
On June 05 2008 14:28 lejason wrote: heh i just asked if it was being considered no need for sarcasm. my view is i'd be nice to have it live cause you know its happening then and there. it would be nice to have it live for the same reason why anything live is exciting, like the koreans, or like your watching the superbowl with your buddies knowing the action is happening right then and there. those other features are nice too, but when i'm watching the games i'd rather look at what's happening on the screen and listening to the great commentators then worrying or caring about the amount of minerals that the players have, and i'm sure the casual watchers don't care much for that either. i'd sacrifice all those features and replace them with live anyday. even just seeing the gg pop up on the screen is cool. if its not possible then w/e, it's obv still a great event. that wasnt sarcasm. this is: like the koreans? yeah, just like the koreans all the TSL players are situated in the same building in the same city in the same nation on the same side of the world! if it wasnt revealed that these were replays, very few wouldve noticed or cared. and your point about amount of minerals is moot - you know that isnt the focus at all. thats one of the neat little features from the way its broadcasted, but hardly a reason for it. so yes, i know what youre going at, but for an INTERNATIONAL event like this and the resources available, its just not feasible. | ||
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
Question being: how often are there going to be TSL? If it is too often (say 3-4 times a year), I don't know if there will be the enthusiasm and interest to keep things fresh in the smaller foreign community. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13005 Posts
I agree with the op about the commentary though. Artosis and Chill (I think it was CHill?) are both very knowledgeable about BW, but they somewhat lack in the delivery. It would be great to have another commentator who is good at calling the game as it happens with some flair and excitement. Chill and Artosis would complement a commentator like this with they're superb knowledge and it would keep the cast interesting. Best example here: Kim Dong Soooooo! | ||
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