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Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 00:40:29
August 04 2009 00:39 GMT
#101
Since day1 and day2 are not identical, your formula is quite wrong.

And well, of course it's a proof. It's a proof that describes the notion that whoever wins the super ace wins the series.
Wow. How long did it take you to figure that out?
Gustav_Wind
Profile Joined July 2008
United States646 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 01:04:26
August 04 2009 00:58 GMT
#102
On August 04 2009 09:39 Dagobert wrote:
Since day1 and day2 are not identical, your formula is quite wrong.

And well, of course it's a proof. It's a proof that describes the notion that whoever wins the super ace wins the series.
Wow. How long did it take you to figure that out?


The fact that the percentages for day 1 and 2 are different is a nitpick really. Replace the p variable with p1 and p2 and nothing really changes. the result is the same.

On a more theoretical level, using one percentage for both days is correct if you think about it from the point of view of before the lineups for the two have been decided. You can still assign a theoretical single winning percentage by accounting for all possible combinations of lineups and the probabilities of each occurring.

Also, the proof describes that Super Ace favors teams with better aces more than the single Bo7 format. That's a non-trivial result.I thought the result was obvious as well, but if you go back and read StarBrift's post you will see that not everyone agrees. I'm not posting a proof for no reason here.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 01:25:16
August 04 2009 01:14 GMT
#103
On August 04 2009 06:46 ShAsTa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2009 06:34 FreeDoM[YA] wrote:
On August 03 2009 04:16 uglymoose89 wrote:
On August 03 2009 01:52 GGQ wrote:
No. It's a bad format for proleague, which shouldn't put such emphasis on a single star player.


This

+1. I've never liked that one game decides everything, it seems really... off to me.


Honestly, they should get rid of ace matches. Just play the Bo7 all over again if it's 3-3

Gustav's right, but bear in mind that the difference will still be very small for a team like Oz vs CJ or SKT due to the fact that their probability to win a Bo7 is very small and the chance of JD winning an ace match isn't guaranteed.
Jaedong
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
August 04 2009 02:48 GMT
#104
Just force a random Ace from the players that actually played in each team. That forces less "one mans" teams and no Ace sniping.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
August 04 2009 04:45 GMT
#105
I like the excitement it creates, but i don't think it's fair or that it represent the team league idea.

Bring back Winners League format. Sniping, map decisions, who to send first. Way more cool!
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Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
August 04 2009 04:51 GMT
#106
On August 03 2009 01:30 tirentu wrote:
Yes.

Why?

JAEDONG.


QFT
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 04 2009 05:09 GMT
#107
On August 04 2009 13:45 IntoTheWow wrote:
I like the excitement it creates, but i don't think it's fair or that it represent the team league idea.

Bring back Winners League format. Sniping, map decisions, who to send first. Way more cool!

Starcraft's main foundation is 1v1. A true team league is impossible given the current progame teams and will actually distort the relative strengths of each team for it to happen.
Jaedong
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 04 2009 09:56 GMT
#108
ofc no

like one game decide the whole series ? ... if this was like bo3 it would be good , but bo1 ? ...

suckz big time
T H C makes ppl happy
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
August 04 2009 12:27 GMT
#109
No I don't.
750/750 emotions fully stacked
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 04 2009 17:57 GMT
#110
PEOPLE Single games have decided series EVER SINCE BoX Series existed. They're called ACE MATCHES.
Jaedong
Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
August 04 2009 18:17 GMT
#111
they should make the super ace a 4v4 game.
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
August 04 2009 18:52 GMT
#112
Winnersleauge 10x better
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6178 Posts
August 04 2009 19:04 GMT
#113
no

bo3 > Super Ace
n_n
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
August 04 2009 20:40 GMT
#114
On August 05 2009 03:17 Presony-Boy wrote:
they should make the super ace a 4v4 game.

On fastest space
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
August 04 2009 21:24 GMT
#115
Winners leauge is the best , but this is better than the original.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
August 04 2009 22:12 GMT
#116
On August 04 2009 11:48 Malongo wrote:
Just force a random Ace from the players that actually played in each team. That forces less "one mans" teams and no Ace sniping.


lol
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Alsar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States130 Posts
August 04 2009 23:25 GMT
#117
It'd be better if it was a bo3 with 3 bo7's total if needed. Though that would make each stage in the playoffs take even longer.

I don't see how Winner's League is any different than this format for putting emphasis on star players rather than team depth. You had jaedong all-killing everyone in WL also, so it's not much different. Not saying WL wasn't really fun and exciting, but I just don't get why some people are trying to say that it put more emphasis on team depth.
ggnet)mOnion
Profile Joined June 2009
United States72 Posts
August 04 2009 23:59 GMT
#118
fingerbooooooooooooooooooooom
KINETICAAAAAAAAAA
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
August 05 2009 02:10 GMT
#119
If they keep it two days, should just do overall wins from the two days. If its tied, then super ace. =\
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
August 05 2009 02:13 GMT
#120
On August 03 2009 02:52 Nylan wrote:
Full of lamesauce. Bo3 Bo7 plz kthx



Yeah, this is all i want lol
No no no no its not mine!
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