Power Rank 03/04/2009 - Page 11

On March 09 2009 08:23 Signet wrote:
CNBC is BackHo. Now that he can't play, he's been reading strategy guides, so when he comes back those great mechanics will finally be backing up sensible strategies. Starcraft world, get ready to receive your next bonjwa.

On March 09 2009 04:51 Polar_Bear wrote:
This has been the best for a long time, gj!!
Can't wait to see the CBNC.

@Geo: I don't believe anyone has >500 apm
I think around 400 is the highest ever reached, anything above 300 for Z or P and above 350 for T is very very rare.
Also apm is not the best indicator for skill. Some players were great though they had relatively low apm (Savior around 230-250, Nal_rA around 200-250).
edit: Could you tell me were you read this?

On March 09 2009 05:52 fanatacist wrote:

APM isn't everything, just because he can spam a bit faster and more consistently than anyone else doesn't mean anything really.

On March 09 2009 21:07 Geo.Rion wrote:


right, i should have posted the link form the start:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=89072

i dont know if the pictures loads for you, they did for me last time, but now they dont. There you can see statistics of by.hero vs Leta, Hwasin, Fantasy and i dont know who more, including highest/average/lowest APM and whatnot, i cant read Korean

ANd btw Flash, Jaedong are above 400, Bisu is around 400 too, and strangely enough they are the best represantive of thier races. Is true that players with significantly less APM put up results, well at least in the recent history of progaming (Stork most recently) but as Stork claims, it's more and more about speed nowadays

On March 10 2009 01:04 samachking wrote:


Nope. Flash has around 280-320, his apm is not over 400. Nada has above 400 apm but flash uses a macromanagement style that requires less apm, Stork has around 280 and Bisu is around 370-400 since he uses a harass intensive style and Jaedong has above 400.

On March 10 2009 01:09 Geo.Rion wrote:



from where did you get these statistics? About stork, jaedong and bisu are what i just said, but i'm quite sure i saw some stats where Flash had 400+. And Nada is really that fast? i didnt know that. Maybe that was TvZ and his other Mus are slower or idk

On March 10 2009 03:48 brjdrb wrote:

nada has always been known for his extremely fast hands

On March 10 2009 08:42 latent wrote:
Umm...Bisu's APM is NOT 370-400. He's protoss. Protoss generally have low APM. I remember watching a b.net attack episode where they talked about his low APM. He actually has a relatively low APM even for a Protoss user. He's in the lower 200s. He tried to maximize his APM on a particular program without worrying about microing well, and barely broke 300. Part of what makes him so great is his incredible game sense. You could clearly see it in his game vs. Nada, where he just 'maphacked' and perfectly predicted when and where Nada would send a dropship full of vultures, without ever spotting a starport.

One of the things about zerg players is how difficult it is to control so many units with a 12 unit per group count. Their lives will become much easier with SC2.

On March 10 2009 08:45 Mooncat wrote:


You did read that translated Stork interview before posting, did you?

On March 10 2009 08:42 latent wrote:
Umm...Bisu's APM is NOT 370-400. He's protoss. Protoss generally have low APM. I remember watching a b.net attack episode where they talked about his low APM. He actually has a relatively low APM even for a Protoss user. He's in the lower 200s. He tried to maximize his APM on a particular program without worrying about microing well, and barely broke 300. Part of what makes him so great is his incredible game sense. You could clearly see it in his game vs. Nada, where he just 'maphacked' and perfectly predicted when and where Nada would send a dropship full of vultures, without ever spotting a starport.

One of the things about zerg players is how difficult it is to control so many units with a 12 unit per group count. Their lives will become much easier with SC2.

On March 10 2009 08:42 latent wrote:
Umm...Bisu's APM is NOT 370-400. He's protoss. Protoss generally have low APM. I remember watching a b.net attack episode where they talked about his low APM. He actually has a relatively low APM even for a Protoss user. He's in the lower 200s. He tried to maximize his APM on a particular program without worrying about microing well, and barely broke 300. Part of what makes him so great is his incredible game sense. You could clearly see it in his game vs. Nada, where he just 'maphacked' and perfectly predicted when and where Nada would send a dropship full of vultures, without ever spotting a starport.

One of the things about zerg players is how difficult it is to control so many units with a 12 unit per group count. Their lives will become much easier with SC2.

On March 10 2009 09:17 LucasWoJ wrote:
For whatever reason, I remember Bisu's APM being around 300-320 when he beat savior, but it's tremendously improved. After the OSL game, his was shown to be around 370-380 (don't recall precisely). After his injury before (or at the beginning) of summer, I think he even said in an interview that it sunk as low as 270-280 per game. Clearly he's been able to recover quite well.