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GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
March 10 2009 03:09 GMT
#221
I have a great idea. Instead of doing a subjective power rank, lets just collect top players replays and do a rank based on APM! It would be so much more accurate!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-10 04:49:14
March 10 2009 04:47 GMT
#222
On March 10 2009 11:53 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2009 08:42 latent wrote:
Umm...Bisu's APM is NOT 370-400. He's protoss. Protoss generally have low APM. I remember watching a b.net attack episode where they talked about his low APM. He actually has a relatively low APM even for a Protoss user. He's in the lower 200s. He tried to maximize his APM on a particular program without worrying about microing well, and barely broke 300. Part of what makes him so great is his incredible game sense. You could clearly see it in his game vs. Nada, where he just 'maphacked' and perfectly predicted when and where Nada would send a dropship full of vultures, without ever spotting a starport.

One of the things about zerg players is how difficult it is to control so many units with a 12 unit per group count. Their lives will become much easier with SC2.

Please... Please stop... I can't read... Any more... T_T

So... terrible...

LOL, yeah. I remember they showed stats after a Bisu vs Stork game. I think it was in the osl. Bisu had 428 APM and Stork had 280, haha.

Anyway, the only good player I know with APM anywhere near the low 200s was Savior, but he's not really good anymore.

EDIT: Basically, saying Bisu has really low APM, or every protoss has low APM is just ridiculous, and I don't know how one can some up with these ideas.
GANDHISAUCE
traced
Profile Joined October 2007
1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-10 05:12:21
March 10 2009 05:11 GMT
#223
latent on bnet attack an announcer commented on bisu's apm and said something like it was the fastest he's ever seen, >400, but now when he plays against terran it seems lower (this was right after he losta gainst luxury in the osl). i think bisu said something about maximizing the value of each action which is why it was lower, and that he's always looking to improve this aspect
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-10 05:25:04
March 10 2009 05:24 GMT
#224
Guys, stop shitting on latent right fucking now. He's wrong, but that's not an excuse for 10 terrible posts about it.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 10 2009 11:12 GMT
#225
too much post about apm indeed, my point was that it seems that we might have a rising zerg for real this time (not like, magma, thezerg and all those hyped zergs)
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
March 10 2009 11:50 GMT
#226
On March 10 2009 20:12 Geo.Rion wrote:
too much post about apm indeed, my point was that it seems that we might have a rising zerg for real this time (not like, magma, thezerg and all those hyped zergs)


I think your point got lost in all that clutter, but are you talking about by.hero?


I'm still waiting for true breakout moments for Effort, Great, and Calm.
Cheese is good for you!
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 10 2009 12:49 GMT
#227
On March 10 2009 20:50 Scamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2009 20:12 Geo.Rion wrote:
too much post about apm indeed, my point was that it seems that we might have a rising zerg for real this time (not like, magma, thezerg and all those hyped zergs)


I think your point got lost in all that clutter, but are you talking about by.hero?


I'm still waiting for true breakout moments for Effort, Great, and Calm.


yep, i'm talking about by.hero. And i assumed he gonna be great based on his recent OSL games, and the interview with Khan players, which i linked
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
March 10 2009 14:07 GMT
#228
I'm not sure about by.hero. Fantasy made it to the finals last season and haven't done too much since then. And by.hero isn't even a big factor in STX's WL. Although I guess it's to be expected given their deep lineup.

Oh, and it's not exactly a big deal that Stork would prefer Hwasin over him. Stork's confidence towards his PvT vs PvZ is so wide that he just might fear Hyuk more than Flash.
Meh
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 10 2009 15:26 GMT
#229
On March 10 2009 23:07 baubo wrote:
I'm not sure about by.hero. Fantasy made it to the finals last season and haven't done too much since then. And by.hero isn't even a big factor in STX's WL. Although I guess it's to be expected given their deep lineup.

Oh, and it's not exactly a big deal that Stork would prefer Hwasin over him. Stork's confidence towards his PvT vs PvZ is so wide that he just might fear Hyuk more than Flash.


i m not looking forward for by.hero beacause Stork fears him but beacause Stork said that APM means more and more, and by.hero got some insanely high one. And he's 3-0 right now against Bisu, the best protoss, and beat terrans like Leta, Hwasin, Fantasy... In WL he isnt performint well at all, but he didnt really had the chanse to do so either. He was sent out twice i think. And i liek the guy, he's an adorable little kid, liek a teddy bear or idk
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7819 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-11 00:40:01
March 11 2009 00:38 GMT
#230
So here's a question for PR potential next month that I think is interesting because the situation doesn't happen to often. (A star player out of both SL in a PL/WL playoff for their team)

What does Flash have to do in the WL playoffs to stay in the top tier for next month? Now that he is out of both leagues, what are you expectations for KTF v SKT (or KTF v Lecaf/CJ)? Now only practicing for WL, does Flash have to carry KTF to the championship in order to prove his ability? Does the WL Final/Playoff spot even mean anything to you, or are you already putting Flash off your radar until the next season of individual leagues starts?

Personally, I think if Flash made some kind of miracle team carry into 1st place for the WL and his run was of high quality, that he should hit number one on the PR (assuming Bisu or Jaedong don't do anything truly amazing in the OSL.) A good run will keep him even for me, and a crash and burn would put him around number 8 on the rank.

In my mind Flash could show he's a champion by taking KTF to the top (KTF in 1st would show Flash's ability... because KTF isn't ever first in anything) and although I bet he won't, I think it's worth discussion ahead of time now that he is out of both leagues.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
March 11 2009 00:51 GMT
#231
If he carries his team, I don't think he should fall off the radar, or lose any ground in the Power Rank. But at the same time, I don't think there will be any case made for him to be #1 or #2, especially considering that the OSL and MSL semifinals are getting close (and therefore OSL and MSL finals).
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
brjdrb
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States577 Posts
March 11 2009 03:59 GMT
#232
he's definitely not off the radar. yes, individual league games are the most important, but so is the quality of the games played. if flash shows his regular godly play, then it doesn't really matter if he's doing it in the osl or the WL playoffs (though those are relatively important as well, for the teams at least). i agree that he probably won't be in the top 4, but there is no way that he'll drop off the PR, or even go below 8 imo. unless of course he doesn't play well
Stork's biggest fan
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
March 11 2009 04:41 GMT
#233
Why is FakeSteve a Stork hater?
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
March 11 2009 06:09 GMT
#234
I'm one of the biggest Stork fans and I can't disagree with Fakesteve's analysis of him. The thing about Stork is that just when you think he's going to roll over everyone, he goes into the crapper. And just when you're about to write him off, he pulls wins out of his ass.

Because Stork relies so much on preparation, his game quality fluctuates so heavily you sometimes wonder if it's a split personality in there.
Meh
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 11 2009 06:27 GMT
#235
On March 11 2009 09:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
So here's a question for PR potential next month that I think is interesting because the situation doesn't happen to often. (A star player out of both SL in a PL/WL playoff for their team)

What does Flash have to do in the WL playoffs to stay in the top tier for next month? Now that he is out of both leagues, what are you expectations for KTF v SKT (or KTF v Lecaf/CJ)? Now only practicing for WL, does Flash have to carry KTF to the championship in order to prove his ability? Does the WL Final/Playoff spot even mean anything to you, or are you already putting Flash off your radar until the next season of individual leagues starts?

Personally, I think if Flash made some kind of miracle team carry into 1st place for the WL and his run was of high quality, that he should hit number one on the PR (assuming Bisu or Jaedong don't do anything truly amazing in the OSL.) A good run will keep him even for me, and a crash and burn would put him around number 8 on the rank.

In my mind Flash could show he's a champion by taking KTF to the top (KTF in 1st would show Flash's ability... because KTF isn't ever first in anything) and although I bet he won't, I think it's worth discussion ahead of time now that he is out of both leagues.


Assert domination over lesser players in the WL playoffs. That will preserve Flash's hide. He's already looking better again, he played great against Much, but with the benefit of practicing nothing but PvT Andromeda for a week, Much's build order was vastly superior. He defended very patiently too, really well played by him.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-11 06:57:02
March 11 2009 06:56 GMT
#236
CBNC is up, buuuuuusy week
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
March 11 2009 07:05 GMT
#237
On March 04 2009 23:06 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
free: free still sucks, get used to it.
i demand at least as many flames for this as i got
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
March 11 2009 07:14 GMT
#238
On March 11 2009 16:05 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2009 23:06 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
free: free still sucks, get used to it.
i demand at least as many flames for this as i got


LOL.
Good cbnc Steve, everything is pretty much covered. This weeks OSL and MSL games will definitly have a huge impact on next months rank. Combined with WL playoffs, this is gonna be a great month of starcraft.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-11 08:45:02
March 11 2009 08:44 GMT
#239
On March 11 2009 15:56 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
CBNC is up, buuuuuusy week


What about Nada ? He went 2 - 3 against the strongest PvTer ever , well i don't know if that is enough for CBNC .
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 11 2009 08:51 GMT
#240
On March 11 2009 17:44 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2009 15:56 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
CBNC is up, buuuuuusy week


What about Nada ? He went 2 - 3 against the strongest PvTer ever , well i don't know if that is enough for CBNC .


You want the real reason Sea is my favourite player rather than Nada?

He's as big a Nada fan as I am

Still, besides that series Nada has been losing a ton of games, and it should be pretty obvious there's more he needs to do to be on the PR. That makes it self-explanatory, no need for a CBNC entry.
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