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animus123
United States171 Posts
On March 14 2009 01:15 Geo.Rion wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88725 Because this is totally a Live Report thread. I dont want to defend one ass, but don't be a bigger ass. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On March 14 2009 02:55 animus123 wrote: Because this is totally a Live Report thread. I dont want to defend one ass, but don't be a bigger ass. I remember you, funny you say that one person is being an ass, but you invite unnecessary comments. The point is you post trollish comments as well. What a flamer, kudos. | ||
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animus123
United States171 Posts
On March 14 2009 04:21 FireGuyX wrote: I remember you, funny you say that one person is being an ass, but you invite unnecessary comments. The point is you post trollish comments as well. What a flamer, kudos. Hahaha are you that old bitter guy from california? How are you not banned yet? What's really funny (read: not) is a guy called fireguyx talking about others flaming. I'm not going to try and pretend that there isn't a slight trolling nature to some of my posts, but I'd like to think there is some semblence of intelligence in them as well. But anyway, in an attempt to steer this discussion somewhat back to the Power Rank, + Show Spoiler + lol @ stork's cannon rush in game 2 of the osl semi's. Is he that insecure against Jaedong even one game up? EDIT: I just noticed I made a post about defending a guy's ass and I haven't laughed about it yet. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On March 14 2009 06:07 animus123 wrote: Hahaha are you that old bitter guy from california? How are you not banned yet? What's really funny (read: not) is a guy called fireguyx talking about others flaming. I'm not going to try and pretend that there isn't a slight trolling nature to some of my posts, but I'd like to think there is some semblence of intelligence in them as well. But anyway, in an attempt to steer this discussion somewhat back to the Power Rank, + Show Spoiler + lol @ stork's cannon rush in game 2 of the osl semi's. Is he that insecure against Jaedong even one game up? EDIT: I just noticed I made a post about defending a guy's ass and I haven't laughed about it yet. Why do you continue to assume I'm old? Check my profile. And you obviously don't post intelligently, more like trollish | ||
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Calyx
United States49 Posts
OSL Quarterfinals + Show Spoiler + Read Stork's post OSL quarterfinals game one interview - he was going to give up the series if he lost the first game because the third map was Tears of the Moon. That is probably why he cheeses against Jaedong even up 1-0 - he just didn't want to risk playing on that map. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On March 04 2009 23:06 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Hiya: Hiya is cool as hell, but aggressive TvP builds against robotic Protoss morons in WL does not a PR placement make. Get into a league, win some more games against people who aren't complete idiots, maybe we'll see you in a month or two. Hiya >>> Stork, JangBi, free, Kal, Best in their last matches. I wouldn't call them robotic morons, nor complete idiots. I don't question Hiya's placement, just this comment... | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 14 2009 09:37 Calyx wrote: In response to the only recent constructive post: OSL Quarterfinals + Show Spoiler + Read Stork's post OSL quarterfinals game one interview - he was going to give up the series if he lost the first game because the third map was Tears of the Moon. That is probably why he cheeses against Jaedong even up 1-0 - he just didn't want to risk playing on that map. That just seemed really stupid. He should have just played in a way that gave him the best chance to win on chupung, and then cheesed in game 3. | ||
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Calyx
United States49 Posts
On March 14 2009 09:52 Shikyo wrote: That just seemed really stupid. He should have just played in a way that gave him the best chance to win on chupung, and then cheesed in game 3. Yeah I think we can both agree that Stork was not on top of his mental game at all in that series. Reading his interview, you would not think he was up 1-0. It seems like he went into the games with the mindset "well no matter what happens I will loose, so I may as well just try this." Not really something you hope to see in the defending champion, or in any player of Stork's caliber. | ||
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LxRogue
United States1415 Posts
Also i have no idea what forgg is doing in CBNC, he has been in a big slump. | ||
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PhOeniX[MinD]
361 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 14 2009 09:52 Shikyo wrote: That just seemed really stupid. He should have just played in a way that gave him the best chance to win on chupung, and then cheesed in game 3. this was the way that gave him the best chanse. this rush was only used once on this map and it was successfull. I saw this same build on Medusa against July that worked too. Actually this is very hard to fend off, i just wonder how could JD be so calm, and make the right decisions from the start. Didnt wast a mineral, remember, he made a creep colony just to enlarge the creep, and built a sunken there. I guess most of the zergs would have been so scared that they are losing the series that would have upgraded the initial one too. The good thing about this build that the followup is very strong, corsairs +2 canon in the main to counter mutas. Once the first dt comes out the toss gains mapcontrol secures his nat, and macros up an army+harasses the zerg, who's stuggling with low dronecount because of the rush and the 1 hatch opening. Just a-moves around the time the zerg eco would start to be strong again. JD however didnt waste a single second, ignored the pylon at the nat, gone straight for the main, cleared up a gateway than attacked the canons with hydra+muta. You could have noticed, that the dt came out just when Stork's probes were going down. He had more than enough corsairs to hold the air, and with dts the hydras would have been forced back. if JD attacks 5-10 secs later he could have had trouble. But i think most people were just watching and saing, jeeze, JD rolled over Stork with ease, Stork is a newbie. The problem was with his build in the 2nd game, imo, 1 base reaver, wont work EVER against JD if he scouts it, but even if he doesnt it's hard. His trademark scurges showed up this time too, but i think he could have won without them too. The point where Stork lost the game, imo, was when he lost 2 of his zealots for nothing in front of his ramp. It made sure that he wont be able to expand as quick as he wanted to, cuz that attempt will be flankattacked and destroyed with ease. I think stokr's best chanse was an agressive zealot opening, because his slowzealot micro is one of the best for sure. EDIT: i checked, Stork played a couple televised games on sin chupung, and lost them but one, in whihc he beat ggplay with this cheesebuild | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 14 2009 14:51 Avidkeystamper wrote: But I don't get is why Stork moves out into his natural with his ground army, attempting to secure a expansion a little bit before the reaver pops out. It's like, 'ok, it's nice that you have a reaver but you have no army to support it now.' yep  | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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Ponder
United Kingdom66 Posts
Well i do. So there. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On March 14 2009 11:00 LxRogue wrote: I really like this PR, but Light seems way out of place on it. He has been good in the WL, but not nearly as good as many others. Hiya and free have been performing better in WL, otherwise i would have picked by.hero or zero (well he's eliminated now) for their starleague performance. Well I can't speak for FakeSteve or anything but in my opinion I like the selection of Light over Hiya and Zero and such because, for me, watching the games Light played has been more impressive that the games the other players you mentioned have been. Although their records might look similar, I think this is the reason Light makes the cut. FS really seems to like to factor in how well people look when they play as opposed to just factoring in wins and losses. This makes the PR much more fun because occasionally he'll have to put in people like BackHo or Free who are very successful progamers despite occasional unfathomable sloppy play. And then he has to do a writeup and it's usually good stuff. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
On March 15 2009 00:39 Scamp wrote: Well I can't speak for FakeSteve or anything but in my opinion I like the selection of Light over Hiya and Zero and such because, for me, watching the games Light played has been more impressive that the games the other players you mentioned have been. Although their records might look similar, I think this is the reason Light makes the cut. FS really seems to like to factor in how well people look when they play as opposed to just factoring in wins and losses. This makes the PR much more fun because occasionally he'll have to put in people like BackHo or Free who are very successful progamers despite occasional unfathomable sloppy play. And then he has to do a writeup and it's usually good stuff. hmm...Well Hiya has both Lomo and Jaedong on his team to back him up If one of them drops a game the other two can potentially pick up and finish Free is also on fire going 12-5, but he has ZeRO and a whole slew of neophytes that can potentially kick ass Light however is by himself. I mean who else does he have? Sea[Shield] is playing well i suppose. But does all killing ACE really count? (I'm on the fence) Well anyways... Light has just rocked everyone's socks off His level of play picked up dramatically | ||
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Polar_Bear
Germany55 Posts
The interesting thing is, that the rush DID work indeed, the crucial mistake was not to attack the morphing sunken colony with the first zealot and the cannon down the ramp in range of the sunken. If you watch the video carefully you'll notice that it took around 11-12 seconds till the sunken was finished after the zealot got up the ramp. This would have been enough time to kill it with the zealot and a cannon shooting up the ramp (focussing on the sunken, not on the overlord). So that's what costed Stork the series... anyway gj JD, know we'll see the remacht JD vs. TY in the finals. Does anyone know how the map exclusion works this OSL? I'd like to see a nice bo5. It would be more interesting without JD being up 1-0 before the games started... | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
On March 15 2009 06:41 Polar_Bear wrote: I think Stork was right by doing this rush. We all know that TM is a ZvP autowin. So in fact Stork knew that game 2 would decide the series. In general Stork's odds vs. JD aren't too good, especially at the moment. The interesting thing is, that the rush DID work indeed, the crucial mistake was not to attack the morphing sunken colony with the first zealot and the cannon down the ramp in range of the sunken. If you watch the video carefully you'll notice that it took around 11-12 seconds till the sunken was finished after the zealot got up the ramp. This would have been enough time to kill it with the zealot and a cannon shooting up the ramp (focussing on the sunken, not on the overlord). So that's what costed Stork the series... anyway gj JD, know we'll see the remacht JD vs. TY in the finals. Does anyone know how the map exclusion works this OSL? I'd like to see a nice bo5. It would be more interesting without JD being up 1-0 before the games started... It will be 1-1 before the game even starts because he has no chance on Taekdusa. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
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