EPTPower Rank 11/10/2008 - Page 19
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
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Sprite
United States1015 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 23 2008 22:34 Sprite wrote: Firebathero for #10 spot next month! for what? | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
I think FBH is borderline PR material, depending on what happens the rest of the month. He is arguably the 2nd best Terran right now behind flash. + Show Spoiler + I think he should make it just for incorporating BC in a TvZ build(as opposed to BC for late game turtle-tactic).  See Khan vs Lecaf Ace match for details. | ||
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iloahz
United States964 Posts
On November 23 2008 16:47 OneOther wrote: Oh..my. Bisu beating the historically-awful TvPer FBH 3:0 is NOWHERE as impressive as Stork beating Bisu HIMSELF 2-1. How in the world does your logic work? You are also assuming Stork wouldn't 3-0 FBH because FBH got "close" last time, when Stork did in fact 3-0 last time they met. Come on dude, be reasonable here. You are giving Bisu the upper hand based on the assumption that Stork wouldn't 3:0 some guy, when Stork beat....Bisu. BeSt was on a ridiculous PvP winning streak when Stork beat him. BeSt was god-mode, would have given him the best PvPer title. Yes Free has been hot, but doesn't quite compare. PvP is also Free's shakiest matchup. Not even close. Okay sure, I will give this one to Bisu since I do think Jangbi is a better player than Fantasy. But keep in mind that Fantasy was very hot at this time too. Furthermore, all the ranks that you are using (such as Fantasy #9) are THIS month's rankings. Fantasy was higher when Stork beat him. So was Best. Hmm I wonder what teamliquid thinks of it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82741 Thanks avidkeystamper I've thought this through again and yes I have to concede that Stork did go through a somewhat harder path in his OSL than Bisu. But I have to also contend that a harder OSL path last month should not mean as much as you claim. Look, Bisu went past his opponents in MSL in a quite impressive manner. He could not choose his opponents. It's not his fault for their lack of caliber in their respective matchups, and why should bisu be penalized for something he has no control over? It's like even if he is the No. 1 player in the world, but because of the opponents he faces, no matter how hard he rapes them, somehow a harder path from last month's osl win means more. If this msl and osl were to happen in the same time frame then Stork should claim the best player on earth title rather than Bisu. A reasonable methodology in the ranking should not put exactly the same weight on last month and this month I suppose? After all this is This Month's ranking. Stork's osl win was more impressive, but Bisu's msl win carries more weight does it not? I know it's what they incorporate in Kespa monthly rank except they employ a much bigger time horizon. | ||
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theonemephisto
United States409 Posts
On November 23 2008 05:14 OneOther wrote: no, it's gambling and it's as simple as that. of course they are calculated risks, but they all worked out perfectly for them. that's pretty rare in PvP. It works out perfectly for Bisu so much of the time that I don't really think it's gambling anymore. In Bisu's PvP, it isn't really that rare of a thing. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On November 23 2008 23:26 baubo wrote: I think FBH is borderline PR material, depending on what happens the rest of the month. He is arguably the 2nd best Terran right now behind flash. + Show Spoiler + I think he should make it just for incorporating BC in a TvZ build(as opposed to BC for late game turtle-tactic). See Khan vs Lecaf Ace match for details. + Show Spoiler + they should just give Jaedong a break. Seriously, lecaf played jd in every game + in almost all ace matches. I know they haven`t got any other zerg, but at least from the ace matches ... | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On November 24 2008 00:59 Jaeden wrote: + Show Spoiler + they should just give Jaedong a break. Seriously, lecaf played jd in every game + in almost all ace matches. I know they haven`t got any other zerg, but at least from the ace matches ... + Show Spoiler + when flash dipped into a slump months ago, KTF fans tried saying this but everyone kept saying "NOPE FLASH SUX ALL HYPE" I know how you feel man. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 23 2008 22:17 MrHoon wrote: I don't understand why so many people are hating on OneOther, I like his PR better than FS and DJ's PR (which I thought were biased)... Thanks Mr.Hoon! Don't worry about it lol people get angry when there's conflicts of opinions. It happens, and I couldn't care less about what a couple people have to say about me because I know most people like + agree with the PR. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 23 2008 23:33 zhaoli86 wrote: I've thought this through again and yes I have to concede that Stork did go through a somewhat harder path in his OSL than Bisu. But I have to also contend that a harder OSL path last month should not mean as much as you claim. Look, Bisu went past his opponents in MSL in a quite impressive manner. He could not choose his opponents. It's not his fault for their lack of caliber in their respective matchups, and why should bisu be penalized for something he has no control over? It's like even if he is the No. 1 player in the world, but because of the opponents he faces, no matter how hard he rapes them, somehow a harder path from last month's osl win means more. If this msl and osl were to happen in the same time frame then Stork should claim the best player on earth title rather than Bisu. A reasonable methodology in the ranking should not put exactly the same weight on last month and this month I suppose? After all this is This Month's ranking. Stork's osl win was more impressive, but Bisu's msl win carries more weight does it not? I know it's what they incorporate in Kespa monthly rank except they employ a much bigger time horizon. This is how I see it- Power Rank should include the past leagues at least until new ones start and several games are played. That means Incruit OSL won't have much effect on the rankings when the new OSL season games have happened. Until then, however, I think it should carry equal weight as the MSL. After all, they are separated by a little more than two weeks and I don't think it's fair to take the older one out of equation, or take away its significance. Having said that, Stork had a harder OSL than Bisu did in MSL. Which is why I think Stork should remain at number one, unless Bisu keeps up his play while Stork continues dropping games. Just because your opinion varies from mine, please don't call me an "incompetent person who is out of his fucking mind." Thanks | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On November 24 2008 02:07 OneOther wrote: Thanks Mr.Hoon! Don't worry about it lol it's just angry fanboys. It happens, and I couldn't care less about what a couple people have to say about me because I know most people like the PR. I liked the DJetter's PR it almost always was hilarious to read . And i somewhat agree with all of his rankings . I like FS and OneOther's PRs too , sometimes i disagree with their player placements but they are doing a pretty good job . On November 23 2008 21:52 Krigstar wrote: Wow OneOther I like that you defend yourself and respond to pretty much every post unlike fakesteve who ignores all the good arguments, but you should really clean up some of the garbage that obviously just wants to troll you. Also, Stork or Bisus #1 or #2 is not set in stone imo. OSL is always bigger than MSL and Stork beat Bisu so for me Stork is #1 one more month. This...If someone starts trolling even thought he isn't right , althought even if he is right if he trolls he should still get a temp ban .... | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On November 17 2008 16:32 traced wrote: only time i ever saw bisu outplayed was vs jaedong on blue storm and jaedong won by the slimmest of margins. it was a sick game, bisu was pretty soundly ahead until jaedong doom dropped with his whole army right as bisu moved out, forcing bisu back so jaedong could pump drones and make up economy. You haven't watched Arena MSL did you ? Bisu wasn't just outplayed he was badly raped then  On November 23 2008 13:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: Poll: Which is a harder series for a protoss (overall)? (Vote): vs Backho, Fantasy, Sea, Bo3 vs Bisu, Bo5 vs Best, Bo5 vs Fantasy (Vote): vs FBH, Much, Backho, Bo5 vs Hwasin, Bo5 vs Free, Bo5 vs Jangbi I worded it in an attempt to avoid bias. Probably unsuccessful, but whatever, it came to this. After a few hours it looks like this: On November 23 2008 13:32 Avidkeystamper wrote: Poll: Who had a harder Starleague? (Vote): Bisu: Much, FBH, Backho, Hwasin, FBH, Free, Jangbi (Vote): Stork: Backho, Sea, Fantasy, Bisu, Best, Fantasy | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On November 24 2008 01:38 MrHoon wrote: + Show Spoiler + when flash dipped into a slump months ago, KTF fans tried saying this but everyone kept saying "NOPE FLASH SUX ALL HYPE" I know how you feel man. + Show Spoiler + I actually don't think Jaedong has the "overworked" excuse. The top players ALL play a lot of games. In fact, Jaedong played the least amount of games BY FAR among the top players over the past month. Jaedong's simply not performing recently. Flash, I agree, was overworked tremendously last season. And he still has a pretty heavy workload this season too. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On November 24 2008 02:46 baubo wrote: + Show Spoiler + I actually don't think Jaedong has the "overworked" excuse. The top players ALL play a lot of games. In fact, Jaedong played the least amount of games BY FAR among the top players over the past month. Jaedong's simply not performing recently. Flash, I agree, was overworked tremendously last season. And he still has a pretty heavy workload this season too. u are wrong dude. They practice alot of games, but against a single MU. It`s hard to practice against 2 different type of games in one day. There are A LOT of examples. JD played in every single game. + he played in almost all ace matches; if u say that JD play only a few games, u are faaaaaaaaar from bein` right. On November 24 2008 02:14 OneOther wrote: This is how I see it- Power Rank should include the past leagues until new ones start. That means Incruit OSL won't have much effect on the rankings when the new OSL season starts. Until then, however, I think it should carry equal weight as the MSL. After all, they are separated by a little more than two weeks and I don't think it's fair to take the older one out of equation, or take away its significance. Having said that, Stork had a harder OSL than Bisu did in MSL. Which is why I think Stork should remain at number one, unless Bisu keeps up his play while Stork continues dropping games. Just because your opinion varies from mine, please don't call me an "incompetent person who is out of his fucking mind." Thanks I agree with this. If it was the other way, then one month we would have a PR with 10 gamers, and the next month we could have one with 8 different ones, just because the rest didn`t play in any individual league | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I think Firebathero should get like rank 6-7 next PR, seriously his TvT is among the best out there, his TvZ is obviously top notch and his TvP has been improved vastly | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 24 2008 06:58 AnOth3rDAy wrote: Lecaf vs Samsung spoiler. + Show Spoiler + I think Firebathero should get like rank 6-7 next PR, seriously his TvT is among the best out there, his TvZ is obviously top notch and his TvP has been improved vastly FBH has great TvZ and TvT (he always has) but idk if that's enough to move him to #6 or 7. Maybe near the bottom end, most likely either #9 or #10, because his 0-3 against Bisu has to be considered. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On November 24 2008 06:58 AnOth3rDAy wrote: Lecaf vs Samsung spoiler. + Show Spoiler + I think Firebathero should get like rank 6-7 next PR, seriously his TvT is among the best out there, his TvZ is obviously top notch and his TvP has been improved vastly Well Yeah lets replace Fantasy and ForGG with some fresh terrans ...I would actually just swap FBH , because i can't think of an other terran who is doing above average maybe Leta ? To bad my favourite two terrans Mind and Iris aren't doing too well  . | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
My thoughts: Somewhere between #7-9. He should definitely be dropped because he's still under-performing. | ||
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