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On November 23 2008 10:39 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 10:25 disciple wrote:
God can we get some reasonably competent people to write up the PR please.
Champions were always given credit in long term for their PR standing, just check out the PR after Bisu destroying savior some seasons ago- savior was still on the top of the chart the next month. The only exception from this unwritten rule was surprisingly Jaedong, who dropped the 1st place after his beating from forGG. But forGG was just too hot to be denied then. As for the PR writers I find them all quite competent and personally admire OneOthers efforts to be as neutral as possible. It was never an unwritten rule, it was murky waters. Savior won his OSL a few days before he lost to Bisu. In all games he was still looking the best. Bisu had a sloppy series against Light, a series of BO wins against RA, and a really good series against Savior. Besides that, he was a relative new comer with few games, and a shitty if non insignificant PL performance. There was a legitimate question over who was better. Jaedong was dropped when FORGG raped him because Jaedong was shaky as hell right up until that point, FORGG was dropped straight after because his results THAT MONTH did not warrant he was still number one. His msl win THE PREVIOUS MONTH was not used to warrant he stay as number one the next month. Even though he was, like Jaedong, like Stork, Bisu, Savior, and Flash- a champion. There is no god damn unwritten rule. Yes long term play has a place in the decision making process, or else this list would be ridiculously inaccurate. Yet you can not use something that is in the past and wholly irrelevant to this month to not only be the main reason, but the ONLY reason a player remains at the top. One other, you are a biased douche, give this back to Fakesteve or someone remotely competent.* *And no I am not saying this because you refuse to put Bisu at first; the month is not over, thats fine. I am saying that because you refuse out of hand, under the obviously biased assumption that Stork is better regardless of results. There is a difference between being hesitant, and blatantly ignoring reality. FS did it FAR too often with Sea, but Sea was not a top player so there was no injustice if he deserved 8th spot or 10th spot, this however IS important. If you can not do it right....leave.
ScarFace, I could care less about worthless stuff you have to say about me.
First of all, there's a huge difference between the 3-0 series of Savior/Bisu Finals and Stork dropping a couple PL games. There's also a difference between Jaedong getting raped 0-3 in the finals against forGG and Stork losing in the PL. As for forGG, he played bad after winning the MSL when Jaedong + other players started playing better than ever. I do not agree with the decision of whoever made that PR of droppin forGG that much the following month though. I would have kept him higher. Stork has not played badly enough yet. However, rankings certainly can change if Stork loses more. (On the assumption that Bisu maintains his high level of play) Stork's much tougher OSL victory remains on top of Bisu's MSL win. Bisu beat on TvP newbs Hwasin and FBH, whereas Stork took down Bisu himself and as well as BeSt. And it's not like I said Bisu would never take over the #1 spot. I said if Stork keeps dropping PL games and Bisu keeps his performance up, then yeah, Bisu is going to be the number one.
Lol @ kids calling me incompetent.I do my best to keep the rankings unbiased, and I don't need those personal insults.
*And no I am not saying this because you refuse to put Bisu at first; the month is not over, thats fine. I am saying that because you refuse out of hand, under the obviously biased assumption that Stork is better regardless of results. There is a difference between being hesitant, and blatantly ignoring reality. FS did it FAR too often with Sea, but Sea was not a top player so there was no injustice if he deserved 8th spot or 10th spot, this however IS important. If you can not do it right....leave.
I am under the bias that Stork is better than Bisu regardless of results? GO READ WHAT I SAID MULTIPLE TIMES. I said that although I think Stork's OSL is much better than Bisu's MSL, Bisu _WILL_ take the #1 spot if he keeps it up while Stork continues dropping games in PL and others. Do you not understand that? How is that assuming Stork is the better player regardless of results?
Here, I will lay it out nice and easy for you:
1) Previous achievement has always counted in the next month's, meaning: the player below has to do something greater OR the #1 player has to start under performing.
2) Stork's OSL > Bisu's MSL
3) Bisu will take #1 if he keeps playing the way he is, while Stork keeps getting the L's.
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On November 23 2008 10:12 zhaoli86 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 09:35 OneOther wrote:On November 23 2008 07:26 zhaoli86 wrote:On November 23 2008 05:15 OneOther wrote:
i see a legitimate case for putting bisu over stork, but as of right now, i think most of us can agree stork should stay at #1. losing two pl games isn't enough to negate what he was able to do in OSL and other pl games. your fucking outta your mind if you think that, honestly. Just make a poll and see what people on TL actually think who should be No.1 on PR next month, thanks. no, you are out of your mind Let me elaborate why you are out of your mind. Stork won the OSL, great. I'm not saying it's any less of an achievement than Bisu's MSL win. The final happened on Nov 1st and given the borderline position of that date, you made that the primary reason Stork was ranked No. 1 in October's PR, fine. As of November 1st, Stork is 4-4. In comparison, Bisu is 12-4. Stork is number 6 in ELO, and Bisu is number 1 right now. Stork didn't have many chances to play televised game to prove himself or he's still the number 1 player in the world, fine. But using the very reason he was ranked the first last month to say he's fucking number 1 in November? You think people are really going to buy that? The bulk of the OSL happened in October anyways so the decision to put the Nov 1st final into a Oct PR is reasonable, but his play in Nov does not scream he's the No.1 player in the world, sorry. If you are saying it is allowed to use last month's achievement as a primary criterion in the PR then I guess you have a fundamentally flawed methodology. We have Kespa for that. God can we get some reasonably competent people to write up the PR please.
You don't understand how the PR works. Bisu is 12-4 majorly because of MSL, which all counts towards his MSL win. Stork has played in 3 PL games since OSL win.
It has always taken the previous month into account. Unless the #2 player does something that is greater than what the #1 has achieved last month, OR the #1 starts slowing down significantly, there won't be changes. Neither of that happened yet. Stork's OSL>Bisu's MSL. Stork dropped a couple PL games to great players, which hardly justifies anything.
Now, let's say Bisu keeps excelling in Proleague/GOM/etc while Stork doesn't. Welcome to #1, Bisu. Be quiet if you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Or at least don't insult me.
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Power Rank = accumulation of monthly performances. Stork's OSL doesn't go away, at least until the new season begins.
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As it is right now i feel abit more comfortable in Bisus games than in storks. Stork had a tougher msl but it lacked zergs.
When bisu faces a zerg i feel more comfortable than when stork does.
Pvp they are equal imo atm.
and pvt stork is abit stronger, but not much at this moment and certainly not as much stronger as bisus pvz is compared to storks pvz.
This kindof indicates bisus right to the first spot
However its my oppinion and i respect that we wait and see how things goes.
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this would be so much easier if they actually met in proleague, round one AND ace rofl
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On November 23 2008 12:13 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
As it is right now i feel abit more comfortable in Bisus games than in storks. Stork had a tougher msl but it lacked zergs.
When bisu faces a zerg i feel more comfortable than when stork does.
Pvp they are equal imo atm.
and pvt stork is abit stronger, but not much at this moment and certainly not as much stronger as bisus pvz is compared to storks pvz.
This kindof indicates bisus right to the first spot
However its my oppinion and i respect that we wait and see how things goes.
Well true, he didn't face any Zergs. HOWEVER:
Stork beating Bisu and Best seems much more difficult than Bisu beating Hwasin and FBH.
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On November 23 2008 12:17 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 12:13 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
As it is right now i feel abit more comfortable in Bisus games than in storks. Stork had a tougher msl but it lacked zergs.
When bisu faces a zerg i feel more comfortable than when stork does.
Pvp they are equal imo atm.
and pvt stork is abit stronger, but not much at this moment and certainly not as much stronger as bisus pvz is compared to storks pvz.
This kindof indicates bisus right to the first spot
However its my oppinion and i respect that we wait and see how things goes. Well true, he didn't face any Zergs. HOWEVER: Stork beating Bisu and Best seems much more difficult than Bisu beating Hwasin and FBH.
You are comparing apples to oranges, if you are comparing the two tournaments compare them right
Round of 16
Stork 1-0 Fantasy, Sea, and Backho
Bisu 2-0 Hwasin
I am not making a judgment about which is harder except 3 games are tougher than 2 (evens out in Ro8).
Round of 8
Stork 2-1 Bisu
Bisu 3-0 FBH
Here I am judging Bisu had an easier task than Stork (although he showed how much easier it was by totally dominating FBH from start to finish)
Round of 4
Stork 3-1 Best
Bisu 3-1 Free
Once again Stork had a harder task to do but I can't remember how bad Bisu stomped Free or Stork stomped Best so I can't say anything.
Finals
Stork 3-2 Fantasy
Bisu 3-1 Jangbi
I make no judgment here especially since I have yet to see the actual games for the MSL.
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haha
u know what , go ahead and put your boy/Stork for #1 on December's PR.
since you took over PR it really didnt mean shit ( you are just a KAHN/Stork WHORE ) to me.
+ Show Spoiler +i really miss DJEtterStyle & FakeSteve's PR
you can distort all you want but my boy Bisu is on the road to Bonjwa ( haha 1st Protoss ) and that is all i can say and that is all i have to say 
Bisu <3's you all!
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On November 23 2008 11:36 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 10:12 zhaoli86 wrote:On November 23 2008 09:35 OneOther wrote:On November 23 2008 07:26 zhaoli86 wrote:On November 23 2008 05:15 OneOther wrote:
i see a legitimate case for putting bisu over stork, but as of right now, i think most of us can agree stork should stay at #1. losing two pl games isn't enough to negate what he was able to do in OSL and other pl games. your fucking outta your mind if you think that, honestly. Just make a poll and see what people on TL actually think who should be No.1 on PR next month, thanks. no, you are out of your mind Let me elaborate why you are out of your mind. Stork won the OSL, great. I'm not saying it's any less of an achievement than Bisu's MSL win. The final happened on Nov 1st and given the borderline position of that date, you made that the primary reason Stork was ranked No. 1 in October's PR, fine. As of November 1st, Stork is 4-4. In comparison, Bisu is 12-4. Stork is number 6 in ELO, and Bisu is number 1 right now. Stork didn't have many chances to play televised game to prove himself or he's still the number 1 player in the world, fine. But using the very reason he was ranked the first last month to say he's fucking number 1 in November? You think people are really going to buy that? The bulk of the OSL happened in October anyways so the decision to put the Nov 1st final into a Oct PR is reasonable, but his play in Nov does not scream he's the No.1 player in the world, sorry. If you are saying it is allowed to use last month's achievement as a primary criterion in the PR then I guess you have a fundamentally flawed methodology. We have Kespa for that. God can we get some reasonably competent people to write up the PR please. You don't understand how the PR works. Bisu is 12-4 majorly because of MSL, which all counts towards his MSL win. Stork has played in 3 PL games since OSL win. It has always taken the previous month into account. Unless the #2 player does something that is greater than what the #1 has achieved last month, OR the #1 starts slowing down significantly, there won't be changes. Neither of that happened yet. Stork's OSL>Bisu's MSL. Stork dropped a couple PL games to great players, which hardly justifies anything. Now, let's say Bisu keeps excelling in Proleague/GOM/etc while Stork doesn't. Welcome to #1, Bisu. Be quiet if you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Or at least don't insult me.
Let's suppose that you take last month's osl win from stork win into account, I disagree on stork's osl > bisu's msl.
Suppose again your October's power rank is of significant weight and reason, then compare Stork's OSL road and Bisu's MSL road:
Round of 8
Stork 2-1 Bisu
Bisu 3-0 FBH
Stork won a close series between himself and bisu, while bisu 3:0'd fbh. I wouldn't know if Stork could 3:0 fbh given he barely beat him the last time they met in a bo5, so I'll have to give Bisu this one.
Round of 4
Stork 3-1 Best
Bisu 3-1 Free
ok Best is #7 on your Oct PR, and Free is #3 on your Oct PR. Best is known for having the best PvP even though free has been hotter, so I give stork this one.
Finals
Stork 3-2 Fantasy
Bisu 3-1 Jangbi
This one is no brainer. Bisu has by far the tougher opponent. Stork again barely beat your #9 ranked player, whereas Bisu beat the #5 ranked player. Stork is by far more favored in his osl final, and most people expected him to win, far more than people expected bisu to come out on top in his msl.
And that's why overall Bisu seems to have a tougher road than Stork, at least since the round of 8.
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Poll: Which is a harder series for a protoss (overall)?
(Vote): vs Backho, Fantasy, Sea, Bo3 vs Bisu, Bo5 vs Best, Bo5 vs Fantasy
(Vote): vs FBH, Much, Backho, Bo5 vs Hwasin, Bo5 vs Free, Bo5 vs Jangbi
I worded it in an attempt to avoid bias. Probably unsuccessful, but whatever, it came to this.
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How about we leave the personal insults out of this? He who throws mud loses ground...
From an objective point of view, Stork has had a quiet month. Quiet not necessarily equating to bad. Stork firmly established himself as the best player in the world last month. Whether this persists or not is contingent on his performances in GOM and PL. GOM judgment is reserved for the time being, due to games being played with Keke tonight. His PL performances have not been dominant and have not been indicative of being the 'strongest player in the world'. He has lost to strong opposition, but this is opposition that you would expect Stork to overcome nonetheless.
Bisu has not had a quiet month. He has beaten Calm, a very good player currently from his PL results, in 3 hard fought sets. He dismantled FBH and Hwasin without losing a game. This was to be expected, as Hwasin is Bisu's whipping boy, and FBH's TvP is based on aggression and taking the game to the enemy. Bisu dissected this play by reversing the aggression onto FBH and easily overcoming him. He then beat Free, a player who many thought was the other best player of the MSL to that point, convincingly. Free's play in the semi was not what it was during the rest of the MSL, but he put up a fight. He didn't necessarily choose the standard builds either, using his trademark 4-gate goon push and goon micro to try to eke out wins. However, Bisu deflected these efforts by staying composed and sticking to his guns. He then outplayed Jangbi in 4 tough sets. While you could say he was lucky in three of these games, once he got the advantage, he was relentless and never let up.
I believe Bisu should be number one contingent on this month's performances, and Stork should keep it if PR is contingent more on performances from a 2-month window or so.
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On November 23 2008 06:12 Februarys wrote:
To add on to Disciple's case, Bisu had to play his worst MU, PvT, to get #1 in this final. You could argue that Hwasin and FBH aren't the best TvPers but its better than Stork not facing ANY zerg to his journey to his OSL victory, and Stork's PvZ is less radiant than his PvP and PvT as we all know.
Stork's final was his best MU, PvT.
Bisu's final was not his best MU, which is PvZ.
Stork already received 1 month of PR as #1. People say he lost to Kal in the MSL because he was busy preparing for the OSL Finals. Ok, thats a legitimate reason. But what about his loss verse Kal AFTER the finals? There's no valid reason for that
1. Stork's Best MU is PvP. People just forgot since Best came along.
2. Bisu did not play ANY ZERGS OR TERRANS who had a half-assed vP. And the protosses he faced, while good, were not on the same caliber of what Stork faced (Best, Bisu).
On November 23 2008 11:31 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 10:39 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 23 2008 10:25 disciple wrote:
God can we get some reasonably competent people to write up the PR please.
Champions were always given credit in long term for their PR standing, just check out the PR after Bisu destroying savior some seasons ago- savior was still on the top of the chart the next month. The only exception from this unwritten rule was surprisingly Jaedong, who dropped the 1st place after his beating from forGG. But forGG was just too hot to be denied then. As for the PR writers I find them all quite competent and personally admire OneOthers efforts to be as neutral as possible. It was never an unwritten rule, it was murky waters. Savior won his OSL a few days before he lost to Bisu. In all games he was still looking the best. Bisu had a sloppy series against Light, a series of BO wins against RA, and a really good series against Savior. Besides that, he was a relative new comer with few games, and a shitty if non insignificant PL performance. There was a legitimate question over who was better. Jaedong was dropped when FORGG raped him because Jaedong was shaky as hell right up until that point, FORGG was dropped straight after because his results THAT MONTH did not warrant he was still number one. His msl win THE PREVIOUS MONTH was not used to warrant he stay as number one the next month. Even though he was, like Jaedong, like Stork, Bisu, Savior, and Flash- a champion. There is no god damn unwritten rule. Yes long term play has a place in the decision making process, or else this list would be ridiculously inaccurate. Yet you can not use something that is in the past and wholly irrelevant to this month to not only be the main reason, but the ONLY reason a player remains at the top. One other, you are a biased douche, give this back to Fakesteve or someone remotely competent.* *And no I am not saying this because you refuse to put Bisu at first; the month is not over, thats fine. I am saying that because you refuse out of hand, under the obviously biased assumption that Stork is better regardless of results. There is a difference between being hesitant, and blatantly ignoring reality. FS did it FAR too often with Sea, but Sea was not a top player so there was no injustice if he deserved 8th spot or 10th spot, this however IS important. If you can not do it right....leave. ScarFace, I could care less about worthless stuff you have to say about me. First of all, there's a huge difference between the 3-0 series of Savior/Bisu Finals and Stork dropping a couple PL games. There's also a difference between Jaedong getting raped 0-3 in the finals against forGG and Stork losing in the PL. As for forGG, he played bad after winning the MSL when Jaedong + other players started playing better than ever. I do not agree with the decision of whoever made that PR of droppin forGG that much the following month though. I would have kept him higher. Stork has not played badly enough yet. However, rankings certainly can change if Stork loses more. (On the assumption that Bisu maintains his high level of play) Stork's much tougher OSL victory remains on top of Bisu's MSL win. Bisu beat on TvP newbs Hwasin and FBH, whereas Stork took down Bisu himself and as well as BeSt. And it's not like I said Bisu would never take over the #1 spot. I said if Stork keeps dropping PL games and Bisu keeps his performance up, then yeah, Bisu is going to be the number one. Lol @ kids calling me incompetent.I do my best to keep the rankings unbiased, and I don't need those personal insults. Show nested quote +*And no I am not saying this because you refuse to put Bisu at first; the month is not over, thats fine. I am saying that because you refuse out of hand, under the obviously biased assumption that Stork is better regardless of results. There is a difference between being hesitant, and blatantly ignoring reality. FS did it FAR too often with Sea, but Sea was not a top player so there was no injustice if he deserved 8th spot or 10th spot, this however IS important. If you can not do it right....leave. I am under the bias that Stork is better than Bisu regardless of results? GO READ WHAT I SAID MULTIPLE TIMES. I said that although I think Stork's OSL is much better than Bisu's MSL, Bisu _WILL_ take the #1 spot if he keeps it up while Stork continues dropping games in PL and others. Do you not understand that? How is that assuming Stork is the better player regardless of results? Here, I will lay it out nice and easy for you: 1) Previous achievement has always counted in the next month's, meaning: the player below has to do something greater OR the #1 player has to start under performing. 2) Stork's OSL > Bisu's MSL 3) Bisu will take #1 if he keeps playing the way he is, while Stork keeps getting the L's.
Dazed Spy is ScarFace? No wonder I disagree with him so much.
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On November 23 2008 13:11 zhaoli86 wrote:
Round of 8
Stork 2-1 Bisu
Bisu 3-0 FBH
Stork won a close series between himself and bisu, while bisu 3:0'd fbh. I wouldn't know if Stork could 3:0 fbh given he barely beat him the last time they met in a bo5, so I'll have to give Bisu this one.
Your logic here is so flawed it's ridiculous. You're comparing the two series, then you switch gears and say that you're not sure Stork could 3-0 his teammate like Stork did, so Bisu > Stork. The question of whether Stork could 3-0 FBH is completely irrelevant to what you're attempting to figure out. Don't try and pull some kind of misdirection trick to claim that Bisu had it harder here.
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On November 23 2008 13:05 ambit!ous1 wrote:haha u know what , go ahead and put your boy/Stork for #1 on December's PR. since you took over PR it really didnt mean shit ( you are just a KAHN/Stork WHORE ) to me. + Show Spoiler +i really miss DJEtterStyle & FakeSteve's PR you can distort all you want but my boy Bisu is on the road to Bonjwa ( haha 1st Protoss ) and that is all i can say and that is all i have to say Bisu <3's you all!
right, that's why I put Jaedong over Stork for the disputed #1 spot last month.
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On November 23 2008 13:11 zhaoli86 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 11:36 OneOther wrote:On November 23 2008 10:12 zhaoli86 wrote:On November 23 2008 09:35 OneOther wrote:On November 23 2008 07:26 zhaoli86 wrote:On November 23 2008 05:15 OneOther wrote:
i see a legitimate case for putting bisu over stork, but as of right now, i think most of us can agree stork should stay at #1. losing two pl games isn't enough to negate what he was able to do in OSL and other pl games. your fucking outta your mind if you think that, honestly. Just make a poll and see what people on TL actually think who should be No.1 on PR next month, thanks. no, you are out of your mind Let me elaborate why you are out of your mind. Stork won the OSL, great. I'm not saying it's any less of an achievement than Bisu's MSL win. The final happened on Nov 1st and given the borderline position of that date, you made that the primary reason Stork was ranked No. 1 in October's PR, fine. As of November 1st, Stork is 4-4. In comparison, Bisu is 12-4. Stork is number 6 in ELO, and Bisu is number 1 right now. Stork didn't have many chances to play televised game to prove himself or he's still the number 1 player in the world, fine. But using the very reason he was ranked the first last month to say he's fucking number 1 in November? You think people are really going to buy that? The bulk of the OSL happened in October anyways so the decision to put the Nov 1st final into a Oct PR is reasonable, but his play in Nov does not scream he's the No.1 player in the world, sorry. If you are saying it is allowed to use last month's achievement as a primary criterion in the PR then I guess you have a fundamentally flawed methodology. We have Kespa for that. God can we get some reasonably competent people to write up the PR please. You don't understand how the PR works. Bisu is 12-4 majorly because of MSL, which all counts towards his MSL win. Stork has played in 3 PL games since OSL win. It has always taken the previous month into account. Unless the #2 player does something that is greater than what the #1 has achieved last month, OR the #1 starts slowing down significantly, there won't be changes. Neither of that happened yet. Stork's OSL>Bisu's MSL. Stork dropped a couple PL games to great players, which hardly justifies anything. Now, let's say Bisu keeps excelling in Proleague/GOM/etc while Stork doesn't. Welcome to #1, Bisu. Be quiet if you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Or at least don't insult me. Let's suppose that you take last month's osl win from stork win into account, I disagree on stork's osl > bisu's msl. Suppose again your October's power rank is of significant weight and reason, then compare Stork's OSL road and Bisu's MSL road: Round of 8 Stork 2-1 Bisu Bisu 3-0 FBH Stork won a close series between himself and bisu, while bisu 3:0'd fbh. I wouldn't know if Stork could 3:0 fbh given he barely beat him the last time they met in a bo5, so I'll have to give Bisu this one. Round of 4 Stork 3-1 Best Bisu 3-1 Free ok Best is #7 on your Oct PR, and Free is #3 on your Oct PR. Best is known for having the best PvP even though free has been hotter, so I give stork this one. Finals Stork 3-2 Fantasy Bisu 3-1 Jangbi This one is no brainer. Bisu has by far the tougher opponent. Stork again barely beat your #9 ranked player, whereas Bisu beat the #5 ranked player. Stork is by far more favored in his osl final, and most people expected him to win, far more than people expected bisu to come out on top in his msl. And that's why overall Bisu seems to have a tougher road than Stork, at least since the round of 8.
Oh..my. Bisu beating the historically-awful TvPer FBH 3:0 is NOWHERE as impressive as Stork beating Bisu HIMSELF 2-1. How in the world does your logic work? You are also assuming Stork wouldn't 3-0 FBH because FBH got "close" last time, when Stork did in fact 3-0 last time they met. Come on dude, be reasonable here. You are giving Bisu the upper hand based on the assumption that Stork wouldn't 3:0 some guy, when Stork beat....Bisu.
BeSt was on a ridiculous PvP winning streak when Stork beat him. BeSt was god-mode, would have given him the best PvPer title. Yes Free has been hot, but doesn't quite compare. PvP is also Free's shakiest matchup. Not even close.
Okay sure, I will give this one to Bisu since I do think Jangbi is a better player than Fantasy. But keep in mind that Fantasy was very hot at this time too. Furthermore, all the ranks that you are using (such as Fantasy #9) are THIS month's rankings. Fantasy was higher when Stork beat him. So was Best.
Hmm I wonder what teamliquid thinks of it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82741
Thanks avidkeystamper
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i dont care about this 2 they are playing omg fucking protoss imba mode so they can keep n1,2 what i ask is KAL OUT! or you still think he played "so godly" against stork? LOL
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On November 23 2008 18:12 malongo wrote:
i dont care about this 2 they are playing omg fucking protoss imba mode so they can keep n1,2 what i ask is KAL OUT! or you still think he played "so godly" against stork? LOL
who said anything about kal playing godly against stork. either start reading the discussion before you post or stop imagining things in your head.
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well, after I read all their comments, I have to agree with them actually
#1: bisu's month > stork's month, CLEARLY
but, #2: I think stork is stronger overall than bisu
the hard part is that we have to make a balance between them. If only #1 was the factor, than the PRs would be really weird. Of course we cannot count only #2, because then JD would be higher all the way. ( ok maybe I`m a fanboy, but a few months ago he was clearly the stronger overall, and didn`t get the top spot for whatever reasons {forGG, Sea, and in 1 month flash})
and lol @ the poll. A LOT OF BISU FANBOYS! I mean c`mon, stork's osl road was faaaaaaaaaaar more harder than bisu's
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Wow OneOther I like that you defend yourself and respond to pretty much every post unlike fakesteve who ignores all the good arguments, but you should really clean up some of the garbage that obviously just wants to troll you.
Also, Stork or Bisus #1 or #2 is not set in stone imo. OSL is always bigger than MSL and Stork beat Bisu so for me Stork is #1 one more month.
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Bisu and Stork have equal chanses to get the first place. I think if FS would write the PR right now it would be Bisu, if Oneother than Stork. I might be wrong.
About whos path was harder:
Best+Bisu+Fantasy > Free+Jangbi+FBH
PvP+PvP+PvT for Stork < PvP, PvP, PvT for Bisu
that's how i see things, i would put Bisu 1st.
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