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Power Rank 09/15/2008 - Page 4

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DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
September 15 2008 09:15 GMT
#61
He's saying Much's PvZ is terrible which is completely inaccurate.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 15 2008 09:21 GMT
#62
something to note: If I wrote the rank this month, Stork would undoubtedly be at least as high as he is on DeadVessel's list. And I think he's terrible six days out of the week.
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Uraeus
Profile Joined February 2008
France1378 Posts
September 15 2008 10:25 GMT
#63
I quite agree with this month's PR. Though I miss the grumpy/angry comments. All this sounds a little too politically correct.

Still, it always bugs me when some guys throw arguments like "X is 2-4 this month. He should be lower than Y who is 3-1".
You can make an argument out of statistics only if you take a large amount of relevant data, what is not possible for PR.
Otherwise, not only do you have to look how many games players win/lose, but also WHO they win/lose to and HOW. What DeadVessel did pretty well imo.
Midas losing to the über gay 2 rax proxy by Mind? Big deal. Much's defeat to Bisu almost counts as a win imo because the B/O fits the map and was well executed, with a lot of good in-game decisions. Much did not loose it. Bisu won.
On the other hand, July's B/O against Flash smelled like despair and helplessness (don't get me wrong, I like July) and made a few questionnable moves during the game.
See the difference?
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TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
September 15 2008 10:28 GMT
#64
Deadvessel why did you include September's games in the August PR?

Fwmeh
Profile Joined April 2008
1286 Posts
September 15 2008 10:29 GMT
#65
On September 15 2008 18:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
something to note: If I wrote the rank this month, Stork would undoubtedly be at least as high as he is on DeadVessel's list. And I think he's terrible six days out of the week.


And on the seventh day, he played ForGG on Bluestorm? While I will readily agree that not all his victories this month has been S level starcraft, that game was very good IMHO.
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TomciO
Profile Joined November 2002
Poland414 Posts
September 15 2008 12:58 GMT
#66
It's absolutely clear for me that Stork should be higher than BeSt. ahole-surprise has given the arguments and there is no way to deny most of them. BeSt has accomplished almost nothing: he played a very good game vs GGPlay who is currently in really bad shape and two games in STX (where the game vs JangBi was indeed great). Pretty poor for the second spot in PR...
Februarys
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Korea (South)259 Posts
September 15 2008 13:28 GMT
#67
fuck yeah! our zerg god Lee Jae Dong gets his throne back
Jaedong is the Hope of Zergs.
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
September 15 2008 13:28 GMT
#68
Seriously, Why is thezerg even on the CBNC?? He hasnt impressed at all. Luck got him trough. Crappy player.

Nice PR anyhow!
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
September 15 2008 14:04 GMT
#69
On September 15 2008 22:28 ThePhan2m wrote:
Seriously, Why is thezerg even on the CBNC?? He hasnt impressed at all. Luck got him trough. Crappy player.

Nice PR anyhow!


Clearly you havent seen any of Thezerg's games, watch his games vs Hwasin before talking.
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
September 15 2008 16:07 GMT
#70
I also think best is a bit high - maybe 5th or so would be better. Sure, he might be "the best" P around (which I have no doubt about actually), but in the last month his results have not been as impressive as stork's or much's.

Speaking of much - GRANDPA TOSS FIGHTING. And this is coming from a T player ;o
1 base carriers? Fuck yes.

Stork should maybe be a bit higher (#2?), and Flash is about right - although I wish he'd bring back his old TvP pwnage, which is beginning to look a liiiitle shaky.

Thezerg should probably be on there too, but I think your top 10 as a whole seem to fit very well... no one to kick out in favor of thezerg

Fantasy has been playing very well lately, so his spot seems pretty justified. But Lux seems... low. Of course, his performance last month was not great either. (unfortunately I have probably been corrupted by september games though)

Finally, don't lynch me, but Sea should be lower. Beating Stork was good :O but I think fantasy and luxury have been playing better than he has.

other things - there are 4 people on this power rank who have been #1 at some point :O
and stork has his highest as... 2nd. Who would've thought?
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DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-15 18:21:45
September 15 2008 18:17 GMT
#71
On September 15 2008 19:28 TheTyranid wrote:
Deadvessel why did you include September's games in the August PR?


Because if I didn't I'd run out of players and have to start adding some. Would you have prefered me take some of September's games or add PokJu?

On September 16 2008 01:07 ]343[ wrote:
I also think best is a bit high - maybe 5th or so would be better. Sure, he might be "the best" P around (which I have no doubt about actually), but in the last month his results have not been as impressive as stork's or much's.

Speaking of much - GRANDPA TOSS FIGHTING. And this is coming from a T player ;o
1 base carriers? Fuck yes.

Stork should maybe be a bit higher (#2?), and Flash is about right - although I wish he'd bring back his old TvP pwnage, which is beginning to look a liiiitle shaky.

Thezerg should probably be on there too, but I think your top 10 as a whole seem to fit very well... no one to kick out in favor of thezerg

Fantasy has been playing very well lately, so his spot seems pretty justified. But Lux seems... low. Of course, his performance last month was not great either. (unfortunately I have probably been corrupted by september games though)

Finally, don't lynch me, but Sea should be lower. Beating Stork was good :O but I think fantasy and luxury have been playing better than he has.

other things - there are 4 people on this power rank who have been #1 at some point :O
and stork has his highest as... 2nd. Who would've thought?

Concerning Fantasy & Sea. It was very hard for me to place one before the other, on one hand fantasy beat NaDa twice and is both leagues. But on the other hand Sea played much more recently and performed well for the most part. In the end it was very close and I only put Sea ahead by a small margin. If I could both Sea and Fantasy would be at 7 and TheZerg would be on the list =].
errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
September 15 2008 18:30 GMT
#72
Yeah, I can remember when people thought Best would tear July up because 'look what he did to Luxury'. When Lux pretty much threw away the OSL to him. Similarly, beating ggplay doesn't really mean anything either. I still don't see his vZ as having been tested. Phenomenal PvP, yeah.

But then, Backho has great PvP too.

SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
September 15 2008 18:37 GMT
#73
lol, how the fuck is Leta on top 10 and Midas not. -_-;;
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SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
September 15 2008 18:41 GMT
#74
Light instead of Thezerg on close...
-,-
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
September 15 2008 20:27 GMT
#75
I think July should have placed ahead of Luxury. He's still playing well enough to deserve a spot, and he's lost the BO battle in 2/3 zvz's he's played. This ain't my fan boyism talking (although Steve, how could you?) but for someone playing so well the previous month he should at least be in top 10.
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tyr0
Profile Joined September 2008
United States125 Posts
September 15 2008 20:48 GMT
#76
On September 16 2008 03:37 SuperJongMan wrote:
lol, how the fuck is Leta on top 10 and Midas not. -_-;;

i think leta is currently better than midas.
midas has lost more recent games than leta.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
September 15 2008 20:57 GMT
#77
On September 16 2008 03:17 DeadVessel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2008 19:28 TheTyranid wrote:
Deadvessel why did you include September's games in the August PR?


Because if I didn't I'd run out of players and have to start adding some. Would you have prefered me take some of September's games or add PokJu?

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2008 01:07 ]343[ wrote:
I also think best is a bit high - maybe 5th or so would be better. Sure, he might be "the best" P around (which I have no doubt about actually), but in the last month his results have not been as impressive as stork's or much's.

Speaking of much - GRANDPA TOSS FIGHTING. And this is coming from a T player ;o
1 base carriers? Fuck yes.

Stork should maybe be a bit higher (#2?), and Flash is about right - although I wish he'd bring back his old TvP pwnage, which is beginning to look a liiiitle shaky.

Thezerg should probably be on there too, but I think your top 10 as a whole seem to fit very well... no one to kick out in favor of thezerg

Fantasy has been playing very well lately, so his spot seems pretty justified. But Lux seems... low. Of course, his performance last month was not great either. (unfortunately I have probably been corrupted by september games though)

Finally, don't lynch me, but Sea should be lower. Beating Stork was good :O but I think fantasy and luxury have been playing better than he has.

other things - there are 4 people on this power rank who have been #1 at some point :O
and stork has his highest as... 2nd. Who would've thought?

Concerning Fantasy & Sea. It was very hard for me to place one before the other, on one hand fantasy beat NaDa twice and is both leagues. But on the other hand Sea played much more recently and performed well for the most part. In the end it was very close and I only put Sea ahead by a small margin. If I could both Sea and Fantasy would be at 7 and TheZerg would be on the list =].


I would have Luxury above fantasy and Sea because he is still the best all around zerg after Jaedong and he is the favourite in his OSL group + he made the WCG grand final .Although no zerg can reach the ZvP of Jaedong and July at the moment .
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
September 15 2008 21:34 GMT
#78
On September 15 2008 09:25 DeadVessel wrote:
July's play has been dismal since his trouncing of BeSt. Beating Rock in a series ZvP does not warrant making PR or CBNC.



I think you fail to take into account that he's still the OSL champion.... he should have some stability in the rankings since he didn't really play many games, I don't think it's fair to take him off the PR.
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
September 15 2008 22:15 GMT
#79
When were the OSL Finals? July

What month is it now? September

What did July do in August? Since the OSL Finals July is 2-4. He beat Jaehoon and took a game off Luxury but still lost the series. Tell me how that warrants anything? I LOVE July. If he wins his next games in the OSL then he's back on the PR without a doubt. But to be honest his play has been dismal and his stats were even worse. Go watch his game vs Flash it was terrible.
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-15 22:19:01
September 15 2008 22:18 GMT
#80
@raga4ka

Luxury couldn't even take down Darkelf. He's playing Mind and Midas who have some of the best TvZ in Progaming. He is not the favorite, but he's not the underdog. Losing to Darkelf is the main reason that he's moved down so much. I don't care what map he lost to Darkelf on, a player of Luxury's caliber should NEVER lose to Darkelf.
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