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Mine:
1.  Jaedong - crushed  Flash,  Stork, Leta, Luxury, Much, and BeSt[HyO] recently
2. fOrGG - though he fell down a flight of stairs and his vP may not be as strong as his other matchups (though we could use some more evidence), he's still only player to ever RAPE Jaedong in a series.
3. Flash - few players have the same potential as Flash. He's looked pretty insane in the few games he's played recently.
4. Stork - as good as he is, he just doesn't have the peak potential to be any higher imo, unless the players above him falter. But when that usually happens, another player ascends...
5. Leta - doesn't lose
6. Luxury - can beat pretty much anyone on the PR if he plays well
7. Much - only really strong vT, though not bad in the other two.
8. BeSt[HyO]- tough player to assess, his mechanics and game sense are insane, but corsair revear multitask looks to be a little lacking, and we could really use some more vT samples.
9. fantasy - looks great, need more results
10. Sea - looks great, lets see him advance further
CNBC:
Thezerg - looks sick, need more results, especially vP
Bisu - surprisingly solid! Needs to keep it up
Mind - " "
JangBi - " "
Midas - " "
July - basically a reverse Bisu, at this point.
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On September 17 2008 03:00 Chill wrote:
I'll answer that one, because Backho is terrible.
Did the bias fog up your eyes in his game vs Stork?
On a sidenote, did fOrGG completely recover from his game vs Stairs?
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On September 17 2008 07:22 xenero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2008 03:00 Chill wrote:
I'll answer that one, because Backho is terrible. Did the bias fog up your eyes in his game vs Stork?
I'm not an expert but it seems like his micro, macro, and army composition aren't very good, even though he has a tight harass game sense+storm micro.
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mine is something like this...
1. JaeDong
2. Flash
3. Stork
4. Much
5. ForGG
6. Leta
7. Fantasy
8. Sea
9. Best
10. Midas
but overall, Deadvessel's is pretty good
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On September 17 2008 07:25 traced wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2008 07:22 xenero wrote:On September 17 2008 03:00 Chill wrote:
I'll answer that one, because Backho is terrible. Did the bias fog up your eyes in his game vs Stork? I'm not an expert but it seems like his micro, macro, and army composition aren't very good, even though he has a tight harass game sense+storm micro. His macro isn't BAD, its just inconsistent. Sometimes its normal, sometimes its pretty sharp- other times he just sits around and collects minerals for no reason. I'd agree with the rest of what you said.
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On September 17 2008 07:25 traced wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2008 07:22 xenero wrote:On September 17 2008 03:00 Chill wrote:
I'll answer that one, because Backho is terrible. Did the bias fog up your eyes in his game vs Stork? I'm not an expert but it seems like his micro, macro, and army composition aren't very good, even though he has a tight harass game sense+storm micro.
So Backho isn't terrible.
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On September 17 2008 03:00 Chill wrote:
I'll answer that one, because Backho is terrible.
high five chill
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On September 17 2008 05:20 CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2008 03:00 Chill wrote:
I'll answer that one, because Backho is terrible. So? He gets results. Heck, he's even good at PvP.
Backho has lost more games than he's won since the beginning of June 2008. You think those are good results?
traced - I like your reasoning for Leta's spot on the rank you'd have written. "doesn't lose". hahahahaha
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I'm waiting with joy for the day that Backho makes it to the TL-Powerrank  . Just cause i know that it basically will hurt the writer of it to put that name there :D.
But well, for Backho to get in there he probably has to win an OSL by beating Flash, Jaedong and Stork 3-0  .
Kidding ¨
A bit more serious... I don't know why Best is so high up there, i haven't seen Luxury donig much good either... But well... OSL/MSL will tell if you're right ^^. I also don't get the "Sea" love...
Btw: Backho fighting!
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On September 17 2008 13:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2008 05:20 CDRdude wrote:On September 17 2008 03:00 Chill wrote:
I'll answer that one, because Backho is terrible. So? He gets results. Heck, he's even good at PvP. Backho has lost more games than he's won since the beginning of June 2008. You think those are good results?
That would imply lousy results, but I think you are skewing the data. If you got that information from TLPD, you aren't including the GSL, which adds 10 televised games in that period. If you include those games, he's won a lot more than he's lost.
+ Show Spoiler [BackHo's GSL record since June] +2-0 vs Kal 2-1 vs GanZi 2-0 vs Stork 0-3 vs Flash (results from this wonderful thread.)
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On September 17 2008 07:22 xenero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2008 03:00 Chill wrote:
I'll answer that one, because Backho is terrible. Did the bias fog up your eyes in his game vs Stork? On a sidenote, did fOrGG completely recover from his game vs Stairs?
Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day.
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On September 18 2008 00:29 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2008 07:22 xenero wrote:On September 17 2008 03:00 Chill wrote:
I'll answer that one, because Backho is terrible. Did the bias fog up your eyes in his game vs Stork? On a sidenote, did fOrGG completely recover from his game vs Stairs? Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day.
A broken clock, as in one that's off, will never tell the correct time.
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Backho's very good at PvP. He outplayed Bisu and I believe Much to get to the OSL semi's. But he's been weak in the other two mu's. I don't think the "watch Backho vs Stork" argument has much meaning. PvP isn't the mu that's keeping him off the PR.
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no, a broken clock - as in one that isn't moving.
-_-
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CDRdude, BackHo is a terrible player. No amount of statistics will change our minds.
He is cheesy, he gets fluke wins. He straight game is dreadful and he's horribly incompetent (go watch BackHo vs July on Hwarangdo).
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On September 18 2008 02:34 Purind wrote:
Backho's very good at PvP. He outplayed Bisu and I believe Much to get to the OSL semi's. But he's been weak in the other two mu's. I don't think the "watch Backho vs Stork" argument has much meaning. PvP isn't the mu that's keeping him off the PR.
'watch backho vs stork' should be an argument to never, ever, ever put him on the pr
kill 50 fucking probes and still get raped by massively superior macro and army control
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On September 18 2008 03:44 DeadVessel wrote:
CDRdude, BackHo is a terrible player. No amount of statistics will change our minds.
He is cheesy, he gets fluke wins. He straight game is dreadful and he's horribly incompetent (go watch BackHo vs July on Hwarangdo).
With my previous post I wasn't trying to argue that he's a decent player. I was trying to make the case that he gets results, but I worded it poorly. (I think he's a mediocre player though.)
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On September 17 2008 18:19 CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2008 13:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On September 17 2008 05:20 CDRdude wrote:On September 17 2008 03:00 Chill wrote:
I'll answer that one, because Backho is terrible. So? He gets results. Heck, he's even good at PvP. Backho has lost more games than he's won since the beginning of June 2008. You think those are good results? That would imply lousy results, but I think you are skewing the data. If you got that information from TLPD, you aren't including the GSL, which adds 10 televised games in that period. If you include those games, he's won a lot more than he's lost. + Show Spoiler [BackHo's GSL record since June] +2-0 vs Kal 2-1 vs GanZi 2-0 vs Stork 0-3 vs Flash (results from this wonderful thread.) That puts his winning percentage since the beginning of June to 51.8%. Which is pretty bad, but he hasn't been playing total scrubs. BackHo made the semifinals of two leagues, which in my book, counts as results. I'll grant you that he's usually a lousy player, but I think he gets results far beyond what he could reasonably hope for.
Kal has pretty bad PvP and played especially awful in those games, ganzi is fucking bad, the stork wins were flukey as hell, and flash properly destroyed him
even with these "AMAZING" results he's 51.8%? And you think that makes him one of the ten best players in the world?
He had soft opponents that he repeatedly cheesed in both of those leagues. I bet you're going to try to pretend Jangbi is good at PvP, and that Backho barely squeaking by one of the worst PvP players on the circuit 2-1 is some sort of accomplishment.
You gotta realize that the results Backho is getting are because of cheese and bad play by his opponents at fortunate moments. His two semi-final appearances are entirely coincidental, he is in no way a starleague contendor, he won't find himself qualifying for OSL round of 16 very often in the future.
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Also: You know I write this thing, right? Of course I don't "get my information from TLPD". I get my information by watching every single game.
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