EPTPower Rank 09/15/2008 - Page 8
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
On September 25 2008 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: IMHO:  Stork Jaedong FlashMuchThezergLetaby.fantasySea[Shield]InteR.MindJulyZergFeel free to rage at my opinion. I disagree with this. Did you forget about Best entirely? And, thezerg > luxury? fOrGG nowhere to be found? Sure, we haven't seen him recently, but you assume he got a lot worse all of a sudden. I may disagree with PR's on occasion, and I may be a horrible BackHo fanboy, but posts like this make me glad that FakeSteve normally does the power rank. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On September 26 2008 11:48 CDRdude wrote: I disagree with this. Did you forget about Best entirely? And, thezerg > luxury? fOrGG nowhere to be found? Sure, we haven't seen him recently, but you assume he got a lot worse all of a sudden. I may disagree with PR's on occasion, and I may be a horrible BackHo fanboy, but posts like this make me glad that FakeSteve normally does the power rank. Well, if I were to do PR it would be on a monthly basis, strictly, rather than overall. Do I think, overall Luxury is better than Thezerg? Absolutely. Jaedong is the best player in the world. BeSt is top 5 easy. I'm not claiming to be an expert. I'm not going to be pretentious and pretend I know more than FS who watches every fucking game. I do "ok" in liquibet, and I watch the VODs that I'm told are interesting, and the GOM games with players I like. If I were to guess at who is doing the best THIS MONTH, it would be those players in order. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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Februarys
Korea (South)259 Posts
On September 26 2008 12:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well, if I were to do PR it would be on a monthly basis, strictly, rather than overall. Do I think, overall Luxury is better than Thezerg? Absolutely. Jaedong is the best player in the world. BeSt is top 5 easy. I'm not claiming to be an expert. I'm not going to be pretentious and pretend I know more than FS who watches every fucking game. I do "ok" in liquibet, and I watch the VODs that I'm told are interesting, and the GOM games with players I like. If I were to guess at who is doing the best THIS MONTH, it would be those players in order. I think doing the PR based on who are the current top 10 best players including their play from current month is much better than simply who performed the best this month without regarding their overall terms of skill. If we go by your method of PR, we could possibly see weak players like Rock as #1 PR, if in that month, he beats other low level players without losing any. Lets say that Jaedong lost 2 games in December to another high level player like Flash, while Rock did not lose any games during December, but he beat players like Backho and Tossgirl. Strictly looking how well they performed that month, its obvious that Rock had a better month than Jaedong. However, would you place Rock above Jaedong for December PR? I dont think so | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
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capek
United States585 Posts
On September 26 2008 13:31 Februarys wrote: I think doing the PR based on who are the current top 10 best players including their play from current month is much better than simply who performed the best this month without regarding their overall terms of skill. If we go by your method of PR, we could possibly see weak players like Rock as #1 PR, if in that month, he beats other low level players without losing any. Lets say that Jaedong lost 2 games in December to another high level player like Flash, while Rock did not lose any games during December, but he beat players like Backho and Tossgirl. Strictly looking how well they performed that month, its obvious that Rock had a better month than Jaedong. However, would you place Rock above Jaedong for December PR? I dont think so Lol if Rock was #1 TL would revolt. That being said, there is no doubt the current system (the one in the latter description) is better. I honestly think DrHelvetica just realized his mistake and is trying to cover it up with an excuse. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On September 27 2008 03:33 disciple wrote: BeSt is in better shape than JD IMO uhm, what ?  | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On September 27 2008 04:11 capek wrote: Lol if Rock was #1 TL would revolt. That being said, there is no doubt the current system (the one in the latter description) is better. I honestly think DrHelvetica just realized his mistake and is trying to cover it up with an excuse. The system of month by month is just my personal taste. | ||
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disciple
9071 Posts
BeSt is showing pretty solid results lately and JD haven't played for a while, thats why its rather logical to think that BeSt will extend his winning streak then JD starting an all-kill crusade with his MSL group. I have no doubt in him advancing, but I think he will do it the hard way | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
On September 27 2008 09:34 disciple wrote: BeSt is showing pretty solid results lately and JD haven't played for a while, thats why its rather logical to think that BeSt will extend his winning streak then JD starting an all-kill crusade with his MSL group. I have no doubt in him advancing, but I think he will do it the hard way Jaedong's latest results are just as solid as Best's. I don't see how he is playing any worse than Best. Not playing for a long time shouldn't be a factor. These guys practice 24/7. Oh and Best's opponents in the OSL were mediocre so you should elaborate more on your opinion. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On September 27 2008 09:34 disciple wrote: BeSt is showing pretty solid results lately and JD haven't played for a while, thats why its rather logical to think that BeSt will extend his winning streak then JD starting an all-kill crusade with his MSL group. I have no doubt in him advancing, but I think he will do it the hard way BeSt lacks consistent wins in all match-ups (Hello PvZ). Also Jaedong is pretty much undeniably the best player on earth, and has been for a long time. Even when Flash was invincible for half a season, Jaedong wasn't showing much weakness. He got cheesed out of OSL. It happens. | ||
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brjdrb
United States577 Posts
On September 27 2008 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: BeSt lacks consistent wins in all match-ups (Hello PvZ). Also Jaedong is pretty much undeniably the best player on earth, and has been for a long time. Even when Flash was invincible for half a season, Jaedong wasn't showing much weakness. He got cheesed out of OSL. It happens. um...jaedong didn't get cheesed out of the osl. he just got beaten | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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disciple
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Fwmeh
1286 Posts
On September 27 2008 18:47 disciple wrote: JD advanced with some difficulties so my statement is correct I would agree that Jaedong's ZvT has looked ALOT more touchable recently, the last last 6 months he is actually 9-13 in kespa sanctioned games (so not counting GOM). But really, top spot is not only about top results, it is about being the top player. Right now, I think Jaedong has even odds against the best Terran players, and overwhelming odds against any Protoss or Zerg. The same analogy does clearly not hold true for Best, while he would be even against most, I would hold July and Jaedong as CLEAR favorites over Best, and I think terrans like Flash and ForGG would be favored as well. People seem to have dropped ForGG WAY too fast IMHO. He lost two series in recent memory, in the OSL and WCG, and suddenly, he is no good? Remember, he lost against the very best PvT players there is, and he didn't get trounced either. I honestly think ForGG should have 2nd this month. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On September 27 2008 18:47 disciple wrote: JD advanced with some difficulties so my statement is correct yes but still...JD > Best, i have no doubt | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On September 27 2008 13:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: yep, let's be clear about that. han played great and beat jaedong straight-up, it was an awesome bo3 And also that was like in august ... I don't know what it has to do with Oktober's rank selection . I don't think Best deserves to be even second clearly Stork has outperformed him recently and if he demolish his rather tough MSL group he should be above Best . I don't know why Best is so high this month ( maybe because Flash has fallen) when he had played only some special PL events and that was all , but stork rolled WCG korea up to the final and qualified for both leagues . Something Best failed to do , also i think Stork's OSL group was a lot harder too . I too still think that ForGG should be in top 5 at least . I think that when you dumb Leta Luxury and probably Sea too out of the rank next month one of the slots should be taken by one of the three who passes the group of death in the OSL tiebreakers ( July , Much or Bisu ). I don't know if the map pool can get anymore worse for zergs Plasma is a bitch , and zergs need to do something to survive it (well whats left of them ) . I think Flash should still be third or fourth shuffle him with Best somehow . And don't look just at the OSL , MSL and also GSL is equal in importance now . | ||
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
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