EPTMy rank would be:
1.Jd
2.Best
3.Stork
4.ForGG
5.Flash
6.Bisu
7. Fantasy
8.Yarnc
9.FBH
10. Jangbi
Type b and GGplay for CNBC
Power Rank 09/15/2008 - Page 16
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
My rank would be: 1.Jd 2.Best 3.Stork 4.ForGG 5.Flash 6.Bisu 7. Fantasy 8.Yarnc 9.FBH 10. Jangbi Type b and GGplay for CNBC | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5676 Posts
On October 12 2008 12:17 OneOther wrote: Your reasoning is so fucking awful I almost considered not wasting my time arguing against, but I will do it anyway. So, you are basically saying that Jaedong should be placed above Stork regardless how they are performing in individual leagues because he won the last time they played? Stork is in the semifinals of OSL, buddy. Following your logic, Frozean should be placed above Jaedong since the last two games they played it was a complete one-sided rape. Oh yeah, and forGG should definitely be above JD as well. Remember the 3-0 assrape? Yeah. forGG>Jaedong, clearly. Guys, this power rank should be solely based on performance, not who we think can beat who. Sure, JD has done well against Stork in the past, but that doesn't mean we can just ignore their performances in the leagues. We never know what's going to happen. Therefore, we need to base the rankings on relative performances. We can't say Flash would beat Stork in a BO5, either. Flash isn't playing at his best, while Stork clearly is. Just because Flash has beaten him the past two finals, can we make an assumption that results would be the same? Definitely not. Stork has beaten him 3-0 before, too. Power Ranking = Monthly Performance Aham GGplay is in the OSL semis as well  | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
IMO JD is the best. If u do not agree with that it`s just ur opinion. We`ll just have to w8 and let FakeSteve decide. (if there will be a PR this month  ) | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On October 13 2008 03:36 disciple wrote: well tell me then who made something more significant from the ppl below FBH in my rank. ForGG? we've seen almost nothing from him... I wont put Flash even into consideration, he screwed the things pretty badly. Fantasy is strong but he must improve in PL, he has no other competitions to think about besides OSL, he must really contribute to SKTs performance this season, so far he is disappointing. If we make the things based on theoretical thoughts I will put Bisu in top 3 with ez. He improved a lot in his PvP just in a couple of weeks because of his solid preparation. In theory I cant find any reason why he wouldnt improve his PvT and PvZ as well in the future. You see, all you said about JD and Stork is maybe absolutely right in general. But the performance in every month, the achievements in every match are quite specific case. Once again we are talking about monthly PR right here. If we start speaking "in general" it will get quite messy. Thou he got through a slump Bisu is in general a top 3 player. The slump doesnt change anything, cause this is a normal state of each progamers carrier, JD will slump one day for sure. Will your hope in him fade away when it happens, or you will keep it with the comparison of his MU stats with someone else. The class is smth everlasting, but the current shape is something different. And to make a statement about the current shape of a player all you have to make is to take a look at his stats in exact point of time, in our case its a month (again, this is monthly PR). JD is classy, he is a champ, but looking at his performance for the last months or so and comparing all he made with what stork made tell us clearly that Stork is in a better shape you're right, that all the other players that u ranked above FBH got some problem, like a crappy mu, my problem with FBH on the forth spot is he basicly came from nowhere, he wasnt even at the CNBC, than he quilfies the MSL and let's put him on the 4. place. You may be right, his Tvt and TvZ were very good, his pvt sucked. now he got good pvt he must be a damn good player. Theoeticly yes, but he should play more games to prove that now he's as good as he looks, not only he had a good day. Yes, I agree we should make PR based on montly performence. Let's skip the part that X player lost to Y 3 months ago, and he would lose again right now. Let's take the facts. JD lost one game to frozean and one to fake yellow. As Oneorher just pointed out, and i had to agree with him, Yarnc is a quite good adversary droping him a game shoudn't be considered critical factor. The game against Frozean, F played close to perfection, it wasnt JD's fault, just watch the game pls, not say things based on the results. The rest of his games were genial, his comebacks against go.go's early agressive tactics, they were really awesome, it's not bias opinion, everybody should tell those were beautiful wins. Stork, he played very well, i agree, he's in the both leauges, i know, but there are some factors, so i woudn't place him 1st. His game against Kal, he throw it away in a very ugly way losing FOUR(!!!) reavers for no reason. It's not about dropping a game to a decent player, he screwed it badly. Than the siries against Bisu, Bisu had that series, he threw away the 3th game, go and watch it, and say that Bisu just got outplayed. NO! he lost his shuttle with reavers for no reason, (and kept attacking uphill). I really dont have nothing against Stork, but he's not the best player out there, not right now, if he beat forgg and best, or even one of them in a convincing style (like forgg playing well and still loosing to him) than we may talk about him being 1st. He's good, he got luck too, he's not the best player of the world right now. EDIT: I kept writing siries instead of series, now i corrected it here, but it may be still wrong in the previous posts, sorry for that. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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disciple
9069 Posts
 actually I'm quite hardcore bisu fan so I've watched the series vs stork, the 3rd game to be honest just once cause it pained me as I watched it online, I figure out what was going to happen when he lost the shuttle. Stork played well there, he broke the contain with nice micro, not that many ppl could have done that (at least Much couldnt in the tiebreak game vs Bisu), so he deserves much credit for turning out the outcome of the game, it wasnt all bisu. never mind I'm trying to be as less biased as possible (I dont like both JD and Stork actually but it doesnt matter at all) | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On October 13 2008 04:24 disciple wrote: dont worry about typing mistakes my English sux big time as well actually I'm quite hardcore bisu fan so I've watched the series vs stork, the 3rd game to be honest just once cause it pained me as I watched it online, I figure out what was going to happen when he lost the shuttle. Stork played well there, he broke the contain with nice micro, not that many ppl could have done that (at least Much couldnt in the tiebreak game vs Bisu), so he deserves much credit for turning out the outcome of the game, it wasnt all bisu. never mind I'm trying to be as less biased as possible (I dont like both JD and Stork actually but it doesnt matter at all)yah, he's playin very good, i dont want to take it away from him, it woudnt be a shame if he lost, but he needed that wasted shuttle with reavers to win the game and advance. The thing i dont like it's, ppl saying, Stork beated Bisu he's better pvp he may take down Best, he most be 1st PR, for Bisu, well he should go for the 8th/9th rank and be proud that he may be Best's practice partner (ok, i admit, i made up the last part, dont kill me for it, i dont mean it). I wonder if Bisu would have won that game, as he certainly could have won it, what would all these ppl say now | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On October 13 2008 03:47 Geo.Rion wrote: stop using fuck and shit, it dosent make you look cool. I try to write in a tolerant way even though i just registered, as a staff member you should try it too, it doesnt hurts. I apologize calling yarnc and GGplay mediocre zergs, lets say they arent top zergs, GGplay had a comfortable walk into the ro8 (ligh, rock), and here came Flash, GGplay was considered an underdog, and yet he won. As for yarnc his zvt is good his zvz is good his zvp is bad. It may not be a shame to lose to them, even for flash, or to drop a game against a less known player in PL, but doing this in a short period of time, that's really is a problem. You're right i forgot about the match against Much, the match against july was mor than a month ago, and you pointed out that PR should be about "MONTHLY" performence. So this way Flash is 6-5 in the past 30 days, losing the games that counted the most, do you think he deserves 5th place? Or u "speculate" that he's still very good despite of the facts. About Forgg you skipped the argumentative parts. I wrote, even though he had few games he won them in a convincing style, against decent opponents. Well he would beat Flash, yes, this is a speculation, or a bet based on experience, he beat him 3-1, his TvT was awesome after that, Flash, well he wasnt doing too well lately, so everything points in the direction Forgg would come ahead. That's not for sure, yeah, it could be called speculation, but I still gave you normal argument, that you just skipped, and answered to me with this post filled with thrash-words. I do apologize for using shit and fuck, but calling my post "filled with thrash-words" is certainly an exaggeration since I used them only once. Your "normal argument" was that forGG should be placed above Flash because he will come out victorious if they played, based on his recent games. I didn't skip anything. It's still a speculative evidence that should not affect the power rankings. What I am saying is, forGG hasn't shown any performance that would justify his placement above Flash. At least Flash made it to the RO8 of OSL. | ||
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traced
1739 Posts
On October 12 2008 18:16 OneOther wrote: Fuck. Let's end the discussion with Tyranid's post. Now we got a guy suggesting the TLPD should be used to determine the power rankings. Of course the sample size is small. But THAT SMALL SIZED SAMPLE MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN HOW THE PLAYERS PERFORM IN LEAGUES. If Stork went 2-1 vs Bisu and advances to the OSL semis, it SHOULD play a significant role in the upcoming power rankings. It's only three games, but it makes a huge difference. I don't care if Jaedong went 2-3 or something verses cannon rushes and bunker all ins. Let's say he gets eliminated from whatever league while player B does not, then player B automatically earns PR points. Favorites in player verses player matchups...I have been talking about the flaws in that method for a while now. Are you a mindless Jaedong fanboy or just...dumb? Are you actually saying that Jaedong should be #1 even if Stork beats BeSt and goes on to win the OSL? Here's a nice example. Let's just imagine that we were doing a power ranking for NBA. Portland Blazers just won the championship. On the other hand, the Boston Celtics, who have been ranked #1 throughout the entire regular season, got eliminated in the earlier playoff rounds by some other team. Don't you agree that the Blazers should be #1 on the Power Ranking? i absolutely don't mean offense, but you just don't understand the concept of sample size. i mean most sports fans don't, and don't want to either, but there's no reason to debate when our outlooks are so fundamentally opposed. however, that nba example is unfair, the question is loaded - of course they'd be #1. but in starcraft there are two concurrent leagues, and i don't think winning only one league is comparable to the nba championship. games are more decided by luck in starcraft than in basketball. the playoff structure in basketball is much more favorable to the better teams over starcraft, given the longer series, and given the starleagues' pool round. an improvement on the hypothetical would be the 2006 world series when the cardinals won, as baseball playoffs are similar to starcraft leagues in terms of confidence level. the cardinals were called "the worst team to ever win a world series." even though they won, there was a general agreement that they were probably not even a top 5 team. sometimes the worse team just wins. that's, well, that's the definition of odds. | ||
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disciple
9069 Posts
On October 13 2008 04:35 Geo.Rion wrote: yah, he's playin very good, i dont want to take it away from him, it woudnt be a shame if he lost, but he needed that wasted shuttle with reavers to win the game and advance. The thing i dont like it's, ppl saying, Stork beated Bisu he's better pvp he may take down Best, he most be 1st PR, for Bisu, well he should go for the 8th/9th rank and be proud that he may be Best's practice partner (ok, i admit, i made up the last part, dont kill me for it, i dont mean it). I wonder if Bisu would have won that game, as he certainly could have won it, what would all these ppl say now storks PvP is better than Bisus in general, but the revolutionist has brought the gap to the absolute minimum. Bisu vs Best was going to be seesaw but... yeah one shuttle sniped and its all over, there were actually a couple of factors. I dont put Storks amazing pvp mechanics in doubt, but I think Bisu slightly outclassed him those two games, and if werent the blunders Bisu was the better prepared player. But with 1:1 on the scoreboard and in a do-or-die game anything could happen, even to forget the goon range so I think stork truly deserved to advance more than Bisu | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On October 13 2008 06:52 disciple wrote: storks PvP is better than Bisus in general, but the revolutionist has brought the gap to the absolute minimum. Bisu vs Best was going to be seesaw but... yeah one shuttle sniped and its all over, there were actually a couple of factors. I dont put Storks amazing pvp mechanics in doubt, but I think Bisu slightly outclassed him those two games, and if werent the blunders Bisu was the better prepared player. But with 1:1 on the scoreboard and in a do-or-die game anything could happen, even to forget the goon range so I think stork truly deserved to advance more than BisuStork was THE best at PvP until Best caught up. They are even now, and I can't wait for the match! | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
On October 13 2008 07:23 OneOther wrote: Watching Backho vs Stork...and then randomly selecting any of Best's pvp games in recent months, does not give me any confidence in Stork taking down best. Stork was THE best at PvP until Best caught up. They are even now, and I can't wait for the match! Prediction: Best> Stork 3-1 | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On October 13 2008 11:50 ScarFace wrote: Watching Backho vs Stork...and then randomly selecting any of Best's pvp games in recent months, does not give me any confidence in Stork taking down best. Prediction: Best> Stork 3-1 Analyzing the quality of opponents and the games with my abundant PvP knowledge, Prediction Stork>Best 3-1 no bias, of course traced: I typed up a nice long response to your post..until my computer shut down. Lol. | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
Frankly it is pointless to make the september PR at this point. We are midway through october where the players we are debating over have already played more games than in the whole month of september: Jaedong played 3 games in september and already 3 games in october Stork played 3 games in september and already 8 games in october ( where he qualified for BOTH leagues. If this was september 30'th there would be no argument that Stork should be abore JD) Best played 3 games in september and already 6 games in october Firebathero demonstrated his TvP skills in october. If the september rank is posted, it should only touch the games played in september. As we debate right now we take into account the games played in october as well. Actually the majority of the games in some player's cases (stork, FBH). So if the September PR is released, then we will not get the up do date accurate standings. We will get 2 week old standings which by now have changed. On the other hand the PR could be released say on october 17'th. What the fuck is the point of that? That messes up the whole power rank system. The PR, up until the last couple months, has always been relatively on time (give or take a few days). So if say the PR is released in mid october, will the PR continue being released in the middle of each month or will you make a "half" PR and post it in the beginning of november? In this post I am not trying to imply anything negative about the efforts of Fakesteve and Deadvessel. I am just saying you guys should regroup and sort out when you have time to do the PR. Or nominate someone else with more free time to take over it. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On October 13 2008 09:08 zer0das wrote: I don't know about even. Best just doesn't make many mistakes in PvP, and he capitalizes on small ones made by his opponent and makes them rather large... I would say I can't even remember when he lost, but that'd be a lie: it was to Stork an age and a half ago. I don't think Stork could ever claim to be as consistently good in the matchup as Best has been. Although he was the gold standard (silver standard?) of PvP before Best came around... Actually stork has a good chance against best, and imo it could go either way. U can`t just say that best doesn`t make mistakes. Anyone COULD make mistakes. So we`ll just have to w8 and see. I predict a close match. Even if Best/Stork wins 3-0, there will be some close games. | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada948 Posts
Stork 3-0 | ||
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capek
United States585 Posts
On October 14 2008 01:20 Little-Chimp wrote: Stork will proxy gate best 3 games in a row haha and lose On October 14 2008 01:20 Little-Chimp wrote: Best 3-0 | ||
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disciple
9069 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On October 14 2008 04:00 disciple wrote: btw if BeSt beats Stork 3-0 which is most likely to happen he will extend his PvP winning streak to 20 games !!!111!11 sad thing is that if he wins it 3-1 his streak gonna be broken because of a game which does not count | ||
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