EPTWhich map and matchup has historically been the mo
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pat777
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Lukeeze[zR]
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LxRogue
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Jyvblamo
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-Groove
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If I am thinking of the wrong map and Forte isnt an island map? Oh well, oops. | ||
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dementus
Singapore1151 Posts
however, this is probably yet another treacherous mani poll, and mercury's definitely not the answer. he's relying on mercury's infamy to steer us away from the right answer. (but i voted for it anyway -_-) oh, and was enter the dragon an old school map? | ||
mikeymoo
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MuShu
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Guybrush
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Gokey
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Wasabi
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On July 15 2007 19:16 -Groove wrote: I voted Forte, because island maps suck for ZvP. If I am thinking of the wrong map and Forte isnt an island map? Oh well, oops. yea it's the wrong map. Forte isn't island. It's the 4 player map with insanely small mains and a nat that has 3 minerals above and 3 minerals below. | ||
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Locked
United States4182 Posts
neo forte had plenty of great zvp games that i don't remember it being super imba, gaema was pretty balanced, r-point was a little off but not terribly so i don't remember much about Enter the Dragon so maybe that was it ;O | ||
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CustomXSpunjah
United States1093 Posts
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fEAthEr
Canada482 Posts
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13414 Posts
Did a protoss ever win a PvZ on that map in competitive play? | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
god that shit is hard | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
edit: Reach beat Yellow on Mercury, at least. | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
On July 15 2007 22:44 RowdierBob wrote: I went ETD ZvT, but where was Mercury for PvZ? Did a protoss ever win a PvZ on that map in competitive play? ktf autumn (was it ktf autumn? there were two of them, the one im referring to retired) won a game on mercury. i think it was a long game with carriers, sairs and reavers (possibly against saferzerg, or one of the other zergs that have faded into obscurity). then there was the EVER 3rd place decider between reach and yellow, the 5th game on mercury where reach stormed yellows entire army into dust then walked across the map and killed him mercury was a pretty bad map all around. terran beat zerg and protoss on it just for playing terran, though pvz was by far the worst matchup to play on it. ETD zvt was pretty ridiculous. what were the map makers thinking when they let that one go off into competitive play? i vote for this | ||
GTR
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estebannam
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On July 15 2007 23:19 SoMuchBetter wrote: ktf autumn (was it ktf autumn? there were two of them, the one im referring to retired) won a game one mercury. i think it was a long game with carriers, sairs and reavers. then there was the IOPS final between reach and yellow, the 5th game on mercury where reach stormed yellows entire army into dust then walked across the map and killed him mercury was a pretty bad map all around. terran beat zerg and protoss on it just for playing terran, though pvz was by far the worst matchup to play on it. ETD zvt was pretty ridiculous. what were the map makers thinking when they let that one go off into competitive play? i vote for this that was the 3rd/4th place match, not the final and yeah KTF's Autumn was the guy who won there | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
and yeah its ever not iops, also my mistake | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
On July 15 2007 19:16 -Groove wrote: I voted Forte, because island maps suck for ZvP. If I am thinking of the wrong map and Forte isnt an island map? Oh well, oops. I think you might have been thinking of neo forbidden zone. enclosed mains on that map. | ||
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P_King
Russian Federation363 Posts
so TvZ imba =) | ||
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On July 16 2007 01:27 P_King wrote: R-Point = Lim-Point so TvZ imba =) interestingly enough the map was nicknamed Lim-Point more because of his uncharacteristically dominant TvP play on it | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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GeneralCash
Croatia346 Posts
i demand an r-point tvp button!! 4 easily defendable gasses are gay. this map crushed whaat remained of my dream to keep a winning record on pgt T_T | ||
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joeki
Sweden292 Posts
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MaTRiX[SiN]
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Naib
Hungary4903 Posts
 (universe-wide^^)From these options...I think it was ETD ZvT | ||
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Vin{MBL}
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thedeadhaji
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PePe QuiCoSE
Argentina1204 Posts
i don't really know statistics, but from my perspective ETD is the most imbalanced maps in said match up. But if this is a mind trick poll, it would probably be sin gaema gowon since there is no mention of it's imbalances whatsoever | ||
Hot_Bid
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Asta
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mikeymoo
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On July 15 2007 20:30 Locked wrote: mercury was terribly imbalanced PvZ but i don't recall the PvT being that unreasonable... then again there were so few Ps due to the PvZ problem neo forte had plenty of great zvp games that i don't remember it being super imba, gaema was pretty balanced, r-point was a little off but not terribly so i don't remember much about Enter the Dragon so maybe that was it ;O ugh siegable minlines, suuuuuuper wide nat chokes, so it was insanely stupid to not vult harass....most games I watched, I held my breath every time the toss exited his choke. on top of that, not much cliffs, so carriers arent super strong http://sc.gosugamers.net/bilder/maps/pic/mercury.jpg hmm... I remember the chokes being wider. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
I would definitely say the correct answer has to to with TvX, as its the main balancing factor when making a map (and hardest to accomplish). So its either ETD or R-Point 50/50. | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
Mercury must be the bait answer. | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
had some great games on there. | ||
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Resonate
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k3fka
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CTStalker
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oneofthem
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mikeymoo
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Beamo
France1279 Posts
But was expecting Paradoxxx PvZ Some players like TheWind decided to play T instead of Z because it was so bad. I think this was also the time Chojja was talkng of making a switch to Terran (which he never did) | ||
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RaiZ
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On July 17 2007 02:25 k3fka wrote: Z vs P on gaema was impossible , and P vs Z on mercury was even more impossible (if its possible to be even more impossible than something that is impossible)........ What do you mean by gaema ? Worst for z or for p ? Because if it was bad for z, then i'd really not understand at all why it'd be. You have almost one free expand, which you can take it rather easily. Hard rush ? Nobody forces you to put ur 2nd hatch in the expand. At least make it in the check then 3rd + 4th hatches in expand => freewin. ZvT on the other hand... Well i don't think it need to clarify. | ||
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Future_sc
United States783 Posts
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Locked
United States4182 Posts
On July 17 2007 17:14 Future wrote: it isnt listed but zvp on azelea is the most imba imo. azalea isn't used in progamer leagues though | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27173 Posts
The answer is... Enter the Dragon! This match was a zerg graveyard as Terran walked away with an 18-7 (72%) record. Factors that led to this was a natural that was far far away, no gas anywhere, and only two possible positions. Terrans loved it. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27173 Posts
 Enjoy | ||
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