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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On May 27 2007 02:50 ilbh wrote: lol stork the best protoss... rapped by much and ggplay he is good but not that much better than bisu is a joke ffs
"raped by much and ggplay"? he lost in PL to much yes, but he also beat him in msl :p and vs ggplay was more of a fucked up unlucky build or whatever you may call it
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On May 26 2007 18:02 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Imho its bad mannered and arrogant. Not in a cool way but in a non respectful way. Gorush must have had the pressure of his life, because he knew : if he lost to someones off race he could bury himself as well ; D
Yeah my point exactly, you can see it both ways. To go off-race means you lose potential, and Savior would've reached Midas-esque ridicule hadn't he advanced in the end. On the other hand, he knew that he would have to pull a 2-0 in the event that he'd lose his TvZ, thus pushing himself out of his comfort zone as well, which I find very respectable and ballsy.
What's certain is that it was a good show :-)
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On May 26 2007 18:02 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Imho its bad mannered and arrogant. Not in a cool way but in a non respectful way. Gorush must have had the pressure of his life, because he knew : if he lost to someones off race he could bury himself as well ; D
I'm pretty sure Savior and Gorush are friends though so I don't think it was a big deal and was probably mostly fun. If Gorush had lost he might feel a little bad or embarrassed or whatever but I doubt he would feel or did feel disrespected.
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On May 27 2007 02:50 ilbh wrote: lol stork the best protoss... rapped by much and ggplay he is good but not that much better than bisu is a joke ffs
What you said would have merit if Stork didn't beat Bisu.... but of course, he did. Much also "rapped" Bisu. Stork has been playing wonderfully beating big names left and right while Bisu has just been losing left and right.
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On May 27 2007 16:52 vnlegend wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2007 02:50 ilbh wrote: lol stork the best protoss... rapped by much and ggplay he is good but not that much better than bisu is a joke ffs
What you said would have merit if Stork didn't beat Bisu.... but of course, he did. Much also "rapped" Bisu. Stork has been playing wonderfully beating big names left and right while Bisu has just been losing left and right.
By left and right, I hope you mean in Proleague only.
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United States20661 Posts
On May 27 2007 12:05 boghat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2007 18:02 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Imho its bad mannered and arrogant. Not in a cool way but in a non respectful way. Gorush must have had the pressure of his life, because he knew : if he lost to someones off race he could bury himself as well ; D
I'm pretty sure Savior and Gorush are friends though so I don't think it was a big deal and was probably mostly fun. If Gorush had lost he might feel a little bad or embarrassed or whatever but I doubt he would feel or did feel disrespected.
I think it is still somewhat awkward though. GoRush contributed greatly to what sAviOr is today - don't you think their playstyles are extremely similar? They were teammates, and GoRush practically raised sAviOr.
Then, sAviOr goes and offraces against his one time mentor because he's the shit these days. Iono, I'd be so pissed if I was GoRush - especially because in Asian culture, respect towards teachers and elders is SO important.
I am quite happy GoRush beat him with ridiculous humiliation strategy.
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United States5262 Posts
Almost time for a new Power Rank~~ =D
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Predictions? ;D
1. Bisu 2. Savior 3. Stork 4. Nada 5. Oov 6. Hwasin 7. Sea 8. Nal_rA 9. July 10. Gorush
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
You may want to consider Firebathero on the next PR.
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United States20661 Posts
Bisu definitely NOT in first.
He's doing well in individual leagues, but no better than July or rA or Stork or any of those beasts.
To top that, he sports one of the worst ProLeague records around - worse than Hery, worse than MuMyung [ok so MuMyung has a very good record] - almost as bad as Clon's.
Does not deserve first.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
Bisu is in both MSL and OSL though, Nal_rA is only in MSL, so is July. But Stork is in both, yes.
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Id say being undefeated in both major leagues overides having a losing record in proleague. You could still match bisu up with all the top players and hed probably win.
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Yes the whole point is Bisu keeps on winning against Savior and Nada - see WWI - and is only slumping in Proleague, so he should probably be first. I'd go something like
1. Bisu 2. Savior 3. Stork 4. Oov 5. Nada 6. Nal_rA 7. Hwasin 8. July 9. Sea 10. FirebatHero
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I know Bisu beats Savior every time right now but I still think Savior deserves number 1 more than Bisu.
Proleague: Savior 3-4 1v1, 2-1 2v2 Bisu 1-5 1v1, 0-1 2v2
OSL: Savior 2-0 over iloveoov and By.Flash Bisu 2-0 over Nada and Darkelf
MSL: Savior advanced 2-1 losing to Gorush in the game Savior played Terran Bisu advanced 2-1 losing to Oversky
Savior was more concerned about playing Gorush again in the 5th game in the MSL ro32 than actually advancing. He's pimp and deserves #1.
On May 29 2007 06:48 MyLovelyLurker wrote: Yes the whole point is Bisu keeps on winning against Savior and Nada - see WWI -
Beating Nada 2-0 at the WWI isn't any more impressive or even less so than Savior beating Nal_rA 2-0 at the WWI. I'd say Nal_rA is in better form than Nada right now, he's 8-3 in PL compared to Nada's 7-6. Then Bisu beat Savior 2-1. Fine. But that's just one little tournament that means absolutely nothing so if you look at the other stats Savior definitely deserves it. We'll see if Bisu can keep beating Savior in games that matter, the MSL and OSL, but until then Savior gets the #1 spot.
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Well, Ra deserves more love. That's for sure. Who's this light kid right? I mean, Ra is the light of my life.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
Why is it that SJM always speaks the truth?
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ToSs Lover Carnac ; )
Im p gamer on my own.. and i also <3 Reach, Bisu , Ra ect.. but NaDa, Savior.. well basicaly i love skill more than anything else..
side note : did you guys realize, that Kingdom is basicaly the pro gamer who is around for almost.. like boxerish time..
i found an old interview of Grrrr... from 00 ( !! ) where he should name a few players of the best race.. and guess what..
[AoS]Kingdom was mentioned, too.. omg sick.. this guy is active for 8 years now o___O
still he isnt one of the all time greats.... ( srry carnac )
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Hmm, a bit tough to place top 3-4 now, with the current records of Stork, Bisu, Savior. Same goes for NaDa, if he loses the next OSL game he's pretty much out, no individual league... imo Bisu and sAviOr still deserve top2 one way or the other, above Stork, just for this PR to see what'll happen next, all three indeed are in both leagues and doing well, but sAviOr and Bisu hold the titles after all :-) Until Stork defeats one of them in a Starleague he shouldn't go above them in PR. When one of those three will fall out of a Starleague things can change, that'll happen soon enough since Strok vs sAviOr @ MSL Ro16, Bo3, will say alot, but thats not for the upcoming PR :-) Lets see if DJ can predict it correctly :-P
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A bo3 never really says that much but since it's all we can base skill on those will definitely be important games for our Power Rank. I can't wait for them!
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Stork should be above Savior and Bisu, although it's close. All three are in the two major leagues and doing well, but Stork's also been tearing through Proleague at the same time, something which rarely happens. He has an amazing 9-2 in Proleague (I think only Sea comes close with 8-3), compared to Savior's 3-4 and Bisu's 1-5. Granted, Savior's four losses were two ZvZ's, one to a cannon rush, and one from HIM, so I can understand putting Savior above Stork (since Savior's undefeated in OSL and MSL aside from playing off-race vs Gorush).
Yet Stork is undefeated in the major leagues as well, other than his failed proxy robo vs GGPlay, which should be discounted if we were so willing to overlook Savior's loss to Ra's cannon rush. Furthermore, if we're willing to overlook Savior's ZvZ losses, then the same should be done for Stork's loss against Much in Proleague (since PvP and ZvZ both have a lot of luck) - especially since he beat Much in the MSL just a few days after. That leaves Stork with one loss I can't explain, which was against Sea.Leta. Maybe that one loss is enough to keep him from #1 on the Power Rank, I dunno.
As for Bisu, I think his 1-5 in Proleague speaks for itself.
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