Jangbi – I gave you the nod last month, and I’m not going to do it again without proper evidence. While I am aware that PvP is mostly luck, losing 0-2 to Anytime and then dropping games against Jaedong, Chojja, and Mumyung is not the best way to repay my faith in you.
Jaedong – I should have listened to my gut and gone with oov, but damn it, Jaedong, I wanted to believe in someone other than a Terran. You’re not even close at this point, and I will never share a cigar and scotch with you.
By.Flash – I’m done, as you can see above, giving unproven, promising players the benefit of the doubt. You’re looking great right now, but I’m waiting to see how you hold up under pressure and on maps that don’t give you a gross advantage.
Bifrost – I still don’t think much of your play, but you’re in both Starleagues. That’s something, I guess. Prove me wrong if you want to make the PR.
GGPlay – You’ve clawed your way back into the OSL, just like I said you would, but going 0-2 against Ever)P(TT to miss out on the MSL is enough to keep you out of the Power Rank. It’s Ever)P(TT—mind-boggling.
Midas – You are terrible.
Sea.Up – You demolished Pusan and a few newcomers on your way to the OSL and missed the MSL by a single game—a shame, really. I’d like to see more of you.
Boxer – You made an MSL after joining the Air Force. And although saying that sentence aloud gives me a boner, I need to see you beat more than three no-name Zerg players before I put you into the PR.
Reach – Your game against Sea on Hitchhiker was essence of man. It was manliness distilled—just heroic in every sense of the word. But you were so awful just a few months ago that I’m not willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Sea[Shield] – You’re in the MSL, and the only reason you’re not in the OSL is, well, the power of the man.
Child – You went 4-2 in April, losing only to Bisu, but you’ve always been so bad. I’m still keeping an eye on you, though.
Free[gm] – You got so lucky in your 2-0 PvT against MBC, but I’m keeping an eye on you, just in case your PvT isn’t a huge joke anymore. You already have, in my opinion, the best PvZ in the world (yes, better than Bisu), meaning that you’ll be a force if you can figure out your PvT expansion and power timing.
DarkElf – I can’t believe I just typed your name while writing about the Power Rank, but I did. You’re in the OSL, you nearly made the MSL, and—I can’t believe I’m saying this—your play lately has actually looked good—really good. It just… it’s like my world has been turned upside down… so dizzy…
[QUOTE]On April 30 2007 15:17 Kennigit wrote: [quote] Midas – You are terrible. [/quote what....the....fuck? He's 8:3 in his last 11 games for christ's sake. He won a critical match last night against Keke and he's "terrible"?[/QUOTE]
I think this is more to do with the backlash of not making the OSL - a direct result of being stupid in the previous OSL.
[QUOTE]On April 30 2007 15:22 Jyvblamo wrote: [QUOTE]On April 30 2007 15:17 Kennigit wrote: [quote] Midas – You are terrible. [/quote what....the....fuck? He's 8:3 in his last 11 games for christ's sake. He won a critical match last night against Keke and he's "terrible"?[/QUOTE]
I think this is more to do with the backlash of not making the OSL - a direct result of being stupid in the previous OSL.[/QUOTE] Well then why is it called Power Rank May if we are talking about leagues from 2 months ago?
[QUOTE]On April 30 2007 15:23 Kennigit wrote: [QUOTE]On April 30 2007 15:22 Jyvblamo wrote: [QUOTE]On April 30 2007 15:17 Kennigit wrote: [quote] Midas – You are terrible. [/quote what....the....fuck? He's 8:3 in his last 11 games for christ's sake. He won a critical match last night against Keke and he's "terrible"?[/QUOTE]
I think this is more to do with the backlash of not making the OSL - a direct result of being stupid in the previous OSL.[/QUOTE] Well then why is it called Power Rank May if we are talking about leagues from 2 months ago?[/QUOTE]
Because this Power Rank is written by 1 person with opinions that will inevitably be influenced by things like that. Power Rank is not a science, and that's why its damn more entertaining to read than the KESPA ranking.
This list is really good but in keeping with the same precedent with most of the names on this list, Midas should definitely still be on it, not sure who would leave though because it definitely is a good list.
His PvT vs Sea was pretty damn good. In the essence of his masterful use in spell casting, he was able to cripple a huge army of tanks/vult/goliaths even after getting emp'd by sci vessels reducing the strength of his arbiters. His micro is incredible and flexible, despite whatever horrible timing he may have in that mu, he's shown intotherainbow-esque manipulation and harass. Simply put, he's intotherainbow in steroids, and that's a relative force to reckon with. Also stopping that m+m push by ruby was well executed. Any other player in his level would have had taken more loses and slip ups, but he kept a cool head and was able to precisely level down the forces presented outside his nat. True, he was pumping from 2 gas, but I thought the terran's push was near perfect in timing, catching him just a few seconds after the 3rd nexus's completion. Any later, free would've been pumping up a mass army. Was the M+M push reckless? Out of spite for the reaver harass? Then again, that reaver harass was extremely articulate and precise oO
Who for ffs can disagree with the midas statement ? Midas just doesnt deserve to hang around in a ''POWER ranking'' anymore. He is just not the kind of player i call 'powerfull' at all. He has good tecnique and everything, but he's just nothing special. Simple as that. And you need to be something special to be in the top 10 PR.
I find this top 10 pretty accurate.. maybe u could have put Reach into it, too but.. no real need.. he has yet to prove if he can keep on doing good
Ya that was strange for sure, no one can deny that Midas is still top 3-4 terran imo. If he was to play a bo5 right now vs Savior or Bisu, he would only be slighlty underdog. Kinda strange to see Hwasin in there instead of Midas but hey, can't complain about much else so good job on the ranking. Hoping to see Free in there pretty soon
Savior's still riding the 2006 wave there with the #3 spot. He's just no longer showing that evil cheater-HP-bar end boss form. That's not to say he's not a top 3 player now, but his power level has certainly diminished.
On April 30 2007 11:06 DrainX wrote: He is already in both OSL and MSL and so he didnt have to qualify, also we havnt seen him play in proleague all that much.
Since winning the the last OSL Savior has lost...
0-3 to Bisu Won 3-1 over Casy 1-3 to Nada 0-2 at the Superfight to Bisu and Oov 0-2 in Proleague 1v1 to Calm and Nal_ra
Albiet, he has won 2 proleague 2v2's with Much.
Excuse me if I've missed any games.
I really don't think Savior should be on the next Power Rank, since it's supposed to be a gauge of 'hot or not' kind of thing.
Edit: Added vs Casy.
I guess 4-11 Is good enough for #2 on the pR baby!
I'm glad that finally Stork, the ``future of Protoss`` finally makes it on PR with a great record hope to see some more from him soon Bisu played amazing in PvT against Midas on Longinus, hopefully he can start beating more awesome TvP'ers (oov,forgg,light) in the near present ^^ hopefully i can see boxer(just for being back) and reach(holy shit PvT against sea on hitchhiker was AMAZING) on the PR soon ^^
On April 30 2007 16:49 Pressure wrote: I'm glad that finally Stork, the ``future of Protoss`` finally makes it on PR with a great record hope to see some more from him soon Bisu played amazing in PvT against Midas on Longinus, hopefully he can start beating more awesome TvP'ers (oov,forgg,light) in the near present ^^ hopefully i can see boxer(just for being back) and reach(holy shit PvT against sea on hitchhiker was AMAZING) on the PR soon ^^
Stork really is the future of the race. Boxer wasn't throwing words around when he said that.
Ever since Stork's last entry into OSL (the one where he got hatch bugged by real YellOw), I've prayed for him to rise back up. I was so glad after watching him advance from ODT (it's the only group I watched), but damn man, I had no idea he was doing so damn well.
I think Ruby deserves a spot in the lower tier players, he is not like a total revelation, but the matches he has played, he has shown a great potential, and the game he won in Proleague (TvT can't remember against who I think it was ACE Team) he had some amazing drop ship control.
I watched that game Nada lost vs Stork live and I was just wowed by Storks macro in combination with his reaver micro...definitely glad to see him up on that list. He RAPED Nada.
"Also (this is not in regard to this newspost, but) if I see another comment about how Arkanoid is this and that bad for P it's going to induce in me some serious and incontrollable vomiting. That map has some of the worst balance issues ever (every matchup actually) in terms of TvP. Against T!!! Go check it up P crybabies.
Don't have the recent statistics, but from around early April it was somewhere around 66% in favour of P (OK, just checked, "61.2% on Arkanoid" - this is from Apr. 17th). And almost every report I saw at least one of the "incredible, but xy (P) pulled off a win vs yx (T) on Arkanoid! Amazing!" Duh. Of course he did, like the thousands before him, WTF."
Also:
"I have a question.
Where does the idea that balanced maps should bring us equal amount of players per race come from? Is it a presupposition that equal amount of players per race entered the pool in the first place? Has anybody counted the racial distribution on each stage of the two leagues? That is the T-Z-P ratio from before the offline prelims up to the winner of a league. Would be interesting I think."
random note: with this power rank, Savior is now the only one of two guys to have stayed on it every month. I guess he'll have to drop off the list eventually.
Stork is hot again (when I first saw Boxer's predictions as a guy who had recently started viewing the pro scene again, I was like "who's stork?"), yepyep, and though I disagree with dropping Midas I'm hopelessly waiting for emoterran to overcome his weak nerves.
On April 30 2007 18:38 pOOwarrior- wrote: random note: with this power rank, Savior is now the only guy to have stayed on it every month. I guess he'll have to drop off the list eventually.
Nice list. And finally we'll see real action in this month -.-
Am I the only one who doesn't look forward to the balanced games? Results for TvZ on Geometry so far are 5:0. Even though creators claims baekdu is ancestor of this map, this maps are absolutely different. TvZ on the Longinus or on the Neo Arcanoid is walk in the park under summer shiny sky compared to the geometry
Free[gm] – ... You already have, in my opinion, the best PvZ in the world (yes, better than Bisu)
Word! Free doesnt need fancy new startegys to beat zerg. Before bisu played savior free was the only protoss to invert the ZvP imba. Would love to see him in OSL or MSL soon :S
I like this month PR a lot more than last month :-) well done! The one major issue imo is that obviously Midas > Iris, and even if he wasn't he still has a place in top10... and probably above Ra, Hwasin, Much and Iris. You give no explanation at all? However, no list of only 10 can be perfect, and you've done a great job with the CBNC list :-) Giving Stork #4 is a bit too much for now imo, but he may prove he's worth it.
Anyway BoxeR made it to MSL, Reach made it to OSL, and ACE won a Proleague match... I could die a happy man right now :-)
I think Up deserves a place in the ranking. The guy is a fucking menace. His raping of Pusan in the ODT was ridiculous, and his match against Iris on Iris' own TvT playground Peaks in proleague was very impressing.
Sea should also be there mostly due to his proleague performances(ok he lost to free, but thats 1 game). His micro and especially macro is and has always been awesome, but also his sense is terrific too, like when he was damaged early against this Protoss on Geometry. He knew he would lose if he kept playing standard so he attacked with most of his scvs and nonstop 2-3 fac units. In a game he was clearly losing he reversed it in one brilliant move.
I wont make a case for Flash, but hes going to prove my point when OSL starts anyway
As for Iris, Much and Hwasin. Havent really been impressing me any games the past month.
And Mynock, I too hate when Protoss players whine, but T>P on Arkanoid. That's a fact. You're sounding like tfeign when you bring up stats data like that.
quite a good PR but its missing child; well atleast in the close but no cigar... he did beat oov, then pusan to advance into MSL; as well as preforming quite well in PL
On May 01 2007 01:06 Guybrush wrote: I think Up deserves a place in the ranking. The guy is a fucking menace. His raping of Pusan in the ODT was ridiculous, and his match against Iris on Iris' own TvT playground Peaks in proleague was very impressing.
I agree too, despite the fact the maps were terran favoured, up's performance transcends the imbalance
On May 01 2007 01:12 Guybrush wrote: And Mynock, I too hate when Protoss players whine, but T>P on Arkanoid. That's a fact. You're sounding like tfeign when you bring up stats data like that.
The fact is, there is not a single map that ever favours T > P. MAYBE Legacy of Char was one such map. MAYBE.
Also, when P play T on a map that comes close to being balanced they miss their usual imba "feel" and start crying.
Toss is a race for the girls I guess that explains why P players are so gay for Reach
i'm new in this site and all but comon.. midas is so top10 and thats a solid fact.. and the guy who made this list obviously has a problem with midas from his comment.. very biased.
he won all his 4 games in pro league.. so he didnt get to move up in osl.. big deal he was in group with bisu so what? he beat so many players in this 10 list way more than they beat him.. and he is way way way better than much and iris they arent even in the same scale..
On May 01 2007 01:12 Guybrush wrote: And Mynock, I too hate when Protoss players whine, but T>P on Arkanoid. That's a fact. You're sounding like tfeign when you bring up stats data like that.
The fact is, there is not a single map that ever favours T > P. MAYBE Legacy of Char was one such map. MAYBE.
Also, when P play T on a map that comes close to being balanced they miss their usual imba "feel" and start crying.
Toss is a race for the girls I guess that explains why P players are so gay for Reach
-Mynock
Do you expect to be taken seriously when you write something like that ?
On May 01 2007 01:12 Guybrush wrote: And Mynock, I too hate when Protoss players whine, but T>P on Arkanoid. That's a fact. You're sounding like tfeign when you bring up stats data like that.
The fact is, there is not a single map that ever favours T > P. MAYBE Legacy of Char was one such map. MAYBE.
Also, when P play T on a map that comes close to being balanced they miss their usual imba "feel" and start crying.
Toss is a race for the girls I guess that explains why P players are so gay for Reach
-Mynock
Do you expect to be taken seriously when you write something like that ?
No... and yes.
Buf for a starter, can you tell me why "T > P on Arkanoid" is a "fact"? All I have is raw data, and data is "fact" as far as I'm concerned.
Oh, and I also hear a lot how T is so >> P on HitchHiker (25-13 - 65.8% in favour of P in last PSL) and Longinus is close by as well, with 17-9 in PvT, that is 65.4% P win :/
Altho of course I wouldn't base much on such small sample sizes, this should be conducted with stats from 100+ games, not just 30-40...
On May 01 2007 01:12 Guybrush wrote: And Mynock, I too hate when Protoss players whine, but T>P on Arkanoid. That's a fact. You're sounding like tfeign when you bring up stats data like that.
The fact is, there is not a single map that ever favours T > P. MAYBE Legacy of Char was one such map. MAYBE. -Mynock
10 is really hard to put up... I dunno, i'd put Sea, midas and up T_T but maybe cause i like terran ;p ... boxer too but hes got a point. He needs to face better players to see were he's really at.
Casy will suck until OSL season. But it's ok, once OSL season comes, he'll rape everyone.
And I didn't mean to sound as terse as I did btw, I love you etterbomb~ But I'd like to hear an explanation on Midas. The only thing terrible about Midas are his amazing Ceremonies.
I agree with most except for the fact that just because midas choked doesnt reflect on how fucking much of beast he still is and can beat 2/3 of these people on this list. Also how you could possibly even believe for a fucking second that someone has a better pvz than bisu's. No one on this planet has better pvz than bisu. I also believe ra has better pvz than free's truly.
ThegreatOne doesnt really fit .. ; ) u dont have much of a clue if u call anyones PvZ better than free\'s, because frees pvz simply is .. amazing..
So seriously.. frees pvz is awesome, bisus pvz is awesome, Nal_rAs PvZ isnt shabb either.. But i would never say bisus or ras PvZ >> Free\'S ..
I like midas not being on the list but would accept it if he came back on it if he keeps on doing BUT stops his ceremonies.. and gets cool.. and special..
Midas' horrible ceremonies just suck all the power out of him.
I don't want to see him win just so I don't have to watch him tripping over himself trying to pull some faggotass move that he can't even do properly. It's embarrassing.
On May 01 2007 07:46 ZergRush wrote: he won all his 4 games in pro league.. so he didnt get to move up in osl.. big deal he was in group with bisu so what? he beat so many players in this 10 list way more than they beat him.. and he is way way way better than much and iris they arent even in the same scale..
Use the word way more, and maybe he will believe you. Way.
On May 02 2007 05:03 MaGic~PhiL wrote: ThegreatOne doesnt really fit .. ; ) u dont have much of a clue if u call anyones PvZ better than free\'s, because frees pvz simply is .. amazing..
So seriously.. frees pvz is awesome, bisus pvz is awesome, Nal_rAs PvZ isnt shabb either.. But i would never say bisus or ras PvZ >> Free\'S ..
I like midas not being on the list but would accept it if he came back on it if he keeps on doing BUT stops his ceremonies.. and gets cool.. and special..
ok im simply based towards midas.. D;
I respect your opinion but no one has better pvz than bisu. That would be like not saying savior has the best zvt.. I think midas should of at least got the 10th spot and I would of been fine.
i know i ve heard all of u say "its djettersyle s opinion blah blah blah" well i dont give a fuck.. if i can write a comment ill say whatever i want and i think how can all those mothafuckas be on the PR and u say Midas is terrible T_T
dude... can u believe boxer was gone without practicing etc and he comes back and makes it to the MSL :O:O:O holly shit i dont care if he played noobie players.. they are still progamers and they got the sKiLLs to be on TV so :S ...
On May 01 2007 07:43 ZergRush wrote: i'm new in this site and all but comon.. midas is so top10 and thats a solid fact.. and the guy who made this list obviously has a problem with midas from his comment.. very biased.
Do you have any proof to back up your statements? Didn't think so. Actually, I don't think ANYONE has proof to back up Midas being possibly top10. Recently he's been playing at a lower caliber. That, is a solid fact.
EDIT: Oh shit. My bad. I guess I didn't see ALL Midas' matches. Yeah Etter. wtf is up with Midas in the no cigar spot?
Midas didnt do anything big at all .. he just hangs around plays standard games all the time has no style, doesnt impress .. loses some wins some.. has nothing special.. except.. having nothing special at all and just fucking up every emotion he prepeared for T__T
seriously.. im just happy not to see midas in the power ranking..
I'm choosing now to respond to all the pro-Midas comments, because it's easy to make your argument after you've been proven right. The reason I dropped Midas from the Power Rank was because of his ODT performance; he looked bad, and there is literally no excuse for losing a TvP on Arkanoid.
Then there's the talk of how good his record is lately. His wins have been against TheZerg[Hyo], TheManiaMST, Xellos, Boxer, and Nal_Keke. You could pose the argument that beating Boxer is impressive, but those other four players are either no-names or, in Xellos' case, not even a shadow of the players they used to be. Midas' only win against a top player was Bisu, and I can't imagine anyone arguing that his three-rax biomech SCV-cut rush was a high percentage strategy. Lately, including that game, Midas has just looked unconfident, a sure sign that he's slipping.
Watching the MSL games from last night just confirms what I was thinking. Even after Midas had the biggest TvP advantage that one could possibly ask for--and against Free, no less--he still managed to screw up his push timing and positioning enough to lose an entire army. Then he grabbed a hidden expansion and maintained his massive advantage, but the Midas of old would have laughed his balls off, done a perfect timing push, and made Free look as screwed as he was.
I'll admit that Midas's TvP, what used to be his ace matchup, isn't what it used to be.
But the exact same thing can be said for Iris and his TvT. What's more, the same Keke that Midas tore apart in a one-sided rape actually beat Iris in MSL Survivor. So why are you so willing to give Iris the benefit of the doubt and keep him on the PR while completely shunning Midas with a "You are terrible?"
On May 05 2007 18:17 mikeymoo wrote: Well done, Etter. Wanna pick my lottery ticket numbers for next week?
I'd love to (36-24-36--ha ha!), but things are a little more complicated than that. I'd be happy to, for instance, analyze and give my professional opinion on the strides of the various horses at your local track. Based upon that information, picking a winner shouldn't be too difficult. ^^
Added: If the series of responses that I've given as of late doesn't make much sense, it's Cinco de Mayo; I'm drunk. But it's all, like, 100% valid.
On May 05 2007 18:17 mikeymoo wrote: Well done, Etter. Wanna pick my lottery ticket numbers for next week?
I'd love to (36-24-36--ha ha!), but things are a little more complicated than that. I'd be happy to, for instance, analyze and give my professional opinion on the strides of the various horses at your local track. Based upon that information, picking a winner shouldn't be too difficult. ^^
Added: If the series of responses that I've given as of late doesn't make much sense, it's Cinco de Mayo; I'm drunk. But it's all, like, 100% valid.
Why? Light is doing fine. Stork may move down a bit, but his only real loss so far is vs GGplay on a bad proxy game. Reach doesn't need to be top 10. Get out of here, he's beaten Sea and Iris and 2v2's. -_-;; GJ, but Reach has A LOT to atone for and show.
Iris dropping off might be correct though... and Bisu should go down a bit. #1 is either Savior or Nada imo. but the month is so far from over, why already speculate 3 weeks ahead?
And I think Hwasin might deserve a lil more credit... his TVT and TvZ are strong.
bisu hasn't won a single proleague game, has he? I know he has at least four losses.
If he keeps this up, I doubt he'll maintain number one on proleague ranking.
NaDa has consistently won for his team in ProLeague: however, Pantech never puts him for ace - that explains their abysmal record. That's somewhat unfortunate; they lose 2-3 a lot.
sAviOr... he won vs oov, and is pretty decent in ProLeague. He still hasn't shown his old dominating form though.
rA lost two games in last KTF match T_T but he's still KTF's best player at the moment.
The majority of May still remains though. Too early to really call things out.
Boxer -- You made an MSL after joining the Air Force. And although saying that sentence aloud gives me a boner, I need to see you beat more than three no-name Zerg players before I put you into the PR.
Does sAviOr count? how about Bisu? not exactly what we call no-names :-) BoxeR is showing nice games... would be nice to see him in PR, but I agree that it can only be based on what he shows @ MSL, I hope he'll play the role of Death in that damn death group :-)
It's too early in the month to tell what the next ranking should be like. Especially since we didn't see a lot from osl and msl so far. But i agree with SJM conclusions so far.
I'm getting pretty sick of this terran domination. There is only 1 zerg on the PR and only 2 in the close but no cigar section! This is getting ridiculous. Either Starcraft is definitely imbalanced or Terran is definitely the easiest race to be a pro with.
What other explanations could there be? Obviously one of the reasons there are more terrans in the leagues and on the powerrank is because there are more terran players in general but this is pretty much the same question with the same answers. Why are there so many more pro terran players from the outset of the preliminaries of the individual leagues?
Protoss players are lately being better represented in powerrank and leagues but still nowhere as much as Terran. I guess the other explanation is map imbalance. But if the only real reason is map imbalance then maybe it's extremely hard to make a map that isn't terran favored in which case this is pretty much the same thing as saying the Terran race is imbalanced or at least is the easiest to get good with.
Zerg gets a raw deal in terms of maps. There are actually more Zergs than Terrans with pro licenses, as far as I know - not sure. Whatever it is, the difference between Zerg and Terran numbers is not great.
The maps are really TvZ favoring. Zerg has ONE win on Geometry against Terran, compared to 2-digit losses.
Even if there are more Zergs than Terrans with pro licenses, there are A LOT more terrans than either of the other two races that make it to simply the preliminaries let alone the actual leagues. There seems to be more Terrans playing in Proleague matches as well but the ratio in Proleague doesn't seem that bad at least. I'd be curious as to what the win-loss record for each of the 3 races is in Proleague matches (excluding mirror matchups). But then include mirror matchups when finding out the total amount of games played for each race.
Total amount of times each race has been played in 1v1 matches in the current Proleague using TheTyranid's stats:
106 Terran 82 Zerg 78 Protoss
There's definitely a noticable Terran favoring.
And when you look at the winning percentages of each race:
63% Terran 44% Zerg 42% Protoss
The funny thing is the winning percentages closely mirror the total games played for each race. Zerg wins slightly more than Protoss and plays slightly more games while Terran wins significantly more than Protoss and Zerg and plays significantly more games too.
133 total games means there's a 60% chance a terran will be playing while there's a 50% chance of Zerg and 47% for Protoss. 1. 22% T-Z 29 games 2. 20% T-T 26 games 3. 19% T-P 25 games 4. 17% P-Z 23 games 5. 11% P-P 15 games 5. 11% Z-Z 15 games
There's only a 42% chance you'll see a mirror matchup, which means for you mirror haters you are actually getting less than you should statistically so you can be glad about that. Althought TvT makes up about half of the mirrors.
With the way players are currently playing, I wouldn't be surprised to see next month. Casy at #1. Midas at #2 or so... Yellow at #5. And Chojja at #1.
But honestly, I think Ra deserves more Love. Why is KTF doing so well in PL? It isn't Reach, It isn't Hery. It sure as hell isn't any of their Zergs... Who does that leave? Either Garimtoss and Ra... and I think I give the benefit of the doubt as to KTF's success to Ra.
Nal_Ra IS KTF.
Also, GGPlay is looking like the monster we remember. I am hoping for the best from GGPlay. He will show me what Jaedong hasn't and couldn't.
and Ofc, I guess he won't make the powerrank or anything, but give a no-cigar to OGN's Ace Protoss -_-;;
On May 20 2007 10:03 SuperJongMan wrote: With the way players are currently playing, I wouldn't be surprised to see next month. Casy at #1. Midas at #2 or so... Yellow at #5. And Chojja at #1.
But honestly, I think Ra deserves more Love. Why is KTF doing so well in PL? It isn't Reach, It isn't Hery. It sure as hell isn't any of their Zergs... Who does that leave? Either Garimtoss and Ra... and I think I give the benefit of the doubt as to KTF's success to Ra.
Nal_Ra IS KTF.
Also, GGPlay is looking like the monster we remember. I am hoping for the best from GGPlay. He will show me what Jaedong hasn't and couldn't.
and Ofc, I guess he won't make the powerrank or anything, but give a no-cigar to OGN's Ace Protoss -_-;;
Actually, Hery has actually been doing pretty well for KTF in PL. 5-2 (including his latest win over Nada) aint bad.
On May 21 2007 00:02 VioleTAK wrote: And just like that, Bisu again beats both sAviOr and NaDa, this time in WWI :-)
XD XD
But some people will think: "Oh my god~~ WWI doesn't count, since it isn't important. Oh my gosh~~~ Nada or Savior didn't try, they had more important stuff~~ Oh my god~~~ What am I saying? I'm gay~"
But I hate bisu. I think the way the games are going right now, the rankings will stay similiar. EXCEPT Julyzerg should be #1 because I said so, and if you think you're wrong, he'll eat you.
On May 21 2007 00:02 VioleTAK wrote: And just like that, Bisu again beats both sAviOr and NaDa, this time in WWI :-)
XD XD
But some people will think: "Oh my god~~ WWI doesn't count, since it isn't important. Oh my gosh~~~ Nada or Savior didn't try, they had more important stuff~~ Oh my god~~~ What am I saying? I'm gay~"
But I hate bisu. I think the way the games are going right now, the rankings will stay similiar. EXCEPT Julyzerg should be #1 because I said so, and if you think you're wrong, he'll eat you.
And this people have full rights to think so, when even Bisu said: "I'm disappointed it was an event victory instead of an official event. It is important to be at top shape in official events."
Well, it'd be a double standard to have Bisu's WWI win count for a lot, while NaDa's Shinhan Master's event didn't. I think (and hope) DJEtter continues to value special events like Superfight/WWI/Blizzcon at lower levels than ProLeague/StarLeague/MSL.
On May 21 2007 01:11 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote: I think the way the games are going right now, the rankings will stay similiar. EXCEPT Julyzerg should be #1 because I said so, and if you think you're wrong, he'll eat you.
On May 21 2007 11:31 LastRomantic wrote: Well, it'd be a double standard to have Bisu's WWI win count for a lot, while NaDa's Shinhan Master's event didn't. I think (and hope) DJEtter continues to value special events like Superfight/WWI/Blizzcon at lower levels than ProLeague/StarLeague/MSL.
I don't think it means much either. But Bisu's record against both of them is becoming ridiculous, sAviOr-Oov style :-)
On May 20 2007 10:03 SuperJongMan wrote: With the way players are currently playing, I wouldn't be surprised to see next month. Casy at #1. Midas at #2 or so... Yellow at #5. And Chojja at #1.
But honestly, I think Ra deserves more Love. Why is KTF doing so well in PL? It isn't Reach, It isn't Hery. It sure as hell isn't any of their Zergs... Who does that leave? Either Garimtoss and Ra... and I think I give the benefit of the doubt as to KTF's success to Ra.
Nal_Ra IS KTF.
Also, GGPlay is looking like the monster we remember. I am hoping for the best from GGPlay. He will show me what Jaedong hasn't and couldn't.
and Ofc, I guess he won't make the powerrank or anything, but give a no-cigar to OGN's Ace Protoss -_-;;
I would be surprised as hell if Midas even comes back into the top 10. This guy just sucks.
On May 25 2007 15:14 Carnac wrote: advanced from his MSL group with 2-0
Yeah but it was just over much and sea, who we all know are a couple of chumps that probably didn't even practice very much for the games, so it hardly counts.
People do bandwagon way too much it's retarded and bandwagon the other way like saying Savior is slumping but Stork has continued to impress so even if he can't keep this up he's had a great run.
On May 25 2007 15:14 Carnac wrote: advanced from his MSL group with 2-0
Yeah but it was just over much and sea, who we all know are a couple of chumps that probably didn't even practice very much for the games, so it hardly counts.
Stfu.... Does Savior now get two spots? Because he plays zerg and terran? If so that would be soooo coool. Being #1 for zerg and #2 for terran. XD
On May 25 2007 15:14 Carnac wrote: advanced from his MSL group with 2-0
Yeah but it was just over much and sea, who we all know are a couple of chumps that probably didn't even practice very much for the games, so it hardly counts.
Stfu.... Does Savior now get two spots? Because he plays zerg and terran? If so that would be soooo coool. Being #1 for zerg and #2 for terran. XD
I'm curious as to how Etter will value Savior's perf against GoRush. I wasn't sure how much of a joke the whole thing would be, and he quite pulled it off, which should add power points on the sheer ground of ballsiness.
I think it's something very Savior-ish to excel at reverse matchup. Not sure how Bisu would fare ZvP :-x
Imho its bad mannered and arrogant. Not in a cool way but in a non respectful way. Gorush must have had the pressure of his life, because he knew : if he lost to someones off race he could bury himself as well ; D
On May 26 2007 18:02 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Imho its bad mannered and arrogant. Not in a cool way but in a non respectful way. Gorush must have had the pressure of his life, because he knew : if he lost to someones off race he could bury himself as well ; D
You can't prove an argument about Savior from GoRush's point of view. Why do you think it was bad mannered and arrogant? GoRush mocked Savior who responded by actually making the proposal of choosing his off-race true.
On May 27 2007 02:50 ilbh wrote: lol stork the best protoss... rapped by much and ggplay he is good but not that much better than bisu is a joke ffs
"raped by much and ggplay"? he lost in PL to much yes, but he also beat him in msl :p and vs ggplay was more of a fucked up unlucky build or whatever you may call it
On May 26 2007 18:02 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Imho its bad mannered and arrogant. Not in a cool way but in a non respectful way. Gorush must have had the pressure of his life, because he knew : if he lost to someones off race he could bury himself as well ; D
Yeah my point exactly, you can see it both ways. To go off-race means you lose potential, and Savior would've reached Midas-esque ridicule hadn't he advanced in the end. On the other hand, he knew that he would have to pull a 2-0 in the event that he'd lose his TvZ, thus pushing himself out of his comfort zone as well, which I find very respectable and ballsy.
On May 26 2007 18:02 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Imho its bad mannered and arrogant. Not in a cool way but in a non respectful way. Gorush must have had the pressure of his life, because he knew : if he lost to someones off race he could bury himself as well ; D
I'm pretty sure Savior and Gorush are friends though so I don't think it was a big deal and was probably mostly fun. If Gorush had lost he might feel a little bad or embarrassed or whatever but I doubt he would feel or did feel disrespected.
On May 27 2007 02:50 ilbh wrote: lol stork the best protoss... rapped by much and ggplay he is good but not that much better than bisu is a joke ffs
What you said would have merit if Stork didn't beat Bisu.... but of course, he did. Much also "rapped" Bisu. Stork has been playing wonderfully beating big names left and right while Bisu has just been losing left and right.
On May 27 2007 02:50 ilbh wrote: lol stork the best protoss... rapped by much and ggplay he is good but not that much better than bisu is a joke ffs
What you said would have merit if Stork didn't beat Bisu.... but of course, he did. Much also "rapped" Bisu. Stork has been playing wonderfully beating big names left and right while Bisu has just been losing left and right.
By left and right, I hope you mean in Proleague only.
On May 26 2007 18:02 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Imho its bad mannered and arrogant. Not in a cool way but in a non respectful way. Gorush must have had the pressure of his life, because he knew : if he lost to someones off race he could bury himself as well ; D
I'm pretty sure Savior and Gorush are friends though so I don't think it was a big deal and was probably mostly fun. If Gorush had lost he might feel a little bad or embarrassed or whatever but I doubt he would feel or did feel disrespected.
I think it is still somewhat awkward though. GoRush contributed greatly to what sAviOr is today - don't you think their playstyles are extremely similar? They were teammates, and GoRush practically raised sAviOr.
Then, sAviOr goes and offraces against his one time mentor because he's the shit these days. Iono, I'd be so pissed if I was GoRush - especially because in Asian culture, respect towards teachers and elders is SO important.
I am quite happy GoRush beat him with ridiculous humiliation strategy.
He's doing well in individual leagues, but no better than July or rA or Stork or any of those beasts.
To top that, he sports one of the worst ProLeague records around - worse than Hery, worse than MuMyung [ok so MuMyung has a very good record] - almost as bad as Clon's.
Id say being undefeated in both major leagues overides having a losing record in proleague. You could still match bisu up with all the top players and hed probably win.
Yes the whole point is Bisu keeps on winning against Savior and Nada - see WWI - and is only slumping in Proleague, so he should probably be first. I'd go something like
OSL: Savior 2-0 over iloveoov and By.Flash Bisu 2-0 over Nada and Darkelf
MSL: Savior advanced 2-1 losing to Gorush in the game Savior played Terran Bisu advanced 2-1 losing to Oversky
Savior was more concerned about playing Gorush again in the 5th game in the MSL ro32 than actually advancing. He's pimp and deserves #1.
On May 29 2007 06:48 MyLovelyLurker wrote: Yes the whole point is Bisu keeps on winning against Savior and Nada - see WWI -
Beating Nada 2-0 at the WWI isn't any more impressive or even less so than Savior beating Nal_rA 2-0 at the WWI. I'd say Nal_rA is in better form than Nada right now, he's 8-3 in PL compared to Nada's 7-6. Then Bisu beat Savior 2-1. Fine. But that's just one little tournament that means absolutely nothing so if you look at the other stats Savior definitely deserves it. We'll see if Bisu can keep beating Savior in games that matter, the MSL and OSL, but until then Savior gets the #1 spot.
Hmm, a bit tough to place top 3-4 now, with the current records of Stork, Bisu, Savior. Same goes for NaDa, if he loses the next OSL game he's pretty much out, no individual league... imo Bisu and sAviOr still deserve top2 one way or the other, above Stork, just for this PR to see what'll happen next, all three indeed are in both leagues and doing well, but sAviOr and Bisu hold the titles after all :-) Until Stork defeats one of them in a Starleague he shouldn't go above them in PR. When one of those three will fall out of a Starleague things can change, that'll happen soon enough since Strok vs sAviOr @ MSL Ro16, Bo3, will say alot, but thats not for the upcoming PR :-) Lets see if DJ can predict it correctly :-P
A bo3 never really says that much but since it's all we can base skill on those will definitely be important games for our Power Rank. I can't wait for them!
Stork should be above Savior and Bisu, although it's close. All three are in the two major leagues and doing well, but Stork's also been tearing through Proleague at the same time, something which rarely happens. He has an amazing 9-2 in Proleague (I think only Sea comes close with 8-3), compared to Savior's 3-4 and Bisu's 1-5. Granted, Savior's four losses were two ZvZ's, one to a cannon rush, and one from HIM, so I can understand putting Savior above Stork (since Savior's undefeated in OSL and MSL aside from playing off-race vs Gorush).
Yet Stork is undefeated in the major leagues as well, other than his failed proxy robo vs GGPlay, which should be discounted if we were so willing to overlook Savior's loss to Ra's cannon rush. Furthermore, if we're willing to overlook Savior's ZvZ losses, then the same should be done for Stork's loss against Much in Proleague (since PvP and ZvZ both have a lot of luck) - especially since he beat Much in the MSL just a few days after. That leaves Stork with one loss I can't explain, which was against Sea.Leta. Maybe that one loss is enough to keep him from #1 on the Power Rank, I dunno.
As for Bisu, I think his 1-5 in Proleague speaks for itself.
there is no such thing as an accuracy gradient for power rank - it's the subjective opinion of djetterstyle. maybe if he were to post a power rank drunk, or high or not himself for whatever reason, then we could debate the accuracy relative to what a sound djetterstyle would have chosen, but then again, how are we to know? maybe he's drunk all the time!
On May 30 2007 13:24 GrandInquisitor wrote: I would suggest delaying PR until AFTER Friday's games, when we'll see how oov, Light, Hwasin, NaDa, Reach, Bifrost, GGPlay, Casy do.
In that case you'll probably get it Sunday during Etter's hangover.
On May 30 2007 15:25 CTStalker wrote: there is no such thing as an accuracy gradient for power rank - it's the subjective opinion of djetterstyle. maybe if he were to post a power rank drunk, or high or not himself for whatever reason, then we could debate the accuracy relative to what a sound djetterstyle would have chosen, but then again, how are we to know? maybe he's drunk all the time!
More information means we'll be more likely to have a Power Rank that the most people agree on.
That's all he meant, but you probably already knew that.
please just dont forgett that bisu worst match up is pvp ( if im not wrong ) and that any mirror match played between progamers is tough and unpredictable
stork lost against ggplay cause of a "discoreved cheese"
stork is fine, very good, but he need to beat big names like savior, etc.
just wait before saying that stork is top 5, please.
gorush was the guy who asked savior if he has greed when savior wasnt pro... the guy who brings savior to the progamming scene
If you aren't still in at least the MSL or OSL you aren't on my list. That means you Nada. Making both leagues gives you more weight and having a good proleague record helps too. Light is already out of the OSL and will most likely be knocked out of the MSL in the ro16 by Bisu as he is already down 0-1 in the bo3. However, he did make both leagues and unlike Nada he actually advanced at least one round in one of them so he gets to stay at 8th this month. But if and when Bisu knocks him out of the MSL he'll be off my Power Rank just like Nada is this month.
FBH did just lose the first game between him and Oov in the MSL ro16 bo3 but FBH has looked really good lately and I don't think anyone deserves spot 9 more than him. Number 10 is really hard but there's not really anyone that obvious to put there. Nada doesn't get it because like I said before he's already out of both leagues. Reach could get it but he's 2-0 in OSL beating Iris and Bifrost while GGPlay is 2-0 beating Stork and Casy. Reach is 0-5 in proleague while GGPlay is 3-6. Both have looked good very impressive recently but I'm giving it to GGPlay. I can't really see anyone that deserves #10 more. Maybe Iris could stay at #10 but he's only 1-1 in OSL losing to Reach and beating Shark and he's only 3-4 in Proleague.
I'll make changes to the list after tonight's games if needed but most likely my list will stay the same no matter what happens.
If July beats rA in good fashion then maybe July could take the 10th spot over GGPlay, but GGPlay's last game was spectacular and the OSL is more prestigious than the MSL. Also July just hasn't shown many games lately at all since he's only 1-0 in Proleague. If Stork beats sAviOr I'd probably still keep the top 3 the same. One game doesn't mean much really and I need to see Stork beat sAviOr in the bo3 before I would put him ahead of sAviOr on the Power Rank. Also Stork beat Bisu in Proleague on May 21st and I'm still keeping Bisu ahead of Stork as well. So if sAviOr wins that cements him first and even if he loses I'd keep the top 3 the same anyway. I don't think Stork deserves number 1 yet.
sup sAviOr. He's dropped a ZvZ or three, and also lost offracing - but whatever. He's still strongest around [to my great chagrin]
Stork eats ProLeague; he's rank 1. OSL he is doing very nicely; his loss was unlucky, not lack of skill.
Hwasin is beating everyone in all three matchups. I was especially impressed with his facesmash of Anytime. His win against NaDa was also very nice.
oov is eating his bananas every day, it looks like. He's performing well for SKT T1, and losing only to sAviOr in OSL. And the quality of his wins are very solid.
rA is KTF's ace. Solely responsible for keeping KTF's 1v1 record respectable. He also passed MSL, losing only to BoxeR's nuclear.
Dropped Bisu because of ProLeague record [1-5 or 1-6 or whatever? yeah.] Doing well in OSL, well in MSL. That win against Light though.. it was because of that zealot bomb. Which was unstoppable due to no turret T_T blame whoever you will, I'm not going to factor it in.
Sea MBC ace. Passed MSL round, did well in PL to a point. However, after July's departure, he hasn't been doing as well, which is why I rank him lower.
FBH for abovementioned reasons.
Reach is bad in 1v1 proleague, but insane in 2v2 proleague. That makes him like 50% in PL overall -_-;; But he is wrecking things in OSL, and he makes PvT look so EASY.
GGPlay and Reach are doing quite similarly in OSL. The quality of Reach's wins are slightly better though - GGPlay against Stork was something of a lucky break. That being said, he is still quite a strong player. There's a lot of possibilities for the low numbers though.
On May 30 2007 13:24 GrandInquisitor wrote: I would suggest delaying PR until AFTER Friday's games, when we'll see how oov, Light, Hwasin, NaDa, Reach, Bifrost, GGPlay, Casy do.
In that case you'll probably get it Sunday during Etter's hangover.
EPT
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