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GoBOXERgogo
664 Posts
On March 05 2007 13:03 omgbnetsux wrote: No idea. I'm amazed I care enough to hate on something as silly as this but hey, boredom will do crazier things to you. Btw Iris ahead of Nada lol..Yeah, well mine took one minute to post. Who are you exactly? Why shouldn't you be banned? You know its coming... | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
First of all, I do not agree with everything on the list. Even though I've ragged on Nada a lot lately, I believe he should be above Midas, and I would probably have placed Casy higher. What's ridiculous is that some of you are actually arrogant enough to say the list is bad. Etter is well known as one of the most knowledgeable people about progaming on TL, he was given the power rank because the gods of TL think he's the most qualified for the job. Do you nobodies honestly think you're remotely qualifed to call the list bad? On a pro level, Starcraft is a highly complex game, yet all of you seem to think you know much better than anyone else. Criticize the list, please, it's definitely not infallible, but don't ridicule yourself by calling it bad. | ||
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GoBOXERgogo
664 Posts
On March 05 2007 13:27 Orome wrote: lol, sure. How exactly do you know if he's the most qualified? Cause he watches all the games? Yeah well so do fucking I, and you don't see me being handed anything, nor do I think I deserve it. I mean does anyone actually respect or give a flying fuck what this guy thinks? I mean really? I don't remember him having any actual connections to progaming or inside details but hey, enlighten me if he doesThis is starting to piss me off. First of all, I do not agree with everything on the list. Even though I've ragged on Nada a lot lately, I believe he should be above Midas, and I would probably have placed Casy higher. What's ridiculous is that some of you are actually arrogant enough to say the list is bad. Etter is well known as one of the most knowledgeable people about progaming on TL, he was given the power rank because the gods of TL think he's the most qualified for the job. Do you nobodies honestly think you're remotely qualifed to call the list bad? On a pro level, Starcraft is a highly complex game, yet all of you seem to think you know much better than anyone else. Criticize the list, please, it's definitely not infallible, but don't ridicule yourself by calling it bad. | ||
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Myxomatosis
United States2392 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
On March 05 2007 13:30 GoBOXERgogo wrote: lol, sure. How exactly do you know if he's the most qualified? Cause he watches all the games? Yeah well so do fucking I, and you don't see me being handed anything, nor do I think I deserve it. I mean does anyone actually respect or give a flying fuck what this guy thinks? I mean really? I don't remember him having any actual connections to progaming or inside details but hey, enlighten me if he does Etter is probably a better player than you. Probably has a deeper understanding of the game than you. He ... just knows the game better. You watch the games and form retarded opinions. Etter watches games and forms reasonable yet debatable opinions. Put up your own list and write justifications if you got your panties in a wet bunch. I fuckin hate shits like you. Flat out, I can't stand so much of the idiocy in TL anymore. | ||
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GoBOXERgogo
664 Posts
On March 05 2007 15:02 SuperJongMan wrote: lol, all you morons are alike. You put yourself on this high mark where only you and your little faggot friends knowing anything about BW. Sure, you have no reason to respect me or anything I say. Nor does anyone here have any reason to respect what this fag says. The way he goes about presenting his facts it's clear he's very biased towards players (I mean wtf..look at what he says about rA) He's basically a borderline dickhead. Which hey, I know I am right? but the thing is I don't have this power ranking thing, so it doesn't matter. So go ahead and generalize me as some random guy who knows nothing, I don't care. But explain why anyone should want to hear that this guy thinks.Etter is probably a better player than you. Probably has a deeper understanding of the game than you. He ... just knows the game better. You watch the games and form retarded opinions. Etter watches games and forms reasonable yet debatable opinions. Put up your own list and write justifications if you got your panties in a wet bunch. I fuckin hate shits like you. Flat out, I can't stand so much of the idiocy in TL anymore. | ||
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RawkusTk
Korea (South)28 Posts
On March 05 2007 15:09 GoBOXERgogo wrote: lol, all you morons are alike. You put yourself on this high mark where only you and your little faggot friends knowing anything about BW. Sure, you have no reason to respect me or anything I say. Nor does anyone here have any reason to respect what this fag says. The way he goes about presenting his facts it's clear he's very biased towards players (I mean wtf..look at what he says about rA) He's basically a borderline dickhead. Which hey, I know I am right? but the thing is I don't have this power ranking thing, so it doesn't matter. So go ahead and generalize me as some random guy who knows nothing, I don't care. But explain why anyone should want to hear that this guy thinks. i agree with this guy. This list is biased. it supposed to be a POWER RANK, not the lists of who's your favorite player. Basically he rated 3-5 as who can had good game against SAVIOR (he even admits in rating Midas). Midas didn't have anything to show off this year while Nada had 2nd place in OSL this year. How is Midas above Nada??? Idk. it seemes like many ppl in this forum doesn't like NADA. Well, u know what? his results proves it that he is one of the best of all time. doesn't matter what you guys say. | ||
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
On March 05 2007 15:34 RawkusTk wrote: i agree with this guy. This list is biased. it supposed to be a POWER RANK, not the lists of who's your favorite player. Basically he rated 3-5 as who can had good game against SAVIOR (he even admits in rating Midas). Midas didn't have anything to show off this year while Nada had 2nd place in OSL this year. How is Midas above Nada??? Idk. it seemes like many ppl in this forum doesn't like NADA. Well, u know what? his results proves it that he is one of the best of all time. doesn't matter what you guys say. Best of all time? Sure. Better than Midas now? Debatable. That's whats going on right now - Debate. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27093 Posts
FIRST - Etter knows more about progaming than almost anyone. I didnt choose someone at random, I chose someone I think is qualified, and I think I am as good a judge as anyone. TWO - If you look at the first power rank and this power rank, you can see that the style of the feature is evolving. Nothing is perfect the first time. THREE - This is NOT a list of favorite players. It is a list of the most powerful players. Yes, their results have a bearing, but so does their style of play, presense, and all other intangibles. If you want a numbers based ranking, go see kespa. FOUR - It is not a crime to disagree with the list. It is encouraged. But when you do so you need to back up and argue with evidence. Simply saying this list is crap is not good enough. Saying it is a list of favorite players is not good enough. IT ISNT. If you dont agree, debate. You flame, you get banned. Ill never post this again, so you better fucking read it. | ||
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One Page Memory
Bulgaria2145 Posts
"DJEtterStyles skype ringing. "Oh, my lord, not again ..." Answers. Actually its NaDa. - Etter, please, could you ... - Not now, Im watching Saviors game. 30 minutes later - Etter, please, just tell me what I must do to place better in PR? - What? 5th place isnt good enough for you? Well, you just arent playing very well - at all. Precise: stop trudging, you must play way better and creatively even again terrans, do not play with some cream puff opponents, but better ones in their superior match-up and own them with ease and finesse, do not face more terrans, dont play terran favorable maps. That must be enough for start. - But Etter I do not choose opponents and maps... - Its not my problem. Oh and play very carefully at Shinhan Masters, if you lose just one bad game you know where your ranking is going. And watch some Savior game, it might help you" | ||
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DJEtterStyle
United States2766 Posts
On March 04 2007 03:31 BluzMan wrote: As for the actual standings, I'd remove Light and get Yarnc into the list. Otherwise, it's really good. If I'd been able to see his games against Chojja before the ranking, I would have put him at #10--and believe me, I wanted to anyway--but Yarnc has always been such a one-hit wonder (ZvT) that I didn't want to overreact too much. It looks like he's tightened up his game a lot, though, so I'm looking forward to seeing more of him in the Masters Tournament, assuming he makes it through the line of powerful players standing in his way. On March 04 2007 07:03 himurakenshin wrote: It was ok except for all this map comparison, saying how zerg "couldn't" post good results because of imbalanced ZvT maps etc etc. Please enough with all these map imbalanaces Check out KeSPA for March, and be sure to look at the little arrows that indicate whether a player has gone up or down in the past month. Only one Zerg went up, and that was Zergman. Savior held steady at #1, and all other Zergs dropped at least two slots. Seven Terrans went up in the KeSPA rankings. I don't know how much clearer I can make this: the current set of maps across both Starleagues is god awful for ZvT. On March 05 2007 06:09 MaGic~PhiL wrote: i hate it if you talk about easy bracket IN PRO GAMING especially OSL and MSL there are NO easy opponents. Maybe easier opponents, but thats just by a little.. That's where you're way off. There might not be a huge disparity in overall skill between Starleague-caliber players, but there's a huge disparity between skill across the various matchups. Casy is an absolute pushover TvP, Zergman can't do late-game ZvT management to save his life, and Light folds in most TvTs. And these are players who are arguably some of the best in the world in other matchups. Consider a mini-bracket which has two games: Casy vs. Zergman and Reach vs. July. All four are Starleague-caliber players. Now, let's look at the probable results: Casy > Zergman and July > Reach, as Zergman is spotty ZvT and Reach is relatively weak PvZ. Then we have Casy vs. July in the "finals," with the result being dependant upon current form, maps, play, etc. But what if those matches were changed around so that they were Reach vs. Casy and July vs. Zergman? Suddenly, in the same pool of only four players, we have a final between Reach and Zergman, given that--probably--Zergman > July and Reach > Casy. This would be considered an incredibly easy bracket for Reach, given that Zergman and Casy are both weak vP, but before, it was a very hard one, as Reach had to face one of the premier ZvP players in the world. Consider that, in the first instance, Reach might have been eliminated 0-2, whereas in the second instance, it's perfectly possible that he could go 5-0 to win the whole tournament. Don't underestimate just how important getting favorable opponents/matchups is! On March 05 2007 13:11 Wasabi wrote: I can see why some people are going apeshit about this list. One, because the way it is written is derogatory, instead of constructive. Two, it is biased, though this one list doesn't have that much bias really, just opinionated (as it should be, otherwise KeSPA's top progamers list is superior in every way). Three, there is basis on what is being written here, true, but the way other people interpret that information is different. I'd argue that the PR is a much better way of interpreting the top players at the moment than KeSPA. People might disagree with the order of a particular list that I post--and maybe they'd shuffle in/out a couple players at #9 and #10--but on the whole, most people seem to agree that the players belong somewhere in the top 10. Can we say that about the KeSPA ranking? Look at the most-recent one: do Jju, GF, and Anytime belong anywhere even near the top 10 for recent results? Of course not. (GF might belong in the top 15, though.) No ranking system is perfect, and the PR and KeSPA both serve their purposes. On March 04 2007 03:50 NadaFan1 wrote: wah midas sux. On March 04 2007 03:51 NadaFan2 wrote: but how ??. On March 04 2007 03:52 NadaFan3 wrote: omgwtf On March 04 2007 03:53 NadaFan4 wrote: lol ur bias nada #1 4 lyfe list sucks yo. Nada's placement is a judgement call. But do you honestly all care that much if Nada is #3, #4, or #5? Nada's play against Up and Yellow[Arnc] was pretty good, but his games against Casy and Savior were way worse than Iris', so it should be pretty obvious that, despite Iris taking third in the OSL, he played better. So Nada shouldn't be #3. Then we're left with Midas, who went 4-2 in the OSL, losing only to Savior. Nada went 1-2 in groups, won a tiebreaker against Dongrae to get into the Wildcard games, beat FBH and Light, went 2-1 against Up, 2-1 against Yarnc, 3-2 against Casy, and 1-3 against Savior, finishing up at 12-9 for the OSL. So Midas had a 67% win rate, and Nada had a 57% win rate. Given Midas' small sample size, however, that's pretty inconclusive. But if we look at how the two fared against the only opponents they had in common, Savior and Light, there's a bit more evidence in Midas' favor. Both players beat Light pretty easily, but I can't imagine anyone saying that Nada put up a better showing against Savior than Midas did. So I don't think it's out of line, given all of the above information, to put him one slot above Nada. If you think otherwise, it might be a good idea to consider your own bias. | ||
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Detonate
Iceland578 Posts
 (( , i had no idea you would make a feature like this, then ban people for disagreeing with it(using vulgar language of course, which i see on this website anyway all the time) even if they were spewing bullshit, no need for that | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27093 Posts
On March 05 2007 16:43 Detonate wrote: (( , i had no idea you would make a feature like this, then ban people for disagreeing with it(using vulgar language of course, which i see on this website anyway all the time) even if they were spewing bullshit, no need for that Apparently you cant read. Look at number four. And in no thread on this site is what GoBOXERgogo said acceptable. Especially not to a staff member. | ||
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Manifesto7
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mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
On March 05 2007 15:09 GoBOXERgogo wrote: He's basically a borderline dickhead. Which hey, I know I am right? No, that's where you're wrong. He is a dickhead.  | ||
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DJEtterStyle
United States2766 Posts
On March 05 2007 17:34 mrmin123 wrote: No, that's where you're wrong. He is a dickhead. Min, you and I just understand each other. I'd give you a big ol' hug if I wasn't scared of catching asian from you. ^^ | ||
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