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yubee
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States3826 Posts
February 11 2007 14:56 GMT
#1
if watching reps in groups, go to a non-ladder server, right? might be a small hassle but higher security is nice
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27158 Posts
February 11 2007 14:57 GMT
#2
I mean that ladder games are only watchable by two people, because the replay only has two slots (created in one on one mode).
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
February 11 2007 15:03 GMT
#3
What's the purpose of "higher security"?

I don't care if the other guy MHs, really. I just won't game him again if he finds out. And since I know most of the people I game, I don't get that problem.
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yubee
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States3826 Posts
February 11 2007 15:05 GMT
#4
On February 11 2007 23:57 Manifesto7 wrote:
I mean that ladder games are only watchable by two people, because the replay only has two slots (created in one on one mode).

ew shit nvm melee mode for sure
Dewrain
Profile Joined February 2006
Poland25 Posts
February 11 2007 15:09 GMT
#5
one on one mode with higher security

This is one and only way for good ladder
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27158 Posts
February 11 2007 15:19 GMT
#6
On February 12 2007 00:03 Last Romantic wrote:
What's the purpose of "higher security"?

I don't care if the other guy MHs, really. I just won't game him again if he finds out. And since I know most of the people I game, I don't get that problem.


It isnt about map hack, it is about abusing for wins, a far larger problem for any ladder.

For a frame of reference, pgt was one on one only.
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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-11 16:07:09
February 11 2007 16:01 GMT
#7
if it is possible to secure people that can write them, there have been programs in the past that open slots for replays. one on one mode games could be watched by a full house.

as it is, i would still prefer melee mode because a lot of the fun in ladders at the average level is showing off your cool wins to your friends or showing them losses asking for advice. also, what if the players have mannered observers? lessened security but more trust and freedom seems like it would help the ladder overall, since the accumulation of little turnoffs and annoyances are what in the end make many people quit playing, not the game itself. the downside is that (i'm not sure about this, but maybe quite) a bit more stress and need for moderation will be placed on the administrators.

a sensible course of action could be to at first use one-on-one mode until the early stages of hectic organization are sorted out, and then begin to implement melee mode and user conveniences once everything has settled down.

of course if there are massive differences in security and ability to abuse i would vote one-on-one, but i am not aware of any.
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[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
February 11 2007 16:26 GMT
#8
One on One mode its better. Why would the fact that you couldn't show a full house your replays make you want melee. And like someone said there is the replay slot maker which would allow it anyway.
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Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
February 11 2007 16:55 GMT
#9
One on one + revive the old replays slot maker
WiljushkA
Profile Joined March 2006
Serbia1416 Posts
February 11 2007 19:13 GMT
#10
one on one, the only way to go for a ladder
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december-
Profile Joined February 2007
Romania76 Posts
February 11 2007 19:18 GMT
#11
one on one plz; PGT style much better for skill

+ if its one on one with no replays then koreans will play. even semi-pros.
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
February 11 2007 19:36 GMT
#12
On February 12 2007 01:55 Catyoul wrote:
One on one + revive the old replays slot maker
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
February 11 2007 20:03 GMT
#13
On February 12 2007 01:55 Catyoul wrote:
One on one + revive the old replays slot maker

definitely. it would be nice if the slot maker got integrated into bwlauncher
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littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
February 11 2007 22:34 GMT
#14
one on one
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
February 11 2007 22:54 GMT
#15
melee, as long as we have good ladder mods and really swift bansticks =D
pheer
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
5397 Posts
February 11 2007 23:01 GMT
#16
One on one. I've never shown a replay to more than one person in my life.
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Qi.TiGeR
Profile Joined January 2007
Bangladesh78 Posts
February 11 2007 23:22 GMT
#17
one on one.
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Asakura
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Germany471 Posts
February 11 2007 23:29 GMT
#18
more security in one on ones, obviously
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Muell
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany89 Posts
February 11 2007 23:41 GMT
#19
melee is nice for obs but i think it would produce too many problems with people accusing others of proobsing
so 1-1 only
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Commentator
Profile Joined February 2007
United States43 Posts
February 11 2007 23:44 GMT
#20
It seems like a question of whose convenience is more important: ladder admins (anti-abuse work) or users (showing replays). I can't imagine users refusing to play a ladder because the replays are not socially apt, but I can imagine a ladder's administration having burnout problems, etc, due to a higher workload. My suggestion would be to at least start with 1on1 mode for ease of operation and if everything is going nicely, introduce melee later. If it's not easy to switch between 1on1 and melee, I'd still suggest going with 1on1.

However the best solution would be to bring back slot maker as I think a lot of people have been missing that anyway.
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
February 12 2007 00:03 GMT
#21
I voted one on one. But how much extra security are we talking about here exactly?
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bine
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States2352 Posts
February 12 2007 01:32 GMT
#22
Yeah, can someone please explain clearly the advantage of one on one? In what way can melee be abused that 1v1 can't? Are you saying there would be games with multiple people or something? I'm probably just being stupid and not seeing something obvious.
SCNewb
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada2210 Posts
February 12 2007 01:56 GMT
#23
voted 1 on 1
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Magic-man
Profile Joined January 2006
Czech Republic32 Posts
February 12 2007 02:27 GMT
#24
And what about creating some rules about this - there cannot be any observer in the ladder game, but it can be created like melee or obs version :o))
[Carlodajin]
Profile Joined January 2007
Peru306 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-12 07:32:00
February 12 2007 03:04 GMT
#25
I liked PGT It was awesome
I wish it could come back T_T
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
February 12 2007 05:53 GMT
#26
1v1
Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
February 12 2007 06:11 GMT
#27
i really like the sound of this poll
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
February 12 2007 06:40 GMT
#28
On February 12 2007 01:01 intrigue wrote:
i lessened security but more trust and freedom seems like it would help the ladder overall


oh please, give people trust and freedom and you will end up being full of abusers. Tighten Security thx
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Fr3nzY
Profile Joined February 2007
United States28 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-12 07:58:11
February 12 2007 07:57 GMT
#29
Who cares about watching reps with 7 people? one on one
greatmeh
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1964 Posts
February 12 2007 07:58 GMT
#30
higher security for sure
never thought that it was a big deal if only 2 ppl can watch
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
February 12 2007 08:20 GMT
#31
one on one, less headache, less problem. fuck obs convenience.
Detonate
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Iceland578 Posts
February 12 2007 08:33 GMT
#32
yea as bine mentioned earlier, im probably being dumb, but what is the advantage of 1v1 over Melee?
inept @ west always up for TMM and 1vs1. TLT3 goGOgOG
BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
February 12 2007 09:59 GMT
#33
1v1 with higher security, b/c im a loner gamer don't really watch reps with others
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
February 12 2007 10:21 GMT
#34
voted melee but after reading the responses here

On February 12 2007 05:03 SoMuchBetter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2007 01:55 Catyoul wrote:
One on one + revive the old replays slot maker

definitely. it would be nice if the slot maker got integrated into bwlauncher


would be ideal?
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
February 12 2007 13:18 GMT
#35
one on one... slot maker too

if you're gonna melee or whatever, just go on bnet servers.
why ladder when the person above you isn't playing fair?
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ChoboCop
Profile Joined July 2004
United States954 Posts
February 12 2007 17:01 GMT
#36
This is why we have replay slot maker.
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XythOs
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
Germany520 Posts
February 12 2007 18:58 GMT
#37
one on one, the replay thing isn't a real problem is it?
KimmoL
Profile Joined December 2004
Norway256 Posts
February 12 2007 22:54 GMT
#38
whats the point of this poll?? it is possible to be more than 2 ppl in a rep on one on one mode, but thats if u use bwlauncher... right? xD
neSix
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1772 Posts
February 13 2007 00:38 GMT
#39
I don't have a large group of people that I hang out with consistently on SC (like a clan or team or something). I have a select few people on my f l, and consequently I'd be just content on replays that, theoretically speaking, could only hold one slot for reps. I just don't need more slots than one. :|

Having that said, I'd prefer higher security. As was stated before, things like MH and so much really do not bother me... It's more or less the win-hacks that make ladders useless. I don't really know, and because I got into Starcraft competitively much later than most of the other people on this forum, I don't consider myself very educated or experienced in such aspects.

GL With whatever you're planning ^^
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
February 13 2007 02:43 GMT
#40
the only thing i didn't like at pgt was the lack of obsing
i mean.. i see my friends play some ladder games and wanted to obs but could not
if you could make that it would be gosu
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 13 2007 06:00 GMT
#41
1 on 1
just make it exactly like pgt but with only modern, balanced maps.
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Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
February 13 2007 08:06 GMT
#42
hmm these polls are so close i expected mroe to vote 1;1 ;;
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
February 13 2007 09:34 GMT
#43
On February 13 2007 15:00 IdrA wrote:
1 on 1
just make it exactly like pgt but with only modern, balanced maps.


my thoughts exactly.... man how i long for a ladder
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
February 13 2007 09:46 GMT
#44
if its melee, u can just close slots and dont let anyone watch while ur playing...isnt that the same as one vs one mode? this would also solve more than 2 people able to watch reps ?
statix
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States1760 Posts
February 13 2007 11:32 GMT
#45
voted for 1on1...secure and reliable ladder>rep watching
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
February 13 2007 11:57 GMT
#46
one on one.
Chosi
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Germany1304 Posts
February 13 2007 14:58 GMT
#47
Isn't there a ReplaySlotMaker?
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psychosis
Profile Joined November 2006
Sweden107 Posts
February 14 2007 00:09 GMT
#48
Hm. Tough call actually. The security is ofcourse a big plus, but I like to be able to watch replays with others as well.

On the One on one mode you can watch it with one more. Besides, I usually watch replays alone anyways. And it worked very well on PGT. I'm kinda arguing against myself here, am I not? Well. I convinced myself. One on One mode it is. Thanks for your input to my dilemma, psychosis, you are very wise.

Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 14 2007 00:13 GMT
#49
One on one. Abusing is ever a problem. Yet how many people want to show more than 1 person a good replay? Some. But everyone gets so so pissed at a bit of abusing and a little pitance like only 2 per rep is nothing really. If he's asking for advice usually its only 1 player helping him anyway.
Detonate
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Iceland578 Posts
February 14 2007 07:38 GMT
#50
can some one please tell me how one on one mode has higher security then melee mode before I vote? it has been asked a couple times already but maybe it was missed.
inept @ west always up for TMM and 1vs1. TLT3 goGOgOG
Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
February 14 2007 18:14 GMT
#51
Yeah I'm going to ask that too: Why is one on one more secure as an anti-abuse system as opposed to melee? Is it to prevent obs and therefore obs cheating? If thats the case, the players can simply deny observers, cant they?

In any case, if it turns out that one on one really IS more anti-abuse, then that should obviously be the preferred mode of play. Replay slot maker ftw!
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
February 15 2007 12:17 GMT
#52
what kind of security would there be thou?
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