• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:25
CEST 17:25
KST 00:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash8[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy16ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research8Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
How can I add timer&apm count ? ASL21 General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Behind the scenes footage of ASL21 Group E
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro24 Group F [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group E
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1836 users

When playing ladder do you prefer...

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
Post a Reply
Normal
yubee
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States3826 Posts
February 11 2007 14:56 GMT
#1
if watching reps in groups, go to a non-ladder server, right? might be a small hassle but higher security is nice
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27172 Posts
February 11 2007 14:57 GMT
#2
I mean that ladder games are only watchable by two people, because the replay only has two slots (created in one on one mode).
ModeratorGodfather
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
February 11 2007 15:03 GMT
#3
What's the purpose of "higher security"?

I don't care if the other guy MHs, really. I just won't game him again if he finds out. And since I know most of the people I game, I don't get that problem.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
yubee
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States3826 Posts
February 11 2007 15:05 GMT
#4
On February 11 2007 23:57 Manifesto7 wrote:
I mean that ladder games are only watchable by two people, because the replay only has two slots (created in one on one mode).

ew shit nvm melee mode for sure
Dewrain
Profile Joined February 2006
Poland25 Posts
February 11 2007 15:09 GMT
#5
one on one mode with higher security

This is one and only way for good ladder
dEwRaiN_IhF
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27172 Posts
February 11 2007 15:19 GMT
#6
On February 12 2007 00:03 Last Romantic wrote:
What's the purpose of "higher security"?

I don't care if the other guy MHs, really. I just won't game him again if he finds out. And since I know most of the people I game, I don't get that problem.


It isnt about map hack, it is about abusing for wins, a far larger problem for any ladder.

For a frame of reference, pgt was one on one only.
ModeratorGodfather
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-11 16:07:09
February 11 2007 16:01 GMT
#7
if it is possible to secure people that can write them, there have been programs in the past that open slots for replays. one on one mode games could be watched by a full house.

as it is, i would still prefer melee mode because a lot of the fun in ladders at the average level is showing off your cool wins to your friends or showing them losses asking for advice. also, what if the players have mannered observers? lessened security but more trust and freedom seems like it would help the ladder overall, since the accumulation of little turnoffs and annoyances are what in the end make many people quit playing, not the game itself. the downside is that (i'm not sure about this, but maybe quite) a bit more stress and need for moderation will be placed on the administrators.

a sensible course of action could be to at first use one-on-one mode until the early stages of hectic organization are sorted out, and then begin to implement melee mode and user conveniences once everything has settled down.

of course if there are massive differences in security and ability to abuse i would vote one-on-one, but i am not aware of any.
Moderatorhttps://soundcloud.com/castlesmusic/sets/oak
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
February 11 2007 16:26 GMT
#8
One on One mode its better. Why would the fact that you couldn't show a full house your replays make you want melee. And like someone said there is the replay slot maker which would allow it anyway.
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
February 11 2007 16:55 GMT
#9
One on one + revive the old replays slot maker
WiljushkA
Profile Joined March 2006
Serbia1416 Posts
February 11 2007 19:13 GMT
#10
one on one, the only way to go for a ladder
"As much as I love the image of me F5-ing paypal every 15 minutes while fist pumping and screaming "SHIP THE MONEY BITCHES"" - Day9
december-
Profile Joined February 2007
Romania76 Posts
February 11 2007 19:18 GMT
#11
one on one plz; PGT style much better for skill

+ if its one on one with no replays then koreans will play. even semi-pros.
none
SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
February 11 2007 19:36 GMT
#12
On February 12 2007 01:55 Catyoul wrote:
One on one + revive the old replays slot maker
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
February 11 2007 20:03 GMT
#13
On February 12 2007 01:55 Catyoul wrote:
One on one + revive the old replays slot maker

definitely. it would be nice if the slot maker got integrated into bwlauncher
AUSSIESCUM
TeamLiquid eSTROgeneral #1 • RIP
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
February 11 2007 22:34 GMT
#14
one on one
Entusman #12
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
February 11 2007 22:54 GMT
#15
melee, as long as we have good ladder mods and really swift bansticks =D
pheer
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
5398 Posts
February 11 2007 23:01 GMT
#16
One on one. I've never shown a replay to more than one person in my life.
Moderator
Qi.TiGeR
Profile Joined January 2007
Bangladesh78 Posts
February 11 2007 23:22 GMT
#17
one on one.
TLTour Lead Engineer
Asakura
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Germany471 Posts
February 11 2007 23:29 GMT
#18
more security in one on ones, obviously
Man is disturbed not by things, but by the views he takes of them. (Epictetus)
Muell
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany89 Posts
February 11 2007 23:41 GMT
#19
melee is nice for obs but i think it would produce too many problems with people accusing others of proobsing
so 1-1 only
best sc:bw player alive: IPXZerg aka sAviOr
Commentator
Profile Joined February 2007
United States43 Posts
February 11 2007 23:44 GMT
#20
It seems like a question of whose convenience is more important: ladder admins (anti-abuse work) or users (showing replays). I can't imagine users refusing to play a ladder because the replays are not socially apt, but I can imagine a ladder's administration having burnout problems, etc, due to a higher workload. My suggestion would be to at least start with 1on1 mode for ease of operation and if everything is going nicely, introduce melee later. If it's not easy to switch between 1on1 and melee, I'd still suggest going with 1on1.

However the best solution would be to bring back slot maker as I think a lot of people have been missing that anyway.
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
February 12 2007 00:03 GMT
#21
I voted one on one. But how much extra security are we talking about here exactly?
http://www.kongregate.com/?referrer=Sagess
bine
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States2352 Posts
February 12 2007 01:32 GMT
#22
Yeah, can someone please explain clearly the advantage of one on one? In what way can melee be abused that 1v1 can't? Are you saying there would be games with multiple people or something? I'm probably just being stupid and not seeing something obvious.
SCNewb
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada2210 Posts
February 12 2007 01:56 GMT
#23
voted 1 on 1
Huge iloveOov fan
Magic-man
Profile Joined January 2006
Czech Republic32 Posts
February 12 2007 02:27 GMT
#24
And what about creating some rules about this - there cannot be any observer in the ladder game, but it can be created like melee or obs version :o))
[Carlodajin]
Profile Joined January 2007
Peru306 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-12 07:32:00
February 12 2007 03:04 GMT
#25
I liked PGT It was awesome
I wish it could come back T_T
RespectKorea KeSPA 1)SlayerS_`BoxeR`(Legend Of South Korea) 2)AnyTime[gm](Passion Of South Korea) 3)JulyZerg(Sense Of South Korea) 4)iloveoov(Winner Of WCG 2006) 5)XellOs[yG](I Love XellOs Style) http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=49272
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
February 12 2007 05:53 GMT
#26
1v1
Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
February 12 2007 06:11 GMT
#27
i really like the sound of this poll
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
February 12 2007 06:40 GMT
#28
On February 12 2007 01:01 intrigue wrote:
i lessened security but more trust and freedom seems like it would help the ladder overall


oh please, give people trust and freedom and you will end up being full of abusers. Tighten Security thx
Teamliquidian townie
Fr3nzY
Profile Joined February 2007
United States28 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-12 07:58:11
February 12 2007 07:57 GMT
#29
Who cares about watching reps with 7 people? one on one
greatmeh
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1964 Posts
February 12 2007 07:58 GMT
#30
higher security for sure
never thought that it was a big deal if only 2 ppl can watch
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
February 12 2007 08:20 GMT
#31
one on one, less headache, less problem. fuck obs convenience.
Detonate
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Iceland578 Posts
February 12 2007 08:33 GMT
#32
yea as bine mentioned earlier, im probably being dumb, but what is the advantage of 1v1 over Melee?
inept @ west always up for TMM and 1vs1. TLT3 goGOgOG
BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
February 12 2007 09:59 GMT
#33
1v1 with higher security, b/c im a loner gamer don't really watch reps with others
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
February 12 2007 10:21 GMT
#34
voted melee but after reading the responses here

On February 12 2007 05:03 SoMuchBetter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2007 01:55 Catyoul wrote:
One on one + revive the old replays slot maker

definitely. it would be nice if the slot maker got integrated into bwlauncher


would be ideal?
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
February 12 2007 13:18 GMT
#35
one on one... slot maker too

if you're gonna melee or whatever, just go on bnet servers.
why ladder when the person above you isn't playing fair?
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
ChoboCop
Profile Joined July 2004
United States954 Posts
February 12 2007 17:01 GMT
#36
This is why we have replay slot maker.
Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered.
XythOs
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
Germany520 Posts
February 12 2007 18:58 GMT
#37
one on one, the replay thing isn't a real problem is it?
KimmoL
Profile Joined December 2004
Norway256 Posts
February 12 2007 22:54 GMT
#38
whats the point of this poll?? it is possible to be more than 2 ppl in a rep on one on one mode, but thats if u use bwlauncher... right? xD
neSix
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1772 Posts
February 13 2007 00:38 GMT
#39
I don't have a large group of people that I hang out with consistently on SC (like a clan or team or something). I have a select few people on my f l, and consequently I'd be just content on replays that, theoretically speaking, could only hold one slot for reps. I just don't need more slots than one. :|

Having that said, I'd prefer higher security. As was stated before, things like MH and so much really do not bother me... It's more or less the win-hacks that make ladders useless. I don't really know, and because I got into Starcraft competitively much later than most of the other people on this forum, I don't consider myself very educated or experienced in such aspects.

GL With whatever you're planning ^^
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
February 13 2007 02:43 GMT
#40
the only thing i didn't like at pgt was the lack of obsing
i mean.. i see my friends play some ladder games and wanted to obs but could not
if you could make that it would be gosu
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 13 2007 06:00 GMT
#41
1 on 1
just make it exactly like pgt but with only modern, balanced maps.
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
February 13 2007 08:06 GMT
#42
hmm these polls are so close i expected mroe to vote 1;1 ;;
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
February 13 2007 09:34 GMT
#43
On February 13 2007 15:00 IdrA wrote:
1 on 1
just make it exactly like pgt but with only modern, balanced maps.


my thoughts exactly.... man how i long for a ladder
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
February 13 2007 09:46 GMT
#44
if its melee, u can just close slots and dont let anyone watch while ur playing...isnt that the same as one vs one mode? this would also solve more than 2 people able to watch reps ?
statix
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States1760 Posts
February 13 2007 11:32 GMT
#45
voted for 1on1...secure and reliable ladder>rep watching
SCC-Caliban
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
February 13 2007 11:57 GMT
#46
one on one.
Chosi
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Germany1306 Posts
February 13 2007 14:58 GMT
#47
Isn't there a ReplaySlotMaker?
Someday, you’re going to fuck up so magnificently, so ambitiously, so overwhelmingly that the sky will light up and the moons will spin and the gods themselves will shit comets with glee. And I just hope I’m still around to see it.
psychosis
Profile Joined November 2006
Sweden107 Posts
February 14 2007 00:09 GMT
#48
Hm. Tough call actually. The security is ofcourse a big plus, but I like to be able to watch replays with others as well.

On the One on one mode you can watch it with one more. Besides, I usually watch replays alone anyways. And it worked very well on PGT. I'm kinda arguing against myself here, am I not? Well. I convinced myself. One on One mode it is. Thanks for your input to my dilemma, psychosis, you are very wise.

Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 14 2007 00:13 GMT
#49
One on one. Abusing is ever a problem. Yet how many people want to show more than 1 person a good replay? Some. But everyone gets so so pissed at a bit of abusing and a little pitance like only 2 per rep is nothing really. If he's asking for advice usually its only 1 player helping him anyway.
Detonate
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Iceland578 Posts
February 14 2007 07:38 GMT
#50
can some one please tell me how one on one mode has higher security then melee mode before I vote? it has been asked a couple times already but maybe it was missed.
inept @ west always up for TMM and 1vs1. TLT3 goGOgOG
Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
February 14 2007 18:14 GMT
#51
Yeah I'm going to ask that too: Why is one on one more secure as an anti-abuse system as opposed to melee? Is it to prevent obs and therefore obs cheating? If thats the case, the players can simply deny observers, cant they?

In any case, if it turns out that one on one really IS more anti-abuse, then that should obviously be the preferred mode of play. Replay slot maker ftw!
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
February 15 2007 12:17 GMT
#52
what kind of security would there be thou?
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 35m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 270
RotterdaM 241
Hui .239
ProTech120
trigger 42
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 33801
Calm 6289
Mini 3465
Horang2 2021
BeSt 857
Soma 727
EffOrt 564
Snow 499
firebathero 484
Stork 464
[ Show more ]
actioN 385
hero 187
ggaemo 149
Soulkey 99
Sharp 74
JYJ 69
Sea.KH 69
Leta 64
PianO 40
Hyun 31
Backho 30
sorry 28
Aegong 26
Hm[arnc] 25
scan(afreeca) 21
Terrorterran 20
Sexy 19
Rock 19
GoRush 15
soO 14
Shine 13
IntoTheRainbow 11
Sacsri 10
yabsab 10
zelot 7
Dota 2
Gorgc5538
420jenkins253
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss721
Heroes of the Storm
MindelVK6
Other Games
gofns7169
B2W.Neo1291
FrodaN385
crisheroes270
Livibee237
Fuzer 140
ArmadaUGS106
XaKoH 100
KnowMe85
QueenE81
Trikslyr39
oskar31
Organizations
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 477
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 54
• LUISG 8
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3229
• lizZardDota258
League of Legends
• Nemesis4005
• Jankos2353
Other Games
• WagamamaTV298
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
35m
Bly vs TBD
TriGGeR vs Lambo
Replay Cast
8h 35m
RSL Revival
18h 35m
Maru vs MaxPax
BSL
1d 3h
RSL Revival
1d 15h
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 22h
BSL
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
Escore Tournament S2: W1
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.