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Zhul
Profile Joined February 2010
Czech Republic430 Posts
August 12 2011 08:06 GMT
#61
Zero morphed into Killer?
kuriz
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark141 Posts
August 12 2011 08:54 GMT
#62
Oh I'm so much of a fanboy that it hurts....can't believe how bad JD is doing these days :-( miss the JvX times, but he's only like your regular Z now....really hope he can pull some magic
levarien11111
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States61 Posts
August 12 2011 09:17 GMT
#63
i would like you to elaborate more on jaedongs zerg vs terran , it is as good as it has ever been and that might be subject to him practicing verses flash every now and again.

Now i am going to make a defense for jaedongs zerg vs zerg however not a good one as results

matter the most.He is getting a little older and might be slowing down a bit since zvz is such a

split second decision making game , the tiniest margins of speed can matter in zvz so i would say

his ability to multitask/micro are a little bit torn.Jaedong can get this back though, he is not that

old and with some good rest/practice routine he can easily regain his zvz.Also let me elaborate

more on what i mean by tiniest margines, i literally mean a millisecond, one millisecond. I will let

that sink in for a moment.Jaedongs ability far exceeded everyone else in his multitasking/raw

ability/macro everything was better but in zvz it is a bit different. When i play a zerg vs zerg

matchup i know that in some cases it is a coinflip but it can also be a straight forward matchup.

When you put into perspective his zvt it becomes a little more clear why jaedongs zvz is suffering.

He is so used to dominating in a matchup that when, he isn't anymore, he cannot adjust, so he

does riskier things(ie triple 12 hatch vs soulkey -_-) instead of just get back the skill he had and

relying on his ability to jsut out think and outmultitask his opponent.In his zerg vs terran, what

does jaedong do? He literally dominates with per latent decision making and macro.

Micro definitely plays a part, but not something we haven't seen from jaedong before.

I think jaedong is just lacking confidence more then any other aspect of his game even if his age

is lessening his micro in zvz a bit.Jaedong i believe has demonstrated that he can be a beast at

the top of his game and good when he isn't at the top of his game.Jaedong just needs to realize

that its okay to be risky but not so incredibly risky that you lose to a 9 pool 3 straight times by

going 12 hatch.I want to see jaedong fall out of glory like a legend , fighting with every ounce of

confidence and ability he has until he cannot win anymore with it.This is just his zvz though and i

doubt we will see his zvt/zvp fall out of glory for a very long time.

now jaedongs zerg vs protoss...... It is good but we cannot say anything at this point since we have not seen his zvp in stellar fashion but its not bad enough to say jaedong has lost his edge in the matchup.
death is only the beginning
moochu
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia374 Posts
August 12 2011 09:21 GMT
#64
oh man i think killer came onto the the scene when jaedong was near his peak and i remember how hard oz fans face palmed when he kept getting sent out for ace matches instead of jaedong, never thought i'd see the day where he'd almost over take his mentor on the power rank.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 12 2011 14:22 GMT
#65
No Zerg yet has lost the KeSPA throne and retaken it yet, and with Jaedong out of OSL and Hydra still in it that task has become even more arduous.

That's true for all but H.O.T Forever, who was #1 Zerg for 3 months on the KeSPA rank but only 2 consecutively, and thus the exception to the rule.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
August 12 2011 14:40 GMT
#66
LOL

Zero is so good that he appeared twice on this power rank!!!
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Ecrilon
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
501 Posts
August 12 2011 17:41 GMT
#67
and he's still ridiculously cute. Harem, find me some more pictures.

because I could only find this picture of Zero.
There is but one truth.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 12 2011 17:57 GMT
#68
I don't think JD's split second decision making is the problem. This problem in ZvZ is incredibly recent. It wasn't until earlier this year that anybody had any kind of doubts about JvZ and it wasn't until JD vs Zero that people started to develop serious reservations. Most people thought JD would just bounce back from his loss to Hydra and it first it seemed like he did.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 12 2011 21:31 GMT
#69
I have to say that I still believe that soO's ZvT is terribad (and that soO has no "power" whatsoever) and I'll further develop my point when I'm back home (sunday)
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Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
August 13 2011 01:53 GMT
#70
On August 12 2011 23:22 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
No Zerg yet has lost the KeSPA throne and retaken it yet, and with Jaedong out of OSL and Hydra still in it that task has become even more arduous.

That's true for all but H.O.T Forever, who was #1 Zerg for 3 months on the KeSPA rank but only 2 consecutively, and thus the exception to the rule.


Actually TaewoO was a random player (or at least he didn't play Zerg exclusively), so H.O.T was the #1 Zerg consecutively too.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
August 13 2011 02:18 GMT
#71
You're welcome!
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
August 13 2011 02:46 GMT
#72
FK yeah zero and soulkey. zerg pryde mfkerssssss

also light to a lesser extent ^.^
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 05:58:46
August 13 2011 02:48 GMT
#73
On August 13 2011 10:53 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 23:22 moopie wrote:
No Zerg yet has lost the KeSPA throne and retaken it yet, and with Jaedong out of OSL and Hydra still in it that task has become even more arduous.

That's true for all but H.O.T Forever, who was #1 Zerg for 3 months on the KeSPA rank but only 2 consecutively, and thus the exception to the rule.


Actually TaewoO was a random player (or at least he didn't play Zerg exclusively), so H.O.T was the #1 Zerg consecutively too.

He wasn't random, but he did play T and Z (with a bit of P). However, KeSPA's official records recognize his Z reign as #1 Zerg for 3 months. Since KeSPA is the head authority of the KeSPA rank and they state that H.O.T's rule was not consecutive, that's good enough for me.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
InFdude
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Bulgaria619 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 08:08:42
August 13 2011 08:07 GMT
#74
--- Nuked ---
bentnormal
Profile Joined December 2009
112 Posts
August 13 2011 08:31 GMT
#75
I wouldn't bet on Jangbi. No nadejdata umira posledna. Flash ftw
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 08:52:46
August 13 2011 08:50 GMT
#76
On August 13 2011 17:07 InFdude wrote:
Well I am enraged at how things have gone.I can't beleave how 1 badly designed match up has cost Jaedong so many titles.And now all these other amaturish, compared to Jaedongs ZvT, zergs will just feed Flash another title without any resistance.

My last hope for a good OSL is Jangbi.After that i won't even waste my time watching another boring roflstomp.

Jaedong owes so much of his career to ZvZ. It may have been the best matchup anybody's ever had. (Seriously, what compares? oov vs. Z? Flash vs. T? Even they didn't have 80%+ sustained for as long as Jaedong did.) It used to be an autowin, and a free ride into the next round of the tournament.

You can't blame all of JD's recent problems on ZvZ without acknowledging how much of an advantage it has been for most of his career.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
August 13 2011 10:47 GMT
#77
On August 13 2011 17:50 SimonB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 17:07 InFdude wrote:
Well I am enraged at how things have gone.I can't beleave how 1 badly designed match up has cost Jaedong so many titles.And now all these other amaturish, compared to Jaedongs ZvT, zergs will just feed Flash another title without any resistance.

My last hope for a good OSL is Jangbi.After that i won't even waste my time watching another boring roflstomp.

Jaedong owes so much of his career to ZvZ. It may have been the best matchup anybody's ever had. (Seriously, what compares? oov vs. Z? Flash vs. T? Even they didn't have 80%+ sustained for as long as Jaedong did.) It used to be an autowin, and a free ride into the next round of the tournament.

You can't blame all of JD's recent problems on ZvZ without acknowledging how much of an advantage it has been for most of his career.

The mu is still the hardest (and least fair) in the game I think - Stork said so in an interview - regardless of how dominant Jaedong once was in it. It's not like he owes something to the nature of the mu, he was just so much better than all the other zergs ever had been.

@InFdude: You'll just have to learn to enjoy how freaking good Flash is, even if it looks easy for him that doesn't mean that it isn't very impressive.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 13 2011 13:21 GMT
#78
On August 13 2011 11:48 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 10:53 Cpadolf wrote:
On August 12 2011 23:22 moopie wrote:
No Zerg yet has lost the KeSPA throne and retaken it yet, and with Jaedong out of OSL and Hydra still in it that task has become even more arduous.

That's true for all but H.O.T Forever, who was #1 Zerg for 3 months on the KeSPA rank but only 2 consecutively, and thus the exception to the rule.


Actually TaewoO was a random player (or at least he didn't play Zerg exclusively), so H.O.T was the #1 Zerg consecutively too.

He wasn't random, but he did play T and Z (with a bit of P). However, KeSPA's official records recognize his Z reign as #1 Zerg for 3 months. Since KeSPA is the head authority of the KeSPA rank and they state that H.O.T's rule was not consecutive, that's good enough for me.


Back then most players would use random whenever the map was unsuitable for their main race and would sometimes use random (or race pick) when they had a concern over how a particular match might play out. If you look through records carefully you'll see that other top names of their races did this as well. In fact I remember at one point looking on pgr21.com and seeing that TheMarine was one of the top 10 rated Protoss players ever. This was like in 2002. Even Boxer would occasionally play races other than Terran (see his Game-Q series with IntoTheRain).

Eventually KeSPA forced certain rules about race selection. In the old days you would just show up and pick whatever race you wanted but now you cannot do that anymore -- your opponent is given a chance to prepare knowing what race you will come out as.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 14:07:19
August 13 2011 13:42 GMT
#79
On August 13 2011 22:21 Mortality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 11:48 moopie wrote:
On August 13 2011 10:53 Cpadolf wrote:
On August 12 2011 23:22 moopie wrote:
No Zerg yet has lost the KeSPA throne and retaken it yet, and with Jaedong out of OSL and Hydra still in it that task has become even more arduous.

That's true for all but H.O.T Forever, who was #1 Zerg for 3 months on the KeSPA rank but only 2 consecutively, and thus the exception to the rule.


Actually TaewoO was a random player (or at least he didn't play Zerg exclusively), so H.O.T was the #1 Zerg consecutively too.

He wasn't random, but he did play T and Z (with a bit of P). However, KeSPA's official records recognize his Z reign as #1 Zerg for 3 months. Since KeSPA is the head authority of the KeSPA rank and they state that H.O.T's rule was not consecutive, that's good enough for me.


Back then most players would use random whenever the map was unsuitable for their main race and would sometimes use random (or race pick) when they had a concern over how a particular match might play out. If you look through records carefully you'll see that other top names of their races did this as well. In fact I remember at one point looking on pgr21.com and seeing that TheMarine was one of the top 10 rated Protoss players ever. This was like in 2002. Even Boxer would occasionally play races other than Terran (see his Game-Q series with IntoTheRain).

Eventually KeSPA forced certain rules about race selection. In the old days you would just show up and pick whatever race you wanted but now you cannot do that anymore -- your opponent is given a chance to prepare knowing what race you will come out as.

I'm aware of that, I even reported TLPD errors of missing player races (for randoms/race-switchers) a few weeks ago when I ran my own TLPD scripts (here). I wasn't disputing multiple races being used.

If you check the nested discussion you quoted you'll see we were discussing whether or not H.O.T's reign was consecutive, and according to KeSPA's records it was not. Not sure what point you're trying to make.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Svennedude
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium86 Posts
August 13 2011 14:52 GMT
#80
only one toss in the power ranking :D
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