EPTPower Rank 08/11/2011 - Page 4
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Zhul
Czech Republic430 Posts
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kuriz
Denmark141 Posts
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levarien11111
United States61 Posts
Now i am going to make a defense for jaedongs zerg vs zerg however not a good one as results matter the most.He is getting a little older and might be slowing down a bit since zvz is such a split second decision making game , the tiniest margins of speed can matter in zvz so i would say his ability to multitask/micro are a little bit torn.Jaedong can get this back though, he is not that old and with some good rest/practice routine he can easily regain his zvz.Also let me elaborate more on what i mean by tiniest margines, i literally mean a millisecond, one millisecond. I will let that sink in for a moment.Jaedongs ability far exceeded everyone else in his multitasking/raw ability/macro everything was better but in zvz it is a bit different. When i play a zerg vs zerg matchup i know that in some cases it is a coinflip but it can also be a straight forward matchup. When you put into perspective his zvt it becomes a little more clear why jaedongs zvz is suffering. He is so used to dominating in a matchup that when, he isn't anymore, he cannot adjust, so he does riskier things(ie triple 12 hatch vs soulkey -_-) instead of just get back the skill he had and relying on his ability to jsut out think and outmultitask his opponent.In his zerg vs terran, what does jaedong do? He literally dominates with per latent decision making and macro. Micro definitely plays a part, but not something we haven't seen from jaedong before. I think jaedong is just lacking confidence more then any other aspect of his game even if his age is lessening his micro in zvz a bit.Jaedong i believe has demonstrated that he can be a beast at the top of his game and good when he isn't at the top of his game.Jaedong just needs to realize that its okay to be risky but not so incredibly risky that you lose to a 9 pool 3 straight times by going 12 hatch.I want to see jaedong fall out of glory like a legend , fighting with every ounce of confidence and ability he has until he cannot win anymore with it.This is just his zvz though and i doubt we will see his zvt/zvp fall out of glory for a very long time. now jaedongs zerg vs protoss...... It is good but we cannot say anything at this point since we have not seen his zvp in stellar fashion but its not bad enough to say jaedong has lost his edge in the matchup. | ||
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moochu
Australia374 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
No Zerg yet has lost the KeSPA throne and retaken it yet, and with Jaedong out of OSL and Hydra still in it that task has become even more arduous. That's true for all but H.O.T Forever, who was #1 Zerg for 3 months on the KeSPA rank but only 2 consecutively, and thus the exception to the rule. | ||
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Keone
United States812 Posts
Zero is so good that he appeared twice on this power rank!!! | ||
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Ecrilon
501 Posts
and he's still ridiculously cute. Harem, find me some more pictures. because I could only find this picture of Zero. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
On August 12 2011 23:22 moopie wrote: That's true for all but H.O.T Forever, who was #1 Zerg for 3 months on the KeSPA rank but only 2 consecutively, and thus the exception to the rule. Actually TaewoO was a random player (or at least he didn't play Zerg exclusively), so H.O.T was the #1 Zerg consecutively too. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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Motivate
2860 Posts
also light to a lesser extent ^.^ | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 13 2011 10:53 Cpadolf wrote: Actually TaewoO was a random player (or at least he didn't play Zerg exclusively), so H.O.T was the #1 Zerg consecutively too. He wasn't random, but he did play T and Z (with a bit of P). However, KeSPA's official records recognize his Z reign as #1 Zerg for 3 months. Since KeSPA is the head authority of the KeSPA rank and they state that H.O.T's rule was not consecutive, that's good enough for me. | ||
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InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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bentnormal
112 Posts
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
On August 13 2011 17:07 InFdude wrote: Well I am enraged at how things have gone.I can't beleave how 1 badly designed match up has cost Jaedong so many titles.And now all these other amaturish, compared to Jaedongs ZvT, zergs will just feed Flash another title without any resistance. My last hope for a good OSL is Jangbi.After that i won't even waste my time watching another boring roflstomp. Jaedong owes so much of his career to ZvZ. It may have been the best matchup anybody's ever had. (Seriously, what compares? oov vs. Z? Flash vs. T? Even they didn't have 80%+ sustained for as long as Jaedong did.) It used to be an autowin, and a free ride into the next round of the tournament. You can't blame all of JD's recent problems on ZvZ without acknowledging how much of an advantage it has been for most of his career. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On August 13 2011 17:50 SimonB wrote: Jaedong owes so much of his career to ZvZ. It may have been the best matchup anybody's ever had. (Seriously, what compares? oov vs. Z? Flash vs. T? Even they didn't have 80%+ sustained for as long as Jaedong did.) It used to be an autowin, and a free ride into the next round of the tournament. You can't blame all of JD's recent problems on ZvZ without acknowledging how much of an advantage it has been for most of his career. The mu is still the hardest (and least fair) in the game I think - Stork said so in an interview - regardless of how dominant Jaedong once was in it. It's not like he owes something to the nature of the mu, he was just so much better than all the other zergs ever had been. @InFdude: You'll just have to learn to enjoy how freaking good Flash is, even if it looks easy for him that doesn't mean that it isn't very impressive. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On August 13 2011 11:48 moopie wrote: He wasn't random, but he did play T and Z (with a bit of P). However, KeSPA's official records recognize his Z reign as #1 Zerg for 3 months. Since KeSPA is the head authority of the KeSPA rank and they state that H.O.T's rule was not consecutive, that's good enough for me. Back then most players would use random whenever the map was unsuitable for their main race and would sometimes use random (or race pick) when they had a concern over how a particular match might play out. If you look through records carefully you'll see that other top names of their races did this as well. In fact I remember at one point looking on pgr21.com and seeing that TheMarine was one of the top 10 rated Protoss players ever. This was like in 2002. Even Boxer would occasionally play races other than Terran (see his Game-Q series with IntoTheRain). Eventually KeSPA forced certain rules about race selection. In the old days you would just show up and pick whatever race you wanted but now you cannot do that anymore -- your opponent is given a chance to prepare knowing what race you will come out as. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 13 2011 22:21 Mortality wrote: Back then most players would use random whenever the map was unsuitable for their main race and would sometimes use random (or race pick) when they had a concern over how a particular match might play out. If you look through records carefully you'll see that other top names of their races did this as well. In fact I remember at one point looking on pgr21.com and seeing that TheMarine was one of the top 10 rated Protoss players ever. This was like in 2002. Even Boxer would occasionally play races other than Terran (see his Game-Q series with IntoTheRain). Eventually KeSPA forced certain rules about race selection. In the old days you would just show up and pick whatever race you wanted but now you cannot do that anymore -- your opponent is given a chance to prepare knowing what race you will come out as. I'm aware of that, I even reported TLPD errors of missing player races (for randoms/race-switchers) a few weeks ago when I ran my own TLPD scripts (here). I wasn't disputing multiple races being used. If you check the nested discussion you quoted you'll see we were discussing whether or not H.O.T's reign was consecutive, and according to KeSPA's records it was not. Not sure what point you're trying to make. | ||
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Svennedude
Belgium86 Posts
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