EPTanother thing guys , nobody of you is chocked to not see horang2 in PR ? or at least in CNBC ?
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vaMpYr
France119 Posts
another thing guys , nobody of you is chocked to not see horang2 in PR ? or at least in CNBC ? | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 02 2011 06:59 vaMpYr wrote: it not "suddenly " counts if he lose the next one . he has done some exceptional PL games , and that's count . so for this month , he should be 1# . but he has to make another exceptional july PL month to stay 1# , otherwise he fall down . but for june , he is 1# . this is maybe the second time for 2 years that bisu should be 1# in PR because of his leagues fails . but this month is very special for him , thats all im saying . sorry for the "alien" word ^^ but i like it :p . but anyway , i realize once again we really dont have the same point of view for PR . thats why i dont post on TL , i know no one will agree with me ^^ . there is nobody who will think that jangbi deserve maybe to be higher than flash and JD ( as the biggest fan of JD on earth , dont forget it ) . jangbi reach a same or better level of SC than flash and jaedong for me this month . bisu reach higher . im a visionary , im a complete fool . you choose =) ( joke ) . Looking at some of your older posts, I wouldn't be surprised if you're GG.Nore. Every single one I looked at was hating on Flash and saying how much better Jaedong and Bisu are. | ||
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tedster
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VGhost
United States3616 Posts
Three things that make it work. First, when you only dominate half the scene, it just doesn't really count as dominance. This is what Sea's always struggled with and what Bisu is facing now, and is the heart of my comparison. Who's going to be #1 in tennis, the player winning half the titles and randomly losing to underdogs early in tournaments, or the player winning the other half of the tournaments and placing #2 the rest of the time? Second, Bisu is much much better than Sea right now. Bisu gets onto the PR, in a high spot, regularly just because he is so very, very good when he is good, which he almost always is. Third, the PR almost always, regardless of writer, grants a lot more leeway to players with titles than players without. Bisu holds a Golden Badge, even if he won it years ago when everybody was adjusting to his then-"new" playstyle. So in that way it is a faulty analogy, because Bisu has had success Sea hasn't. tl;dr: Come on Bisu win another Starleague already so you don't keep looking like a one-dimensional player. At least make a semi-final or something. | ||
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vaMpYr
France119 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:38 GolemMadness wrote: Looking at some of your older posts, I wouldn't be surprised if you're GG.Nore. Every single one I looked at was hating on Flash and saying how much better Jaedong and Bisu are. mm sorry im not . i almost never post on TL , i said . i never act like the flash haters of TL . im not a child . its true that i hate flash , but i never disagree with his supremacy . i just think he is really too overrated compare to some others S class , especially jaedong . but i know he is the best . | ||
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vaMpYr
France119 Posts
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On July 02 2011 05:51 vaMpYr wrote: ok , that's what i was thinking , we really dont have the same idea in PR . Stop right here. PR isn't here to satisfy your particular desires for what PR should be. PR is what it is. Each writer has some control over exactly how he writes it, but they all follow the same precedent set by previous writers. League results matter. They always have. They always will. Because you can't call someone "hot" or "powerful" (which is what this rank is all about) if they aren't performing in individual leagues. In a month when Bisu drops from OSL, he is going to be penalized. All the players listed above Bisu (not counting Yellow, who doesn't really count) have a semifinal result or better from the league that ended this month AND qualified for OSL (Ro16) AND are their team's top PL performer. Ergo they are hotter. Bisu's #4 rank (again, not counting Yellow) rather than a #1 or #2 result is due to his own failures. There is no conspiracy. We are not going to rape the PR like you want us to just to make Bisu stand out. For Jaedong one actually can make a case, but the fact remains that while JD was stronger at the end of the month, the more important results occurred at the end of last month/beginning of this one. Which is exactly when Jaedong chose to drop the ball. Ergo Flash is #1 when JD is #2. Case closed. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:11 Coulthard wrote: godspeed Yellow for ever 2nd Happy birthday! | ||
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Yodo
Russian Federation327 Posts
the one who reach the highest level of SC during june is clearly bisu At first I was thought, lol, - nice irony here, but it seems like you were serious about it. You understanding of high level play is just totally wrong and bisued. Winning the champion title - is high level play, no doubt (especially in 3-0 fashion). Major fail in prelims (in Bo3, vs weak opponent, in Bisu's best MU) - barely can't be called a satisfactory result. So, yes PR totally respects the idea of high level play goes top. | ||
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vaMpYr
France119 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:21 Mortality wrote: Stop right here. PR isn't here to satisfy your particular desires for what PR should be. PR is what it is. Each writer has some control over exactly how he writes it, but they all follow the same precedent set by previous writers. League results matter. They always have. They always will. Because you can't call someone "hot" or "powerful" (which is what this rank is all about) if they aren't performing in individual leagues. In a month when Bisu drops from OSL, he is going to be penalized. All the players listed above Bisu (not counting Yellow, who doesn't really count) have a semifinal result or better from the league that ended this month AND qualified for OSL (Ro16) AND are their team's top PL performer. Ergo they are hotter. Bisu's #4 rank (again, not counting Yellow) rather than a #1 or #2 result is due to his own failures. There is no conspiracy. We are not going to rape the PR like you want us to just to make Bisu stand out. For Jaedong one actually can make a case, but the fact remains that while JD was stronger at the end of the month, the more important results occurred at the end of last month/beginning of this one. Which is exactly when Jaedong chose to drop the ball. Ergo Flash is #1 when JD is #2. Case closed. calm down . i love you . i never said leagues does not matter . they do . and i do . i think you misinterpret my ideas . i just said that a hudge PL dominance and exceptional monster games can make up for an MSL/OSL title . and i never wanted to see jaedong 1# this month . read my posts slower please . and im not here to ask people to satisfy my desire to what PR should be in my opinion . im here to expose my point of view and discuss about PR . nothing more . | ||
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vaMpYr
France119 Posts
On July 02 2011 09:02 Yodo wrote: At first I was thought, lol, - nice irony here, but it seems like you were serious about it. You understanding of high level play is just totally wrong and bisued. Winning the champion title - is high level play, no doubt (especially in 3-0 fashion). Major fail in prelims (in Bo3, vs weak opponent, in Bisu's best MU) - barely can't be called a satisfactory result. So, yes PR totally respects the idea of high level play goes top. no , in your idea , PR respects results , nothing more . | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On July 02 2011 06:36 Muirhead wrote: All of these people with doubts on Bisu's BOX ability... Were any of you around when he was winning everything -_-;; Bisu's got some weird psychological issues. He's hanging around for years, unlike the other bonjwas who fell off completely much more quickly. I think it's because his mechanics are godly, and starcraft finally reached the point that people with godly mechanics aren't being replaced by better trained kids with even godlier mechanics. Something close to physical limits are finally being reached by people like Bisu/Jaedong/Flash. Some day if he gets his head in the right place, a little training time and a little luck, I have no doubt he can do well again. The main problem with Bisu is that he "loses" interests in the game every now and then. Unless he can overcome this, he'll just be another Sea. | ||
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DorF
Sweden961 Posts
 The bit about Yellow almost brought a tear to my eye and I wish him the best, farewell Storm Zerg you will always have a place in my heart <3 Now that's some nerdlove right there | ||
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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
You will always be my favorite player of all time. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19307 Posts
Addressing SL: Clearly Bisu should be doing better in the individuals. But he did have his runs when he won 3 msl's. Something not many have accomplished. We all have to understand Bisu can't be based on the SL records any more. Its not something he wins. Sadly. But he has accomplished a lot this season. Taking all of his achievements this season combined. He's due to be at the top. | ||
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VGhost
United States3616 Posts
Re. Horang2. TigerToss has had several solid months in a row, but too many people just jumped over him at the end of the month, together with a couple bad losses. He's only 5-2 on the month in Proleague, with losses to Jangbi (who demolished him) and HoeJJa (which I didn't see). His only marginally impressive win is over Killer, while he also dropped out of the OSL prelims in PvP, historically far and away his best matchup. HoeJJa (#10) is the only one who looks less impressive on paper - but right now (odd as it sounds) Horang2 is way less important to his team, so environment helps HoeJJa out there. Still, CNBC wouldn't have been a bad call, but you can't always give CNBC to every 1-league player who had a good Proleague month. (And I say all this as a huge Horang2 fan - go back two months and half my PR posts were complaining about leaving him off.) | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
What I find ironic is that due to PR-writers always continuously giving Bisu "the benefit of the doubt" has reached this point. Flash was always in the middle somewhere when he kept failing in the SLs. Sea, Leta, effort(pre-OSL win), and many other PL monsters sometimes don't even get ranked when the SLs roll around. But since Bisu always hang around the top 5 regardless of him getting beat up in the prelims or the Ro32s(since MSL is REALLY hard to go back to the prelims), him being a little "extra good in the PL" makes him deserve #1 or #2. This logic is actually consistent with where Bisu has generally placed in the past. So since Bisu's always gotten more "benefit of the doubt" than others, why stop now? Why not use his 3 MSL wins and pretend he's #1 simply because he's in this year's MST too? If anything, not putting Bisu #1 or #2 makes it seem like you're not treating him special. But Bisu is special. Have you taken a look at him? His looks alone is worth 2 spots on the PR. Add 2 more spots for being the only player who knows PvZ, and he's obviously #1. | ||
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Motivate
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