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Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
July 15 2011 07:55 GMT
#401
You mean MSL (MST).

Well, I'm guessing Flamewheel will wait until after PL finals (August 6th, irrc). So unless SKT1 dominates and gets a quick 4-0 or something we'll probably see him play there, possible twice.

If he shows power in his MST games and PL game(s) then, yes, he will likely get a mid spot. The top spots will be to Flash, JD, Hydra. ZerO will probably also get an advantage over Bisu thanks to more playoff games, even though punishing Bisu for helping SKT1 get #1 seems odd.

But the month is still early. OSL Ro16 and MST still have to be decided. But if he 2-0s and does decent in PL finals I see no reason he can't be ~5-7.
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ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 09:46:49
July 15 2011 09:45 GMT
#402
On July 15 2011 16:55 Crisium wrote:
You mean MSL (MST).

Well, I'm guessing Flamewheel will wait until after PL finals (August 6th, irrc). So unless SKT1 dominates and gets a quick 4-0 or something we'll probably see him play there, possible twice.

If he shows power in his MST games and PL game(s) then, yes, he will likely get a mid spot. The top spots will be to Flash, JD, Hydra. ZerO will probably also get an advantage over Bisu thanks to more playoff games, even though punishing Bisu for helping SKT1 get #1 seems odd.

But the month is still early. OSL Ro16 and MST still have to be decided. But if he 2-0s and does decent in PL finals I see no reason he can't be ~5-7.


Im not happy with that >.<

2-0 the MST (not OSL, my bad xD) and carrying your team to SPL's championship (IF, since you assumed that), all the while being the definite Ace and setting a few awesome records only get you number 5-7?.. What have scrubs (pardon the word, i dont like him :p) like Hydra done to warrant a higher spot than that? =/ (and no, playing Cyclops-style doesnt mean anything in my eyes :3)
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8079 Posts
July 15 2011 10:34 GMT
#403
I feel like Bisu beating his MST group 2-0 in dominating fashion + carrying his team to the gold (assuming SKT wins and Bisu plays) should be alot more than a mid spot.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
July 15 2011 13:00 GMT
#404
On July 15 2011 19:34 Vasoline73 wrote:
I feel like Bisu beating his MST group 2-0 in dominating fashion + carrying his team to the gold (assuming SKT wins and Bisu plays) should be alot more than a mid spot.

A lingering voice in the back of my head tells me this is probably not happening
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
July 15 2011 13:03 GMT
#405
On July 15 2011 22:00 swanized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 19:34 Vasoline73 wrote:
I feel like Bisu beating his MST group 2-0 in dominating fashion + carrying his team to the gold (assuming SKT wins and Bisu plays) should be alot more than a mid spot.

A lingering voice in the back of my head tells me this is probably not happening


It probably will since he's not in the group of death anymore, and it shouldn't conflict with SPL finals quite yet.
darkness overpowering
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 15 2011 13:25 GMT
#406
Have you seen Bisu his group?

If he doesn't make it out of the MST then its pathetic imo.
WriterXiao8~~
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 13:27:38
July 15 2011 13:26 GMT
#407
First of all, if PL playoffs end August 6 it may make sense for Flamewheel to wait. I know that a number of people here are Nazis about monthly delivery of ranking, SCBW progaming is NOT structured on a monthly schedule.

Second, it will depend a lot on HOW Bisu plays as opposed to just his stats alone.

Third, Bisu has proven himself enough in recent history that if he plays well he will be on the ranking.



I see no circumstances AT ALL in which Bisu would drop below #5 if he 2-0's his MST group convincingly and carries his team to gold. Most likely such results would move him up to top 3. Possibly all the way to the top depending on exactly how things happen. Too many variables to say exactly. A lot will depend on Flash/JD/Hydra/Zero. Those 4 and Bisu are the only players I see in contention of a top 5 spot right if the ranking were made right now.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
July 15 2011 13:35 GMT
#408
On July 13 2011 20:36 agarangu wrote:
Fuck yeah Flash! Looks like the treatment is working pretty well.


Well, that and Hydra is still intimidated by Flash, so he doesn't play at his best. Double whammy when you play the greatest ZvTer currently.
WWJDD??
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
July 15 2011 13:41 GMT
#409
And now JD is on a 10 win-streak.
WWJDD??
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 13:56:59
July 15 2011 13:52 GMT
#410
On July 15 2011 22:25 Kipsate wrote:
Have you seen Bisu his group?

If he doesn't make it out of the MST then its pathetic imo.

yeah they're all just as bad as hyvaa

oh wait...

(joking aside it would be pretty laughable if bisu didn't make it)

On July 15 2011 22:35 WWJDD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 20:36 agarangu wrote:
Fuck yeah Flash! Looks like the treatment is working pretty well.


Well, that and Hydra is still intimidated by Flash, so he doesn't play at his best. Double whammy when you play the greatest ZvTer currently.

I would say Jaedong and zero (and maybe soulkey) are clearly better at ZvT then hydra...
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
July 15 2011 14:23 GMT
#411
JD and Zero are better at ZvT. At ZvP it's a little hard to tell. At ZvZ I'm tempted to say JD or Hydra, but Zero has also been good there lately.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 16:05:57
July 15 2011 14:43 GMT
#412
On July 15 2011 23:23 Mortality wrote:
JD and Zero are better at ZvT. At ZvP it's a little hard to tell. At ZvZ I'm tempted to say JD or Hydra, but Zero has also been good there lately.

yeah I would favor Jaedong and Hydra in a ZvZ against zero in spite of his current form

it's a pretty cool battle for #1 zerg though
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 15:38:59
July 15 2011 15:38 GMT
#413
Ya.

Both Zero and JD are on 10 game winning streaks and Hydra is 8-2, and all three of them were in the MSL semi-finals last season. XD JD is still JD, so the throne still belongs to him, but the competition for the being the top zerg is really, really tough right now. And Effort is coming back soon as well. Things are looking really good for the swarm.

I have a strong feeling that we're gonna see a lot of Flash vs Zerg at the later stages of the Starleagues.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
July 15 2011 18:26 GMT
#414
bisu should be considered for #3 or even #2 if he makes MSL 2-0 (beating baby or even dear might not be so trivial...) and contributes strongly in PL finals (especially if he _beats_ hydra). and he actually does have a history of making it out of MST at least... though his MSL/OSL group stage results are much more amusing, especially when he went out 0-2 to all-zerg groups that he created multiple times XD
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swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
July 15 2011 19:18 GMT
#415
On July 16 2011 03:26 ]343[ wrote:
bisu should be considered for #3 or even #2 if he makes MSL 2-0 (beating baby or even dear might not be so trivial...) and contributes strongly in PL finals (especially if he _beats_hydra zero). and he actually does have a history of making it out of MST at least... though his MSL/OSL group stage results are much more amusing, especially when he went out 0-2 to all-zerg groups that he created multiple times XD

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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
July 15 2011 21:25 GMT
#416
Beating Hydra or Zero would be a major boon for Bisu in terms of PR. Both of them historically go about 50/50 against him and both of them have achieved convincing wins against him in the not-too--distant past.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
July 15 2011 23:11 GMT
#417
On July 15 2011 22:26 Mortality wrote:
First of all, if PL playoffs end August 6 it may make sense for Flamewheel to wait. I know that a number of people here are Nazis about monthly delivery of ranking, SCBW progaming is NOT structured on a monthly schedule.

Second, it will depend a lot on HOW Bisu plays as opposed to just his stats alone.

Third, Bisu has proven himself enough in recent history that if he plays well he will be on the ranking.



I see no circumstances AT ALL in which Bisu would drop below #5 if he 2-0's his MST group convincingly and carries his team to gold. Most likely such results would move him up to top 3. Possibly all the way to the top depending on exactly how things happen. Too many variables to say exactly. A lot will depend on Flash/JD/Hydra/Zero. Those 4 and Bisu are the only players I see in contention of a top 5 spot right if the ranking were made right now.


I don't think it's fair to wait...the PL finals should be counted in the following month's rankings..

Otherwise it sets a bad precedent for finals in the future where we may end up waiting 'till mid/late month just to see the results before making a judgement on how good a player may be.

Lets keep it on time and be a proper representation of how the players faired in the previous month..
Firebats, the natural enemy of octozerg
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
July 15 2011 23:18 GMT
#418
On July 16 2011 08:11 aupstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 22:26 Mortality wrote:
First of all, if PL playoffs end August 6 it may make sense for Flamewheel to wait. I know that a number of people here are Nazis about monthly delivery of ranking, SCBW progaming is NOT structured on a monthly schedule.

Second, it will depend a lot on HOW Bisu plays as opposed to just his stats alone.

Third, Bisu has proven himself enough in recent history that if he plays well he will be on the ranking.



I see no circumstances AT ALL in which Bisu would drop below #5 if he 2-0's his MST group convincingly and carries his team to gold. Most likely such results would move him up to top 3. Possibly all the way to the top depending on exactly how things happen. Too many variables to say exactly. A lot will depend on Flash/JD/Hydra/Zero. Those 4 and Bisu are the only players I see in contention of a top 5 spot right if the ranking were made right now.


I don't think it's fair to wait...the PL finals should be counted in the following month's rankings..

Otherwise it sets a bad precedent for finals in the future where we may end up waiting 'till mid/late month just to see the results before making a judgement on how good a player may be.

Lets keep it on time and be a proper representation of how the players faired in the previous month..


Um, it wouldn't be the first time a PR writer waits for an important series to end. There is a difference between waiting for two weeks and 6 days, which brings on my next point ....

There has never been a specific date PR is released. It has been different for many different writers. Furthermore, this isn't a monthly ranking, but a ranking that comes out every month. Flamewheel considers past performances to help make his ranking. If an important series is going to determine two spots (like a possible CJ vs SK finals; Hydra vs Bisu) it simply makes sense to wait for that series if it has an effect on the top spot.
aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 00:05:01
July 16 2011 00:04 GMT
#419
On July 16 2011 08:18 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 08:11 aupstar wrote:
On July 15 2011 22:26 Mortality wrote:
First of all, if PL playoffs end August 6 it may make sense for Flamewheel to wait. I know that a number of people here are Nazis about monthly delivery of ranking, SCBW progaming is NOT structured on a monthly schedule.

Second, it will depend a lot on HOW Bisu plays as opposed to just his stats alone.

Third, Bisu has proven himself enough in recent history that if he plays well he will be on the ranking.



I see no circumstances AT ALL in which Bisu would drop below #5 if he 2-0's his MST group convincingly and carries his team to gold. Most likely such results would move him up to top 3. Possibly all the way to the top depending on exactly how things happen. Too many variables to say exactly. A lot will depend on Flash/JD/Hydra/Zero. Those 4 and Bisu are the only players I see in contention of a top 5 spot right if the ranking were made right now.


I don't think it's fair to wait...the PL finals should be counted in the following month's rankings..

Otherwise it sets a bad precedent for finals in the future where we may end up waiting 'till mid/late month just to see the results before making a judgement on how good a player may be.

Lets keep it on time and be a proper representation of how the players faired in the previous month..


Um, it wouldn't be the first time a PR writer waits for an important series to end. There is a difference between waiting for two weeks and 6 days, which brings on my next point ....

There has never been a specific date PR is released. It has been different for many different writers. Furthermore, this isn't a monthly ranking, but a ranking that comes out every month. Flamewheel considers past performances to help make his ranking. If an important series is going to determine two spots (like a possible CJ vs SK finals; Hydra vs Bisu) it simply makes sense to wait for that series if it has an effect on the top spot.


Fair point but it would make the next month's ranking pretty boring no? lol

I've always considered the PR as more of a monthly ranking but I guess it's up to the writer and how much free time he has to determine what days to count and what results to consider for the rank. Though I must say, it's rather inconsistent to consider 30 days for the rank one month and then 23 days the next given all the games that are/aren't being considered in those 7 days.

It really makes you think whether you can compare a player on the PR from one month to the next.
Firebats, the natural enemy of octozerg
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
July 16 2011 02:53 GMT
#420
On July 16 2011 09:04 aupstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 08:18 setzer wrote:
On July 16 2011 08:11 aupstar wrote:
On July 15 2011 22:26 Mortality wrote:
First of all, if PL playoffs end August 6 it may make sense for Flamewheel to wait. I know that a number of people here are Nazis about monthly delivery of ranking, SCBW progaming is NOT structured on a monthly schedule.

Second, it will depend a lot on HOW Bisu plays as opposed to just his stats alone.

Third, Bisu has proven himself enough in recent history that if he plays well he will be on the ranking.



I see no circumstances AT ALL in which Bisu would drop below #5 if he 2-0's his MST group convincingly and carries his team to gold. Most likely such results would move him up to top 3. Possibly all the way to the top depending on exactly how things happen. Too many variables to say exactly. A lot will depend on Flash/JD/Hydra/Zero. Those 4 and Bisu are the only players I see in contention of a top 5 spot right if the ranking were made right now.


I don't think it's fair to wait...the PL finals should be counted in the following month's rankings..

Otherwise it sets a bad precedent for finals in the future where we may end up waiting 'till mid/late month just to see the results before making a judgement on how good a player may be.

Lets keep it on time and be a proper representation of how the players faired in the previous month..


Um, it wouldn't be the first time a PR writer waits for an important series to end. There is a difference between waiting for two weeks and 6 days, which brings on my next point ....

There has never been a specific date PR is released. It has been different for many different writers. Furthermore, this isn't a monthly ranking, but a ranking that comes out every month. Flamewheel considers past performances to help make his ranking. If an important series is going to determine two spots (like a possible CJ vs SK finals; Hydra vs Bisu) it simply makes sense to wait for that series if it has an effect on the top spot.


Fair point but it would make the next month's ranking pretty boring no? lol

I've always considered the PR as more of a monthly ranking but I guess it's up to the writer and how much free time he has to determine what days to count and what results to consider for the rank. Though I must say, it's rather inconsistent to consider 30 days for the rank one month and then 23 days the next given all the games that are/aren't being considered in those 7 days.

It really makes you think whether you can compare a player on the PR from one month to the next.


pretty sure this rank was made after the MSL finals, for example. i agree that next month's rank will be boring and crappy other than OSL, but such is life.
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