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You mean MSL (MST).
Well, I'm guessing Flamewheel will wait until after PL finals (August 6th, irrc). So unless SKT1 dominates and gets a quick 4-0 or something we'll probably see him play there, possible twice.
If he shows power in his MST games and PL game(s) then, yes, he will likely get a mid spot. The top spots will be to Flash, JD, Hydra. ZerO will probably also get an advantage over Bisu thanks to more playoff games, even though punishing Bisu for helping SKT1 get #1 seems odd.
But the month is still early. OSL Ro16 and MST still have to be decided. But if he 2-0s and does decent in PL finals I see no reason he can't be ~5-7.
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On July 15 2011 16:55 Crisium wrote:
You mean MSL (MST).
Well, I'm guessing Flamewheel will wait until after PL finals (August 6th, irrc). So unless SKT1 dominates and gets a quick 4-0 or something we'll probably see him play there, possible twice.
If he shows power in his MST games and PL game(s) then, yes, he will likely get a mid spot. The top spots will be to Flash, JD, Hydra. ZerO will probably also get an advantage over Bisu thanks to more playoff games, even though punishing Bisu for helping SKT1 get #1 seems odd.
But the month is still early. OSL Ro16 and MST still have to be decided. But if he 2-0s and does decent in PL finals I see no reason he can't be ~5-7.
Im not happy with that >.<
2-0 the MST (not OSL, my bad xD) and carrying your team to SPL's championship (IF, since you assumed that), all the while being the definite Ace and setting a few awesome records only get you number 5-7?.. What have scrubs (pardon the word, i dont like him :p) like Hydra done to warrant a higher spot than that? =/ (and no, playing Cyclops-style doesnt mean anything in my eyes :3)
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I feel like Bisu beating his MST group 2-0 in dominating fashion + carrying his team to the gold (assuming SKT wins and Bisu plays) should be alot more than a mid spot.
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Canada2480 Posts
On July 15 2011 19:34 Vasoline73 wrote:
I feel like Bisu beating his MST group 2-0 in dominating fashion + carrying his team to the gold (assuming SKT wins and Bisu plays) should be alot more than a mid spot.
A lingering voice in the back of my head tells me this is probably not happening
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On July 15 2011 22:00 swanized wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 19:34 Vasoline73 wrote:
I feel like Bisu beating his MST group 2-0 in dominating fashion + carrying his team to the gold (assuming SKT wins and Bisu plays) should be alot more than a mid spot. A lingering voice in the back of my head tells me this is probably not happening
It probably will since he's not in the group of death anymore, and it shouldn't conflict with SPL finals quite yet.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Have you seen Bisu his group?
If he doesn't make it out of the MST then its pathetic imo.
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First of all, if PL playoffs end August 6 it may make sense for Flamewheel to wait. I know that a number of people here are Nazis about monthly delivery of ranking, SCBW progaming is NOT structured on a monthly schedule.
Second, it will depend a lot on HOW Bisu plays as opposed to just his stats alone.
Third, Bisu has proven himself enough in recent history that if he plays well he will be on the ranking.
I see no circumstances AT ALL in which Bisu would drop below #5 if he 2-0's his MST group convincingly and carries his team to gold. Most likely such results would move him up to top 3. Possibly all the way to the top depending on exactly how things happen. Too many variables to say exactly. A lot will depend on Flash/JD/Hydra/Zero. Those 4 and Bisu are the only players I see in contention of a top 5 spot right if the ranking were made right now.
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On July 13 2011 20:36 agarangu wrote:
Fuck yeah Flash! Looks like the treatment is working pretty well.
Well, that and Hydra is still intimidated by Flash, so he doesn't play at his best. Double whammy when you play the greatest ZvTer currently.
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And now JD is on a 10 win-streak.
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On July 15 2011 22:25 Kipsate wrote:
Have you seen Bisu his group?
If he doesn't make it out of the MST then its pathetic imo.
yeah they're all just as bad as hyvaa
oh wait...
(joking aside it would be pretty laughable if bisu didn't make it)
On July 15 2011 22:35 WWJDD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 20:36 agarangu wrote:
Fuck yeah Flash! Looks like the treatment is working pretty well. Well, that and Hydra is still intimidated by Flash, so he doesn't play at his best. Double whammy when you play the greatest ZvTer currently.
I would say Jaedong and zero (and maybe soulkey) are clearly better at ZvT then hydra...
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JD and Zero are better at ZvT. At ZvP it's a little hard to tell. At ZvZ I'm tempted to say JD or Hydra, but Zero has also been good there lately.
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On July 15 2011 23:23 Mortality wrote:
JD and Zero are better at ZvT. At ZvP it's a little hard to tell. At ZvZ I'm tempted to say JD or Hydra, but Zero has also been good there lately.
yeah I would favor Jaedong and Hydra in a ZvZ against zero in spite of his current form
it's a pretty cool battle for #1 zerg though
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Ya.
Both Zero and JD are on 10 game winning streaks and Hydra is 8-2, and all three of them were in the MSL semi-finals last season. XD JD is still JD, so the throne still belongs to him, but the competition for the being the top zerg is really, really tough right now. And Effort is coming back soon as well.  Things are looking really good for the swarm.
I have a strong feeling that we're gonna see a lot of Flash vs Zerg at the later stages of the Starleagues.
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United States10328 Posts
bisu should be considered for #3 or even #2 if he makes MSL 2-0 (beating baby or even dear might not be so trivial...) and contributes strongly in PL finals (especially if he _beats_ hydra). and he actually does have a history of making it out of MST at least... though his MSL/OSL group stage results are much more amusing, especially when he went out 0-2 to all-zerg groups that he created multiple times XD
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On July 16 2011 03:26 ]343[ wrote:
bisu should be considered for #3 or even #2 if he makes MSL 2-0 (beating baby or even dear might not be so trivial...) and contributes strongly in PL finals (especially if he _beats_hydra zero). and he actually does have a history of making it out of MST at least... though his MSL/OSL group stage results are much more amusing, especially when he went out 0-2 to all-zerg groups that he created multiple times XD
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Beating Hydra or Zero would be a major boon for Bisu in terms of PR. Both of them historically go about 50/50 against him and both of them have achieved convincing wins against him in the not-too--distant past.
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On July 15 2011 22:26 Mortality wrote:
First of all, if PL playoffs end August 6 it may make sense for Flamewheel to wait. I know that a number of people here are Nazis about monthly delivery of ranking, SCBW progaming is NOT structured on a monthly schedule.
Second, it will depend a lot on HOW Bisu plays as opposed to just his stats alone.
Third, Bisu has proven himself enough in recent history that if he plays well he will be on the ranking.
I see no circumstances AT ALL in which Bisu would drop below #5 if he 2-0's his MST group convincingly and carries his team to gold. Most likely such results would move him up to top 3. Possibly all the way to the top depending on exactly how things happen. Too many variables to say exactly. A lot will depend on Flash/JD/Hydra/Zero. Those 4 and Bisu are the only players I see in contention of a top 5 spot right if the ranking were made right now.
I don't think it's fair to wait...the PL finals should be counted in the following month's rankings..
Otherwise it sets a bad precedent for finals in the future where we may end up waiting 'till mid/late month just to see the results before making a judgement on how good a player may be.
Lets keep it on time and be a proper representation of how the players faired in the previous month..
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On July 16 2011 08:11 aupstar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 22:26 Mortality wrote:
First of all, if PL playoffs end August 6 it may make sense for Flamewheel to wait. I know that a number of people here are Nazis about monthly delivery of ranking, SCBW progaming is NOT structured on a monthly schedule.
Second, it will depend a lot on HOW Bisu plays as opposed to just his stats alone.
Third, Bisu has proven himself enough in recent history that if he plays well he will be on the ranking.
I see no circumstances AT ALL in which Bisu would drop below #5 if he 2-0's his MST group convincingly and carries his team to gold. Most likely such results would move him up to top 3. Possibly all the way to the top depending on exactly how things happen. Too many variables to say exactly. A lot will depend on Flash/JD/Hydra/Zero. Those 4 and Bisu are the only players I see in contention of a top 5 spot right if the ranking were made right now. I don't think it's fair to wait...the PL finals should be counted in the following month's rankings.. Otherwise it sets a bad precedent for finals in the future where we may end up waiting 'till mid/late month just to see the results before making a judgement on how good a player may be. Lets keep it on time and be a proper representation of how the players faired in the previous month..
Um, it wouldn't be the first time a PR writer waits for an important series to end. There is a difference between waiting for two weeks and 6 days, which brings on my next point ....
There has never been a specific date PR is released. It has been different for many different writers. Furthermore, this isn't a monthly ranking, but a ranking that comes out every month. Flamewheel considers past performances to help make his ranking. If an important series is going to determine two spots (like a possible CJ vs SK finals; Hydra vs Bisu) it simply makes sense to wait for that series if it has an effect on the top spot.
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On July 16 2011 08:18 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 08:11 aupstar wrote:On July 15 2011 22:26 Mortality wrote:
First of all, if PL playoffs end August 6 it may make sense for Flamewheel to wait. I know that a number of people here are Nazis about monthly delivery of ranking, SCBW progaming is NOT structured on a monthly schedule.
Second, it will depend a lot on HOW Bisu plays as opposed to just his stats alone.
Third, Bisu has proven himself enough in recent history that if he plays well he will be on the ranking.
I see no circumstances AT ALL in which Bisu would drop below #5 if he 2-0's his MST group convincingly and carries his team to gold. Most likely such results would move him up to top 3. Possibly all the way to the top depending on exactly how things happen. Too many variables to say exactly. A lot will depend on Flash/JD/Hydra/Zero. Those 4 and Bisu are the only players I see in contention of a top 5 spot right if the ranking were made right now. I don't think it's fair to wait...the PL finals should be counted in the following month's rankings.. Otherwise it sets a bad precedent for finals in the future where we may end up waiting 'till mid/late month just to see the results before making a judgement on how good a player may be. Lets keep it on time and be a proper representation of how the players faired in the previous month.. Um, it wouldn't be the first time a PR writer waits for an important series to end. There is a difference between waiting for two weeks and 6 days, which brings on my next point .... There has never been a specific date PR is released. It has been different for many different writers. Furthermore, this isn't a monthly ranking, but a ranking that comes out every month. Flamewheel considers past performances to help make his ranking. If an important series is going to determine two spots (like a possible CJ vs SK finals; Hydra vs Bisu) it simply makes sense to wait for that series if it has an effect on the top spot.
Fair point but it would make the next month's ranking pretty boring no? lol
I've always considered the PR as more of a monthly ranking but I guess it's up to the writer and how much free time he has to determine what days to count and what results to consider for the rank. Though I must say, it's rather inconsistent to consider 30 days for the rank one month and then 23 days the next given all the games that are/aren't being considered in those 7 days.
It really makes you think whether you can compare a player on the PR from one month to the next.
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United States10328 Posts
On July 16 2011 09:04 aupstar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 08:18 setzer wrote:On July 16 2011 08:11 aupstar wrote:On July 15 2011 22:26 Mortality wrote:
First of all, if PL playoffs end August 6 it may make sense for Flamewheel to wait. I know that a number of people here are Nazis about monthly delivery of ranking, SCBW progaming is NOT structured on a monthly schedule.
Second, it will depend a lot on HOW Bisu plays as opposed to just his stats alone.
Third, Bisu has proven himself enough in recent history that if he plays well he will be on the ranking.
I see no circumstances AT ALL in which Bisu would drop below #5 if he 2-0's his MST group convincingly and carries his team to gold. Most likely such results would move him up to top 3. Possibly all the way to the top depending on exactly how things happen. Too many variables to say exactly. A lot will depend on Flash/JD/Hydra/Zero. Those 4 and Bisu are the only players I see in contention of a top 5 spot right if the ranking were made right now. I don't think it's fair to wait...the PL finals should be counted in the following month's rankings.. Otherwise it sets a bad precedent for finals in the future where we may end up waiting 'till mid/late month just to see the results before making a judgement on how good a player may be. Lets keep it on time and be a proper representation of how the players faired in the previous month.. Um, it wouldn't be the first time a PR writer waits for an important series to end. There is a difference between waiting for two weeks and 6 days, which brings on my next point .... There has never been a specific date PR is released. It has been different for many different writers. Furthermore, this isn't a monthly ranking, but a ranking that comes out every month. Flamewheel considers past performances to help make his ranking. If an important series is going to determine two spots (like a possible CJ vs SK finals; Hydra vs Bisu) it simply makes sense to wait for that series if it has an effect on the top spot. Fair point but it would make the next month's ranking pretty boring no? lol I've always considered the PR as more of a monthly ranking but I guess it's up to the writer and how much free time he has to determine what days to count and what results to consider for the rank. Though I must say, it's rather inconsistent to consider 30 days for the rank one month and then 23 days the next given all the games that are/aren't being considered in those 7 days. It really makes you think whether you can compare a player on the PR from one month to the next.
pretty sure this rank was made after the MSL finals, for example. i agree that next month's rank will be boring and crappy other than OSL, but such is life.
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