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Power Rank 07/01/2011 - Page 20
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4vvhiplash7
South Africa392 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
On July 13 2011 21:08 Holgerius wrote: Jangbi on the other hand... total collapse right now. 0-3 in the play-offs and 0-1 in OSL. I knew it. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Jangbi hype at the end of last month was ridiculous. But thinking now that he sucks because he got 0-3'd in playoffs and is 0-1 in OSL is another extreme. Twice he played Zero, who is amazing at ZvP (dare I say S-class?), my understanding is that Soulkey cheesed him, and for all that Calm has been in Clam mode for... pretty much a year now?... the thing about Calm is that he's a very strategic player who is good at preparing but is just not as sharp at fundamentals as other top Zergs, which is why he continues producing decent SL results even while sucking in PL. Soo I warned about, not necessarily to keep off the ranking, but not to jump too hard on that bandwagon. Soo doesn't "suck." He is a one match wonder. His ZvP is very strong. But that's it. That's all there is to Soo: ZvP. This is why people who just blindly throw at last month's stats and say "that's the PR right there" are delusional. The PR should always be taken in the context of results. I have always said this. People on the extreme end who want to ignore results entirely are missing the meaning of the word competition. But people who only consider the raw numbers without taking into account context I'm perfectly happy with Jangbi's spot last month. His results last month were not so great as to be worthy of more and his results so far this month have not invalidated such a high rank. Soo's rank maybe was too high, but I won't complain too much because I'm not totally against the idea of snipers making it on the ranking. The argument against Soo is that he hasn't accomplished enough in his position as a sniper to be worthy of such a huge bone. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
On July 13 2011 22:01 Mortality wrote: I have not seen any games now in more than a week, but I should say that there is some super reactionary thinking going on. Jangbi hype at the end of last month was ridiculous. But thinking now that he sucks because he got 0-3'd in playoffs and is 0-1 in OSL is another extreme. Twice he played Zero, who is amazing at ZvP (dare I say S-class?), my understanding is that Soulkey cheesed him, and for all that Calm has been in Clam mode for... pretty much a year now?... the thing about Calm is that he's a very strategic player who is good at preparing but is just not as sharp at fundamentals as other top Zergs, which is why he continues producing decent SL results even while sucking in PL. Soo I warned about, not necessarily to keep off the ranking, but not to jump too hard on that bandwagon. Soo doesn't "suck." He is a one match wonder. His ZvP is very strong. But that's it. That's all there is to Soo: ZvP. This is why people who just blindly throw at last month's stats and say "that's the PR right there" are delusional. The PR should always be taken in the context of results. I have always said this. People on the extreme end who want to ignore results entirely are missing the meaning of the word competition. But people who only consider the raw numbers without taking into account context I'm perfectly happy with Jangbi's spot last month. His results last month were not so great as to be worthy of more and his results so far this month have not invalidated such a high rank. Soo's rank maybe was too high, but I won't complain too much because I'm not totally against the idea of snipers making it on the ranking. The argument against Soo is that he hasn't accomplished enough in his position as a sniper to be worthy of such a huge bone. On June 18 2011 06:48 Elroi wrote: I have to question what we really know about how good pros are. In April when Jaedong was a lock for #1 on PR and people were discussing if his zvt was the best of all times he said himself that he was in the worst form of his life. Then he drops a couple of games - mostly in zvz - and people think he should drop out entirely. Then he wins a strong game again and people think he is very good.... Maybe we are just clueless lol. Sadly I think most of us understand very little of what is really going on when the pros are playing. Probably less than we think. This makes us prone to reactionary thinking. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
I think what it comes down to is either one of two things, or possibly a combination of both. One possibility is that posters are such short term thinkers that they've pretty much already forgotten what happened last week. Perhaps because they are more casual fans or perhaps because they are ADHD. And they assume everyone else is the same way and don't see the problem with what they are doing. The second possibility is a problem more endemic in western society. They read a handful of statements that jive with what they WANT to believe as true and that filtered version of "the news" becomes the basis of a belief (with all the conviction of a religious zealot) and instead of continuing to acquire data and reflect on possibility. No doubt a hundred people who hate my guts will accuse me of being like that too. To a degree everyone is guilty of this sometimes (not enough time to compile and analyze all data), but it's this superficiality in our society that causes us to spend 30 minuts on an hour long news program discussing where Barrack Obama likes to eat pizza instead of discussing the details of policy. I normally defend the ranking, sometimes even when I don't entirely agree. It's never going to be perfect anyway and I don't want to see it get changed to satisfy reactionary idiocy. I get accused of many things, being fanboy of player A in the spotlight or a hater of player B who is not in the spotlight and as heartless as a tax collector. I don't really care if I'm the enemy because I have an academic as well as personal interest -- or perhaps it would be more correct to say that a large part of my personal interest is academic. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On July 13 2011 22:01 Mortality wrote: Jangbi hype at the end of last month was ridiculous. But thinking now that he sucks because he got 0-3'd in playoffs and is 0-1 in OSL is another extreme. Twice he played Zero, who is amazing at ZvP (dare I say S-class?), my understanding is that Soulkey cheesed him double hydra den is not cheese | ||
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e_i_pi_1_0
933 Posts
I just read/scanned through this entire PR thread. The first 10 or so pages of comments made my head hurt. -_- Got easier to read at the end, at least. I do wonder how Jangbi is gonna be ranked after this month. 0-3 in playoffs is .... ehh.... but the losses were to ZerO and SK, so I dunno | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Yeah, see, he scouted that his opponent was a protoss in the pregame lobby and just responded reasonably to the information. Clearly too reactionary to be cheese! | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
 Poor Mortality. Victim of a forum wide conspiracy. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
I'm still praying that Stork 3-0s his group and returns in the PR. Dear gods of Broodwar, grant Stork his dino toss powers. Thank you. | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On July 14 2011 07:56 Crisium wrote: JangBi is a combined 0-5 this month in PL and OSL, true. But a Protoss going 0-5 against ZerO, Jaedong, Soulkey, and Calm is not shameful. He made several questionable errors in the games, but overall we still have to wait and see how he handles Baby and Killer. Though unless he pulls out some magic I'm not sure if he has a chance of retaining a spot on next month's ranking. I'm still praying that Stork 3-0s his group and returns in the PR. Dear gods of Broodwar, grant Stork his dino toss powers. Thank you. would also like to point out the he got hydra busted by calm and soulkey and that zero had an incredible drop cheese prepared | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On July 13 2011 22:01 Mortality wrote: Twice he played Zero, who is amazing at ZvP (dare I say S-class?) if Zero is not S class at ZvP then who is? Jaedong has not been doing as well as him for a few months now, Hydra is probably just as good but I don't really find him superior to zero | ||
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oldgregg
New Zealand1176 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On July 14 2011 07:56 Crisium wrote: JangBi is a combined 0-5 this month in PL and OSL, true. But a Protoss going 0-5 against ZerO, Jaedong, Soulkey, and Calm is not shameful. He made several questionable errors in the games, but overall we still have to wait and see how he handles Baby and Killer. Though unless he pulls out some magic I'm not sure if he has a chance of retaining a spot on next month's ranking. I'm still praying that Stork 3-0s his group and returns in the PR. Dear gods of Broodwar, grant Stork his dino toss powers. Thank you. Stork is like 3-0 since the return..... of his glasses. Jangbi did lose games, but he lost to some of the best ZvPers out there(excluding Clam, although his ZvP isnt terrible). On a more serious note, ZerO is wrecking, 10 win streak currently, however he failed to advance in individual leagues so :<. Bogus perhaps should get a spot too, He played pretty well and although he was knocked out of the OSL, it was by Jaedong and Flash and he is now playing as the most solid player on STX and is their definite ace player. | ||
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VGhost
United States3618 Posts
On July 15 2011 06:09 Kipsate wrote: On a more serious note, ZerO is wrecking, 10 win streak currently, however he failed to advance in individual leagues so :<. Not quite. ZerO dropped out of OSL prelims, but he's an MSL seed (and "defending" 2nd place) so he hasn't played yet and won't till August. Which is just a little different from failing to advance.  | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
For example, JangBi might feels somewhat more confident in doing good work and just felt a lazy during his practice games. ZerO sounded like a king with 10 winning streaks to ravaged everyone at his passing God (I mean TLers! lol), this feels so awesome! Another thing is that when looking at VODs of them playing. It feels like I am observing and feeling the heartbeat, the thoughts, the veins of the players go pumping in and out. I am sensing their emotions. Well it was a good day to congregate o brethren , good day to congregate..... | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
On July 15 2011 16:42 ffreakk wrote: Just curious, if (yes IF T_T) Bisu 2-0 his group in OSL where would you guys put him this month? Since those are the only games he will be playing Well its gonna be hard to place anyone really... since yah its kinda that slow time again. Also its MSL I'm sure he won't move down if he 2-0's... I think >.> | ||
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