And I don't understand this comment about setting a bad precedent. The precedent IS to wait. Deliberately waiting for a key event has occurred at least 20 times in the history of the ranking. lol
Depending on next month's schedule, waiting probably does make more sense anyway. As I have said, as others have said, the progaming leagues in BW do not run on a monthly schedule. One month is an entirely arbitrary amount of time, chosen based on whatever medieval Christian mumbo jumbo produced the gregorian calendar system, not based on anything related to BW in the slightest.
On July 15 2011 22:26 Mortality wrote: First of all, if PL playoffs end August 6 it may make sense for Flamewheel to wait. I know that a number of people here are Nazis about monthly delivery of ranking, SCBW progaming is NOT structured on a monthly schedule.
Second, it will depend a lot on HOW Bisu plays as opposed to just his stats alone.
Third, Bisu has proven himself enough in recent history that if he plays well he will be on the ranking.
I see no circumstances AT ALL in which Bisu would drop below #5 if he 2-0's his MST group convincingly and carries his team to gold. Most likely such results would move him up to top 3. Possibly all the way to the top depending on exactly how things happen. Too many variables to say exactly. A lot will depend on Flash/JD/Hydra/Zero. Those 4 and Bisu are the only players I see in contention of a top 5 spot right if the ranking were made right now.
I don't think it's fair to wait...the PL finals should be counted in the following month's rankings..
Otherwise it sets a bad precedent for finals in the future where we may end up waiting 'till mid/late month just to see the results before making a judgement on how good a player may be.
Lets keep it on time and be a proper representation of how the players faired in the previous month..
Um, it wouldn't be the first time a PR writer waits for an important series to end. There is a difference between waiting for two weeks and 6 days, which brings on my next point ....
There has never been a specific date PR is released. It has been different for many different writers. Furthermore, this isn't a monthly ranking, but a ranking that comes out every month. Flamewheel considers past performances to help make his ranking. If an important series is going to determine two spots (like a possible CJ vs SK finals; Hydra vs Bisu) it simply makes sense to wait for that series if it has an effect on the top spot.
Fair point but it would make the next month's ranking pretty boring no? lol
I've always considered the PR as more of a monthly ranking but I guess it's up to the writer and how much free time he has to determine what days to count and what results to consider for the rank. Though I must say, it's rather inconsistent to consider 30 days for the rank one month and then 23 days the next given all the games that are/aren't being considered in those 7 days.
It really makes you think whether you can compare a player on the PR from one month to the next.
pretty sure this rank was made after the MSL finals, for example. i agree that next month's rank will be boring and crappy other than OSL, but such is life.
This month's rank was a timely July 1st and it encompassed games that occurred in the previous month (i.e., June).
The MSL finals were played on the 11th of June..The writer did not wait until the 11th of the month to publish the previous PR rankings.
It's all good and well to include games well into a month, but then where do you draw the line exactly?
I still firmly believe that having a cutoff date for games to include in the PR allows for the drawing of fair comparisons from month to month.
When in life is anything ever fair? Why do you buy into such a myth?! Even if you set things for exactly 1 month, each month has a different number of games played.
Also, it was after SEMI-finals that the last ranking was released. And it made perfect sense to wait.
On July 16 2011 21:24 DarkMatter_ wrote: At this rate, I can see Jaedong and Zero taking the #1 and #2 spots.
Flash has only played one game in which he didn't look his normal brutal self imo (the game vs Shuttle). It is not enough to demote him quite yet, even though Jeadong should be a strong contender. We should keep in mind though that post season games, and espescially ace games are very difficult to win as consistantly as other matches. Yesterday Zero plyed very well, but things also turned out his way (not that I'm saying he was lucky).
On July 16 2011 21:24 DarkMatter_ wrote: At this rate, I can see Jaedong and Zero taking the #1 and #2 spots.
Jaedong isn't going to play any proleague games this month. In addition, he's in a 100% zvz group in the OSL.
Zero isn't even duel leaguing.
As long as flash advances in the OSL, I'd keep him at first. If he flops, the spot should be given to A. Jaedong, IF he advances in the OSL, or B. Zero, depending on how far he takes his team into the playoffs (if he does).
On July 16 2011 20:28 Mortality wrote: When in life is anything ever fair? Why do you buy into such a myth?! Even if you set things for exactly 1 month, each month has a different number of games played.
Also, it was after SEMI-finals that the last ranking was released. And it made perfect sense to wait.
Wow mortality...no need to get heated..
We're discussing something quite trivial in nature..
You do bring up an excellent point though, the games are unevenly distributed.
Though, I still don't see why you can't just wait a month for something to be considered in the next PR..
Anyway, seems a lot of you have similar opinions on the issue, so we'll just leave it at that.
In the end though I still think it's at the PR writers discretion what he/she decides to include.
Regardless, I look forward to reading it whenever it may come out next..
That argument would be correct if this were normal PL and not playoff. How Flash does in the PL playoffs matters a lot, especially in ace match scenarios against one of the chief rivals for rank 1.
So why is 2008 the cutoff point? Are you sure you're not cherry picking to warp statistics to prove a point?
well 2008 marks the start of the modern era I believe (with savior's fall and Jaedong/Flash starting to dominate the scene and bringing many innovations to the game)
On July 17 2011 07:34 swanized wrote:well 2008 marks the start of the modern era I believe (with savior's fall and Jaedong/Flash starting to dominate the scene and bring many innovations to the game)
Jaedong became #1 Zerg in KeSPA on January 2008 and has been ever since then (43 months), so I suppose that works.
On July 17 2011 07:34 swanized wrote:well 2008 marks the start of the modern era I believe (with savior's fall and Jaedong/Flash starting to dominate the scene and bring many innovations to the game)
Jaedong became #1 Zerg in KeSPA on January 2008 and has been ever since then (43 months), so I suppose that works.
did hydra not usurp him for like a month recently?
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