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Muirhead
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States556 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 05:31:55
July 17 2011 05:31 GMT
#441
On July 17 2011 07:34 swanized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 03:19 Lightwip wrote:
On July 17 2011 02:47 ]343[ wrote:
On July 17 2011 01:48 Xiphos wrote:
On July 16 2011 23:51 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Nevermind, I just watched his games against SK and Zero. He played superbly.

It's kinda sad that even with his reduced practice time, he still seems to be the only terran capable of playing at an S-class level.


Yeah, Terran race is the hardest race to play. Its not like they won the majority of the tournament out there or anything.


OSL/MSL finalists since 2008:+ Show Spoiler +

Terran
(T)Flash 6-2
(T)Fantasy 1-2
(T)fOrGG 1-0

Zerg
(Z)Jaedong 4-4
(Z)July 1-0
(Z)Luxury 1-0
(Z)Calm 1-0
(Z)Hydra 1-0
(Z)EffOrt 1-0
(Z)Kwanro 0-1
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] 0-1
(Z)great 0-1
(Z)ZerO 0-1

Protoss
(P)Stork 1-3
(P)Bisu 1-0
(P)Kal 0-1
(P)BeSt 0-1
(P)Movie 0-1
(P)JangBi 0-2


OSL/MSL champions since 2008:+ Show Spoiler +

Terran:
(T)Flash x6
(T)fOrGG (retired) x1
(T)Fantasy (aka (T)Oov) x1

Zerg:
(Z)Jaedong x5 (really x4 since 2008)
(Z)July x1 (retired)
(Z)Luxury x1 (gone)
(Z)EffOrt x1 (returning)
(Z)Calm x1
(Z)Hydra x1

Protoss:
(P)Bisu x1
(P)Stork x1


There are not a lot of S-class terrans.

So why is 2008 the cutoff point? Are you sure you're not cherry picking to warp statistics to prove a point?

well 2008 marks the start of the modern era I believe (with savior's fall and Jaedong/Flash starting to dominate the scene and bringing many innovations to the game)


In the time between Savior's fall and Jaedong/Flash there was another player that did well for a while...
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
July 17 2011 06:23 GMT
#442
On July 17 2011 14:31 Muirhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 07:34 swanized wrote:
On July 17 2011 03:19 Lightwip wrote:
On July 17 2011 02:47 ]343[ wrote:
On July 17 2011 01:48 Xiphos wrote:
On July 16 2011 23:51 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Nevermind, I just watched his games against SK and Zero. He played superbly.

It's kinda sad that even with his reduced practice time, he still seems to be the only terran capable of playing at an S-class level.


Yeah, Terran race is the hardest race to play. Its not like they won the majority of the tournament out there or anything.


OSL/MSL finalists since 2008:+ Show Spoiler +

Terran
(T)Flash 6-2
(T)Fantasy 1-2
(T)fOrGG 1-0

Zerg
(Z)Jaedong 4-4
(Z)July 1-0
(Z)Luxury 1-0
(Z)Calm 1-0
(Z)Hydra 1-0
(Z)EffOrt 1-0
(Z)Kwanro 0-1
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] 0-1
(Z)great 0-1
(Z)ZerO 0-1

Protoss
(P)Stork 1-3
(P)Bisu 1-0
(P)Kal 0-1
(P)BeSt 0-1
(P)Movie 0-1
(P)JangBi 0-2


OSL/MSL champions since 2008:+ Show Spoiler +

Terran:
(T)Flash x6
(T)fOrGG (retired) x1
(T)Fantasy (aka (T)Oov) x1

Zerg:
(Z)Jaedong x5 (really x4 since 2008)
(Z)July x1 (retired)
(Z)Luxury x1 (gone)
(Z)EffOrt x1 (returning)
(Z)Calm x1
(Z)Hydra x1

Protoss:
(P)Bisu x1
(P)Stork x1


There are not a lot of S-class terrans.

So why is 2008 the cutoff point? Are you sure you're not cherry picking to warp statistics to prove a point?

well 2008 marks the start of the modern era I believe (with savior's fall and Jaedong/Flash starting to dominate the scene and bringing many innovations to the game)


In the time between Savior's fall and Jaedong/Flash there was another player that did well for a while...


Stork was pretty beastly in 2007.


That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 17 2011 08:52 GMT
#443
I'm in China till the 7th anyway... I haven't watched a single game or read TL for more than 10 minutes in the past week or so.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
July 17 2011 12:45 GMT
#444
On July 17 2011 13:48 Mumei wrote:
As you said, you were mistaken. However, Hydra has gotten increasingly closer in the last few months:

May - 248.2 Point Margin
June - 138.7 Point Margin
July - 72.7 Point Margin

I think this is the first time Jaedong has been in real danger of losing his spot since first taking it.


Yeah, he runs a pretty high risk of losing it to Hydra next month since he gets to play a bunch of playoff games, which gives you a lot of points. If both advances in the OSL but Hydra gets 3-4 wins in the playoffs, he'll probably get #1 Zerg in Kespa ranking.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
July 17 2011 13:55 GMT
#445
On July 17 2011 14:31 Muirhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 07:34 swanized wrote:
On July 17 2011 03:19 Lightwip wrote:
On July 17 2011 02:47 ]343[ wrote:
On July 17 2011 01:48 Xiphos wrote:
On July 16 2011 23:51 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Nevermind, I just watched his games against SK and Zero. He played superbly.

It's kinda sad that even with his reduced practice time, he still seems to be the only terran capable of playing at an S-class level.


Yeah, Terran race is the hardest race to play. Its not like they won the majority of the tournament out there or anything.


OSL/MSL finalists since 2008:+ Show Spoiler +

Terran
(T)Flash 6-2
(T)Fantasy 1-2
(T)fOrGG 1-0

Zerg
(Z)Jaedong 4-4
(Z)July 1-0
(Z)Luxury 1-0
(Z)Calm 1-0
(Z)Hydra 1-0
(Z)EffOrt 1-0
(Z)Kwanro 0-1
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] 0-1
(Z)great 0-1
(Z)ZerO 0-1

Protoss
(P)Stork 1-3
(P)Bisu 1-0
(P)Kal 0-1
(P)BeSt 0-1
(P)Movie 0-1
(P)JangBi 0-2


OSL/MSL champions since 2008:+ Show Spoiler +

Terran:
(T)Flash x6
(T)fOrGG (retired) x1
(T)Fantasy (aka (T)Oov) x1

Zerg:
(Z)Jaedong x5 (really x4 since 2008)
(Z)July x1 (retired)
(Z)Luxury x1 (gone)
(Z)EffOrt x1 (returning)
(Z)Calm x1
(Z)Hydra x1

Protoss:
(P)Bisu x1
(P)Stork x1


There are not a lot of S-class terrans.

So why is 2008 the cutoff point? Are you sure you're not cherry picking to warp statistics to prove a point?

well 2008 marks the start of the modern era I believe (with savior's fall and Jaedong/Flash starting to dominate the scene and bringing many innovations to the game)


In the time between Savior's fall and Jaedong/Flash there was another player that did well for a while...

yeah sure GGPlay was pretty great too
Writer
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 17 2011 15:35 GMT
#446
The Top 5 is really close at the moment I think. Flash is Flash, Jaedong is literally unstoppble, Zero is being a real hero for Stars and is on a pretty crazy winning spree, Hydra pretty much destoys anyone who isn't Flash in a Starleague and Bisu is also doing great lately.

We should most definitely wait until after PL is over so we can make the most accurate possible rank of these beasts.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 03:41:21
July 17 2011 21:54 GMT
#447
I think (T)Light deserves a spot too somewhere in there next PR.
WriterXiao8~~
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 04:53:43
July 18 2011 04:52 GMT
#448
I like Light's trend statistically. 6-4 in May. 5-2 in June. 7-2 in July. He does need to add some more high profile wins to his record though.

Edit: huge fan of his TvZ too, although that match against Crazy-Hydra looked a bit scrappy to my eyes.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
erikzbi
Profile Joined May 2011
China43 Posts
July 18 2011 08:14 GMT
#449
i feel sorry for bisu though
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
July 18 2011 16:10 GMT
#450
On July 18 2011 17:14 erikzbi wrote:
i feel sorry for bisu though


Why?

Jaedong has only 2 games left this month, both ZvZ. Bisu still has MST and PL GF, which will be counted towards the next ranking. No idea when MSL starts so I suppose JD could end up with more than 2 more games, but it's unlikely.

Bisu has plenty of opportunity to place higher than his rivals, or alternatively to fall behind them, according to how he plays.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
July 18 2011 16:42 GMT
#451
I hope Bogus gets a spot. That's all.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
Nesto
Profile Joined November 2009
Switzerland1318 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 19:47:31
July 18 2011 19:45 GMT
#452
On July 19 2011 01:10 Mortality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 17:14 erikzbi wrote:
i feel sorry for bisu though


Why?

Jaedong has only 2 games left this month, both ZvZ. Bisu still has MST and PL GF, which will be counted towards the next ranking. No idea when MSL starts so I suppose JD could end up with more than 2 more games, but it's unlikely.

Bisu has plenty of opportunity to place higher than his rivals, or alternatively to fall behind them, according to how he plays.


the last MST games will be played on 2nd august (followed by group selection and stuff..), so there won't be any MSL games for JD before the next PR is published.

On the other hand, should JD win the remaining 2 games, he would be on a 12 game winning streak, which pretty much guarantees a top spot.

In the end, the contenders for the top are pretty clear (-> Flash, JD, Bisu, Zero) but it's too close to call anything yet.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 18 2011 19:49 GMT
#453
Hydra is most definitely a part of those names; there are 5 players that currently stand out completely from the rest. Hydra will, along with Bisu, get his chance to show his worth in the PL play-offs.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Nesto
Profile Joined November 2009
Switzerland1318 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 19:54:24
July 18 2011 19:53 GMT
#454
On July 19 2011 04:49 Holgerius wrote:
Hydra is most definitely a part of those names; there are 5 players that currently stand out completely from the rest. Hydra will, along with Bisu, get his chance to show his worth in the PL play-offs.


Well, Hydra only played one game in July, and he lost that one, so I wouldn't mention him yet. We will see if he deserves a spot in the top 5 as soon as CJ enters the PL playoffs.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 20:06:51
July 18 2011 20:06 GMT
#455
That one loss was against Flash, who played like Flash is supposed to, in OSL. I for one can't really fault him too much for that one. His amazing track record in the recent Starleagues as well as Proleauge makes him a super strong candidate for the top spots as long as he delivers like he's supposed to in the playoffs. As of right now he most definitely deserves a place amongst those names, despite that loss against Flash.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Nesto
Profile Joined November 2009
Switzerland1318 Posts
July 18 2011 20:35 GMT
#456
Not too sure about that game.

To me it looked like a total fail build -> failed 9 pool agression into fast 3 base, which delayed his tech so much that Hydra had 2-3 control groups of marine/medic in his third base, before he could start morphing lurkers. He also failed to do anything to keep Flash in his base with his Zerglings and Mutas.

While Flashs dropship play at the end was kinda cool, the game really was pretty much lost, when Hydras third went down.

In my eyes, Hydra has to take the blame for that game - wheter or not Flash "played like he is supposed to".

I agree, that he is a strong candidate for the top spots, If he delivers in proleague, but I wouldn't reserve a top spot for him, before he has won a single game in July
InFdude
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Bulgaria619 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 20:52:43
July 18 2011 20:52 GMT
#457
--- Nuked ---
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
July 18 2011 22:25 GMT
#458
On July 19 2011 05:06 Holgerius wrote:
That one loss was against Flash, who played like Flash is supposed to, in OSL. I for one can't really fault him too much for that one. His amazing track record in the recent Starleagues as well as Proleauge makes him a super strong candidate for the top spots as long as he delivers like he's supposed to in the playoffs. As of right now he most definitely deserves a place amongst those names, despite that loss against Flash.

Maybe im just blinded by Flash's brilliant timings but I really felt Hydra just rolled over when I watched game. His build was very strange I think: 9 pool into 3 hat with slow tech and I didn't feel his muta micro was that good. Hydra is without a doubt a very talanted player, but he seems inconsistant, like last season when he could own in the OSL and still lose left and right in PL.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
July 18 2011 23:15 GMT
#459
Hydra has games to be played in OSL and PL playoffs that will count towards the ranking. Don't count him out yet.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
b0lt
Profile Joined March 2009
United States790 Posts
July 19 2011 03:04 GMT
#460
HoeJJa should get bumped up to 7 or 8, he's been doing really well lately.
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