Power Rank 06/02/2011 - Page 28

On June 28 2011 23:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:


What are you even saying? There was no Flash back then, what? Do you seriously understand what you just said?

Flash won't join the PR this month when he's the shoe-in #1? Flash has won more titles this month than Bisu has in three years, and did so by 6-0ing his competition. Bisu could go undefeated in PL and it wouldn't make up for not showing up in either tournament. I don't care how good the games were, we all hold Bisu to a standard of being clearly and absolutely better than every single player in those prelims, in every one of his matchups. Hyvaa having a good day is a good excuse for dropping a PL game, not for dropping a best of 3 to even attempt to get into the tournament that gets you into the OSL. It's a disgrace for him, good games or not.

And I watched the games -- Hyvaa played a little cheesey and followed it up with good macro games. That's cool, great on him for playing well. Bisu should play better if he wants to be held in the same breath as Flash and Jaedong.



Are you kidding me? Luxury shot straight up to #2 for winning the MSL, and the only reason he didn't get #1 is because Jaedong won the OSL. The same goes for Calm, the only reason he wasn't #1 was because Jaedong was the OSL champ.

You want another example? Guess a player who's only won 1 msl, and crushed his competition, and shot up to #1 on the PR for one month before never coming back? ForGG! The precedent applies as much as it doesn't, and we don't have a recent OSL Champ to knock Flash off his perch (because Fantasy is slumping about as hard as flash).



They show up to play in individual leagues. Bisu's still an S-class gamer, but failing in individual leagues gives you plenty of time to focus on PL. It's not like he had to worry about ODTs vs Jaedong or Flash, you know, like Jaedong and Flash.

Bisu may very well fail in tournaments because he's practicing too much for PL, like Flash did in times past. That's why Flash wasn't #1 on the PR and is a perfect reason why Bisu shouldn't be. Also, Flash never failed in qualifiers, for what's it's worth, and still wasn't #1, and it's not like he lost to people who played poorly, either. Typically to beat Flash, JD or Bisu you have to play well, that doesn't mean they still shouldn't win, be expected to win, and shouldn't be lessened for losing.



This sounds like a pretty good reason to not put him #1, when your excuse is "Well this guy who just won a title stopped him from doing well last MSL!"




I have a feeling this record will be broken next year if we keep the double WL format. It's a win sieve.

On June 29 2011 00:49 DarkMatter_ wrote:
CBNC at best. A 4 game winning streak (albeit against respectable opposition) doesn't mean much considering that he's been a horrible player for as long as anyone can remember. He also dropped a couple of games at the beginning of the month to mediocre players (Turn, Peace) and got knocked out of the OSL prelims in the first round that he played. If he can consistently perform at the same level as he did this month, he might take the #9 or #10 spot now and then, but right now history and reputation are not on his side.

EDIT Also, please no Yellow in the PR. If you want to do a tribute for Yellow, write an article or something. Just arbitrarily putting him on a list that he absolutely does not belong in isn't doing any honors to his achievements and contributions.

On June 29 2011 00:14 ffreakk wrote:


Not much time, so i ll just reply quickly a few points.

1/ I said Flash would likely not join the PR after this month. Reason being that he ll take a break from the games to focus on his health. Take off your damn fanboy glass and read what people say for once.

2/ Bisu made the record by winning more games and losing less games than Flash did when he made the last one. So whether your prediction would come true or not, he did surpass Flash right there, as far as Proleague is concerned.

On June 29 2011 00:34 Iplaythings wrote:
Am I the only who's beginning to think that Hoejja (yes, Hoejja) warrants a low power rank spot?

On June 29 2011 02:53 Mortality wrote:
I DON'T see Jangbi overtaking Bisu. A YEAR of failure followed by one good -- but NOT great (Jangbi's has taken a few decent players, but he's mostly played scrubs who I would EXPECT a PR player to rape; it's not like Jangbi is in the finals of OSL) -- month is not enough to surpass someone who has been winning over 75% of his games for more than 8 months.

On June 29 2011 00:44 Caladbolg wrote:
Great that there's a debate right now for no.2 (no one's seriously contesting no.1 I think). Let me chime in.

1. Flash

Kind of a no-brainer. MSL Gold in dominating fashion. PL results are highly questionable, but attributable to many things, not the least of which is his injury. KT dropped the ball when they still played him after clinching the playoffs.

2-3. Yellow and Jaedong/Bisu

As a tribute to the Storm Zerg and possibly the second most important person for the BW scene, Yellow should be given PR no.2 as props to an illustrious career (like when Sea was given no.1 for TL attack).

Jaedong/Bisu gets a bit tricky, and might depend upon the last few PL games. After a "severe" losing streak for his standards, JD promptly bounced back and is now on a winning streak which includes Flash. His momentum right now is probably the strongest, and since Flash is out for PL he'll be the most feared ace right now. Unfortunately he will have to suffer from that horrid 6-loss streak. The price is having a 50% chance of losing the no. 2 spot, no matter how much you rationalize on current momentum.

Bisu is performing like his usual monstrous self, only this time his individual league hiccup returned. I for one continue to have faith in his ability during SLs. He'll likely break through as soon as this MSL. Unfortunately speculation and hopes cannot carry you past 2 and a half years of miserable failure. I think Bisu's PL dominance is actually hurting his ranking, because it makes you realize what he's capable of and as a result expect him to achieve a measure of success in the individual league that some people have taken for granted. I think it's quite clear that qualifying for individual leagues is still the hardest accomplishment right now because of the competition participating therein. While this does not justify under performance, it does shed light on Bisu's repeated losses over weaker players. For perfection in PL and crashing and burning in SL, I think Bisu has a chance to move up over Zero and JD.

4. JangBi

I hesitate putting JangBi this high because, as with Bisu in the SLs or Stork in the finals, experience has told me my faith in him will be unrewarded. Nevertheless, JangBi, with the exception of Jaedong, is the player with the most momentum right now. Someone said it quite clearly - JangBi is not just winning with BOs or by his opponent's mistakes: He's playing solid Starcraft, with an increasing tendency to display brilliant Starcraft reminiscent of his play during his height (when "Almighty" wasn't just a nickname - it specifically described his level of play). 20-4 is nearly Flash-esque. I look forward to having a Protoss besides Stork to go deep in the OSL this time and give the Zerg and Terran contenders a run for their money. With Yellow retiring, could JangBi take the mantle not only of the Kong line, but also of the "Storm" name? I wait with bated breath.

5. Hydra

It's hard not to give props to a player that has achieved the best results this year. It's harder not to be a fan upon discovering he plays on effectively one eye. To my mind, effort is still the Zerg with the potential to take JD's throne. Still, it's hard to dispute Hydra's awakening. 1 loss to a non-Flash player in PL? Throw it down big fella, throw it down.

(addendum: with effort seemingly having Flash's number in the past and Hydra having JD's presently, will another CJ zerg arise to plague Bisu's title dreams?)

6. Zero

In deference to his silver achievement, and decent PL showing (unfortunately Stars isn't twinkling quite as brightly as before), Zero has to be placed before the other PL mini-bosses. It doesn't bode well for Zero's future that he didn't qualify for the OSL. His defense vs Canata was good though, and it saves him from the ignominy of losing to s2 a couple weeks after defeating JD himself, along with Calm.

7. Light

Light is doing well in his weakest matchup. Too bad he lost to Sang in the prelims. Still, it's always been his TvP that's held him back overall so it's nice that he's shoring that weakness up (much like FBH in ACE). Oh and he beat his arch-nemesis, Perfectman!

8. Hoejja

I really like this pick. Hoejja's stats are worse than the next two, but his play has been sublime. His win against Horang2 and Kal (and Stork last month) are both auto-recommended displays of superior ZvP. I choose him at 8 simply because I don't see anyone (save SoO) playing ZvP as beautifully as Hoejja is playing right now. But what the heck happened vs Lazy???

9. Movie

Great stats, not so great scalps. Here in recognition of the numbers.

10. SoO

I picked SoO to be my other up and coming Zerg (SK was the other) in the "potential" thread. His ZvP is phenomenal right now. While I don't like using stats, here are some of his scalps for the month of June:

Stats, Stork, Jangbi, Jaehoon. In 10 games against Protoss, he's lost 1 (and won the series anyway, qualifying for the OSL). He's also taken out Mind and Killer. Because of him, the SKT1 Zerg line is on a winning streak in PL. He'd be one of my nominees for most improved player post-winner's league.

On June 29 2011 03:11 Xiphos wrote:


We'll see about who is better between JangBi and Bisu in the OSL final! Oh wai-

On June 29 2011 04:01 Mortality wrote:


Ro16 is nowhere close to final. If jangbi were in the final that would be different. But making Ro16... how many players do that each season? 16. What? 16. What? I SAID SIXTEEN. It's premature to consider Jangbi to be above Bisu.

On June 29 2011 02:53 Mortality wrote:
Edit: by the way: winning 75% in PL, as great as it is, is not the same as winning 75% in SL. Not even close to being the same. Just do the math to see why: in standard OSL format (group stage -> bo3 -> bo5 -> bo5) it's mathematically impossible to win 75% without at least making the finals. And in each round you face progressively harder opposition, meaning that you are more likely to lose games. Your typical Ro16 opponent is harder on average than your typical PL opponent and it gets worse from there.

On June 29 2011 02:53 Mortality wrote:
I DON'T see Jangbi overtaking Bisu. A YEAR of failure followed by one good -- but NOT great (Jangbi's has taken a few decent players, but he's mostly played scrubs who I would EXPECT a PR player to rape; it's not like Jangbi is in the finals of OSL) -- month is not enough to surpass someone who has been winning over 75% of his games for more than 8 months.

Edit: by the way: winning 75% in PL, as great as it is, is not the same as winning 75% in SL. Not even close to being the same. Just do the math to see why: in standard OSL format (group stage -> bo3 -> bo5 -> bo5) it's mathematically impossible to win 75% without at least making the finals. And in each round you face progressively harder opposition, meaning that you are more likely to lose games. Your typical Ro16 opponent is harder on average than your typical PL opponent and it gets worse from there.

On June 28 2011 15:52 Lachrymose wrote:
It seems like "Doing well in PL" or equivalent is turning into some sort of buzz phrase that you can use to simplify Bisu's record down and dismiss it, without outright ignoring it but without giving any credit to what it actually is.

If he went 2-1 against Hyvaa instead of 1-2 he would be undeniably 1st place, yet let's drop him down to p4 (or 5, lol Jangbi) because of that or because the games had "OSL" in the title?

He has not lost to anybody playing badly or due to bad play. Hyvaa and Roro both played great Starcraft to beat Bisu. Pushing wins and losses aside his actual play is great. Hi Hiya.

His record is better than Flash, JD and Hydra this month whether you include OSL Prelims or not and unlike JD he actually has a good record in more than one MU.

Elo #1. Peaking in his 'bad' MU. One loss sitting on consecutive peaks in his good MU.

The best evidence he is powerful is that this is not a streak. WL 30-10 (75%). PL 34-5 (87%) (!!?) That is not doing well. Those are not the kind of numbers you can push aside and say "Eh, he does well in PL but can't qualify for OSL". To do so is such a shallow or disingenuous summary.