EPTPower Rank 06/02/2011 - Page 25
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
1. Flash (MSL Title, advancing to OSL > wrist problem, proleague 5-loss streak) 2/3: JD/Hydra (both MSL semifinalists, advanced to OSL, did good in PL) 4. Jangbi (Finally, he's got good game. 9-1 over his last 10 games, on a streak in PL, advanced to OSL) 5. Bisu (Still a monster in PL, but didn't even advance out of OSL prelims.) 6. Zero (Got drubbed in MSL finals, didn't show up much in PL, going 2-1 after MSL finals. Didn't advance out of OSL prelims) 7. Soo (the SKT zerg that doesn't fail right now, and advanced to OSL) 8-10. Light, Movie, best (PL monsters right now, but fell out of OSL Prelims) discuss. Also talk about CBNCs of the month. And shoutout to Hydra for being so badass with one good eye!! | ||
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Mumei
United States258 Posts
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On June 25 2011 10:29 jpak wrote: My tentative ranking (I watch a lot of BW, but haven't done a ranking like this before) 1. Flash (MSL Title, advancing to OSL > wrist problem, proleague 5-loss streak) 2/3: JD/Hydra (both MSL semifinalists, advanced to OSL, did good in PL) 4. Jangbi (Finally, he's got good game. 9-1 over his last 10 games, on a streak in PL, advanced to OSL) 5. Bisu (Still a monster in PL, but didn't even advance out of OSL prelims.) 6. Zero (Got drubbed in MSL finals, didn't show up much in PL, going 2-1 after MSL finals. Didn't advance out of OSL prelims) 7. Soo (the SKT zerg that doesn't fail right now, and advanced to OSL) 8-10. Light, Movie, best (PL monsters right now, but fell out of OSL Prelims) discuss. Also talk about CBNCs of the month. And shoutout to Hydra for being so badass with one good eye!! No FBH?! | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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Tempest[OEC]
United States417 Posts
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
I don't think Jangbi deserves top 5, nice run this month but apart from beating Horang2 and a couple of good players in the wildcard OSL qualifier his strength of schedule is a joke, he should be winning most of those games and it's only a surprise because of how terrible he's played for a long time. Movie should be above him. | ||
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
It's a good sign but I don't think he's back yet. Stork should be on the list. His game is good, all his losses were BO. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
It's the cycle of Stork's career. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On June 27 2011 01:28 baubo wrote: Don't worry about Stork. Stork basically always rise in the PR during SL season, then tapers off when it's only PL around. But right when everyone forgets him, he'd oddly just turn it on for some reason and get into SL BoXs. Then he'd fail somewhere between Ro8 and Finals, get depressed and start failing against in the PL, and drop out of the PR again. It's the cycle of Stork's career. Really? Wow, I wonder why I haven't notice this trend.... Hopefully you are right cuz his games were starting to worrying me. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On June 26 2011 23:14 sixfour wrote: Roro for CBNC please, knocking out Movie from OSL given the vZ run he's on is very nice, great game vs Bisu. Haven't thought about how I'd rank things apart from Flash #1, I kind of think Bisu/JD/Hydra in some order, would autopick Bisu but lol hyvaa 5 pool, would pick JD but the early part of his month was a joke, Hydra kind of got bitchslapped by Flash hard but was already accounted for in the last PR I don't think Jangbi deserves top 5, nice run this month but apart from beating Horang2 and a couple of good players in the wildcard OSL qualifier his strength of schedule is a joke, he should be winning most of those games and it's only a surprise because of how terrible he's played for a long time. Movie should be above him. Good post. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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VGhost
United States3618 Posts
On June 27 2011 00:07 gen.Sun wrote: Jangbi's run is like shines IMO. Full of bad players. It's a good sign but I don't think he's back yet. Stork should be on the list. His game is good, all his losses were BO. Starting in May, Jangbi has gone 10-1 in televised games, with an additional 9-2 in OSL prelims. His losses are to soO, which is normally worrying but soO's playing really well right now; and Hydra, which yeah. So nothing to worry about. He's beaten Sea, Stats, Crazy-Hydra, Hyuk, Horang2, s2, Shuttle, and Hyun, all of whom are Proleague regulars. Sea, Horang2, and maybe Stats are top players: Horang2 and Shuttle have been #2 and #3 PvP for pretty much the last two years. In prelims he beat ZerO (also Leta, but Leta's TvP ugh), and took down up-and-comers Classic and Sharp. Even Perfective and Sang are seeing time. Sure, sacsri's a scrub, and Last is bad even though STX is getting desperate and playing him a bunch - but, um... where is this run "full of bad players" you're talking about? I'm reluctant to give Jangbi a top 5 spot for the same reason I was arguing earlier that Horang2 stays above BeSt: Jangbi's been awful for the last two years and then suddenly started playing well again last month. But with his progressing in Starleagues and owning Proleague, assuming he keeps up both, I think he's looking at a 5-7 spot - not higher unless a bunch of people faceplant. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On June 27 2011 04:06 Crisium wrote: Movie, Horang2, Bisu, and JangBi have all done well in proleague in June. But obviously one of those names did something the others failed to do. You have to take that into consideration. I'm not saying JangBi must be above all of them, but you would have to make a very strong case that their proleagues results are significantly better than JangBi's, Because JangBi is in the Ro16 while the others failed to advance in the prelims. And that is a significant advantage for him. The others all have something Jangbi doesn't have though: PROOF. Power Rank is about who is the "hottest," who is the most "powerful." Forgetting the meaning of Power Rank, just asking "who on paper produced the nicest looking results this month" is not what this is all about. Anyone who wants to know that can quit being lazy and just open up TLPD. Is Jangbi's one good month really enough to make up for almost a year of consistent failure? Jangbi is in the Ro16 of OSL. For a player who we rank in top 4 on PR and has not yet been eliminated, my expectation is that he's a shoe-in for a semifinals at the least. Obviously there are no guarantees, but that's what I expect out of top 4. So the question is this: how confident are we that Jangbi will press on? See, this is why I'm favoring Bisu: yes he has this awful tendency right now to lose to players he shouldn't (although I'll say this again: tell me to my face that hyvaa played bad -- I don't care that hyvaa has a crappy record, I care about how he PLAYED), but if you look at his skill and you look at the skill of his opponents, who is favored to beat him? Flash and? Maybe Hydra. Fantasy and Hiya have a decent chance. Stork and Kal were doing a number on him earlier in the year, but both of them suck right now. And despite Bisu's tendency to under perform in SL, does anyone doubt that he deserves proleague MVP? Who are we confident Jangbi would slam in a bo5? What accomplishments does he have in the past 6 months? Past year? Under normal circumstances I wouldn't want a player who is not in individual league to be top 5 on the ranking, but this is a lot to make up for: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=63&part=games&vs=all&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=7&from_day=16&to_year=2011&to_month=4&to_day=30&action=Update Jangbi's play hasn't been bad, but he hasn't offered PROOF that he's here to stay. | ||
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
On June 27 2011 04:49 Mortality wrote: The others all have something Jangbi doesn't have though: PROOF. Power Rank is about who is the "hottest," who is the most "powerful." Forgetting the meaning of Power Rank, just asking "who on paper produced the nicest looking results this month" is not what this is all about. Anyone who wants to know that can quit being lazy and just open up TLPD. Is Jangbi's one good month really enough to make up for almost a year of consistent failure? Jangbi is in the Ro16 of OSL. For a player who we rank in top 4 on PR and has not yet been eliminated, my expectation is that he's a shoe-in for a semifinals at the least. Obviously there are no guarantees, but that's what I expect out of top 4. So the question is this: how confident are we that Jangbi will press on? See, this is why I'm favoring Bisu: yes he has this awful tendency right now to lose to players he shouldn't (although I'll say this again: tell me to my face that hyvaa played bad -- I don't care that hyvaa has a crappy record, I care about how he PLAYED), but if you look at his skill and you look at the skill of his opponents, who is favored to beat him? Flash and? Maybe Hydra. Fantasy and Hiya have a decent chance. Stork and Kal were doing a number on him earlier in the year, but both of them suck right now. And despite Bisu's tendency to under perform in SL, does anyone doubt that he deserves proleague MVP? Who are we confident Jangbi would slam in a bo5? What accomplishments does he have in the past 6 months? Past year? Under normal circumstances I wouldn't want a player who is not in individual league to be top 5 on the ranking, but this is a lot to make up for: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=63&part=games&vs=all&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=7&from_day=16&to_year=2011&to_month=4&to_day=30&action=Update Jangbi's play hasn't been bad, but he hasn't offered PROOF that he's here to stay. i'd say losing in the finals of his group only to comeback with a wild card is proof enough of his reluctant to go back into his old ways the old jangbi would have lost to perfective realizing if he's won he still would have to beat leta and zero and with your logic i wouldnt trust my life in bisu reaching round of 16 does that mean bisu is bad? no jangbi made a long way andthe results are finally showing off in my opinion you still are to attached to the old jangbi ..(and it may be the same jangbi that plays today) but so far you cant judge a person that is showing change with the "no way he takes a bo5 vs anyone" statement since he clearly would not have made such results had he not changed . the question is has he changed enough to be up with the top 5 i believe so and of course the same coin has its other side as well http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=63&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2011&from_month=4&from_day=30&to_year=2011&to_month=11&to_day=28&action=Update | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On June 27 2011 04:49 Mortality wrote: The others all have something Jangbi doesn't have though: PROOF. Power Rank is about who is the "hottest," who is the most "powerful." Forgetting the meaning of Power Rank, just asking "who on paper produced the nicest looking results this month" is not what this is all about. Anyone who wants to know that can quit being lazy and just open up TLPD. Is Jangbi's one good month really enough to make up for almost a year of consistent failure? Jangbi is in the Ro16 of OSL. For a player who we rank in top 4 on PR and has not yet been eliminated, my expectation is that he's a shoe-in for a semifinals at the least. Obviously there are no guarantees, but that's what I expect out of top 4. So the question is this: how confident are we that Jangbi will press on? See, this is why I'm favoring Bisu: yes he has this awful tendency right now to lose to players he shouldn't (although I'll say this again: tell me to my face that hyvaa played bad -- I don't care that hyvaa has a crappy record, I care about how he PLAYED), but if you look at his skill and you look at the skill of his opponents, who is favored to beat him? Flash and? Maybe Hydra. Fantasy and Hiya have a decent chance. Stork and Kal were doing a number on him earlier in the year, but both of them suck right now. And despite Bisu's tendency to under perform in SL, does anyone doubt that he deserves proleague MVP? Who are we confident Jangbi would slam in a bo5? What accomplishments does he have in the past 6 months? Past year? Under normal circumstances I wouldn't want a player who is not in individual league to be top 5 on the ranking, but this is a lot to make up for: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=63&part=games&vs=all&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=7&from_day=16&to_year=2011&to_month=4&to_day=30&action=Update Jangbi's play hasn't been bad, but he hasn't offered PROOF that he's here to stay. Mortality you sound like a Bisu fan :p. The Bisu fan in me is falling in love with you. And i personally wont favor Hydra against Bisu. Sure he recently dropped a few games vs lesser Zergs (if u can call Roro lesser), but hes been good for too long for me to drop him out of my "PvZ auto-win" list. Plus his opponents played brilliantly, hyvaa and Roro both. | ||
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United States10328 Posts
On June 27 2011 07:11 ffreakk wrote: Mortality you sound like a Bisu fan :p. The Bisu fan in me is falling in love with you. He's not. I'm not either, and I actually agree: Jangbi is on fire, but that's a Khan thing--when a player does well, he goes ^_^ and does really well for a while. But this is the same argument as we had against BeSt (though BeSt dropped out of OSL prelims playing PvT of all matchups...): Jangbi has been a paewang for a year, two years now. Old veterans who have been slumping have more... "power rank inertia," if you'd call it that; clearly he deserves a PR spot, but even I wouldn't agree with Jangbi being placed above Bisu, and I am a Jangbi fan and not a Bisu fan. If Jangbi makes the Ro4 or even Ro8 while Bisu starts losing games next month, perhaps he can pass Bisu... but Bisu has consistently been the best Protoss in the world for this season (except PvP against Stork/Kal). | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On June 27 2011 07:11 ffreakk wrote: Mortality you sound like a Bisu fan :p. The Bisu fan in me is falling in love with you. And i personally wont favor Hydra against Bisu. Sure he recently dropped a few games vs lesser Zergs (if u can call Roro lesser), but hes been good for too long for me to drop him out of my "PvZ auto-win" list. Plus his opponents played brilliantly, hyvaa and Roro both. I'm not a Bisu fan at all. Most months I'm arguing with the Bisu fans. The problem is, who do you put over Bisu? Flash, Hydra and Jaedong, yes. But after that? Zero? Errrrr -- I love Zero and he wasn't nearly as terrible in his series against Flash as the 3-0 record suggests and he dropped 1-2 in the prelims to a competent ZvZer on A-team (s2). Just being in the finals is a huge accomplishment, but other than being in the finals... what? He hasn't shown anything too fantastic in his game play either. A large part of me wants to give him a good rank for his well earned title shot, but another part of me says the momentum is totally gone. Jangbi? Don't kid me. One good month doesn't make up for an entire year of failure. A GREAT month could, but anyone who thinks this has been a GREAT month has forgotten that Jangbi is only at the Ro16 still. If he were in the finals right now I'd be preaching a different tune. How many times have we seen a player tear his way through prelims and wannabes only to crash on the big stage? Sea does it practically every other season! Movie? Horang2? If either of them had made it to OSL maybe. Both of them have been playing good enough, LONG enough to achieve some high profile wins and PROVE that their current results aren't statistical anomalies. But they also fell it the prelims and Bisu has more wins than BOTH of them COMBINED. Similar arguments rule out Soulkey and Light. Bisu earned #1 ELO through clean, consistent play. His individual league results may suck, but in PL nobody can touch him. He HAS to be #4. Anything else would be a crime. Face it: if Jangbi weren't a member of the Kong line, hardly anybody would be blinking an eye right now. And if he had earned his place in the Kong line recently, that would be one thing, but the Jangbi of right now is trying to break free from being known as... KING OF THE LOSERS. | ||
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