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On June 24 2011 05:38 qrs wrote:
Despite his recent mini-slump and dropping all those games to Jaedong, the fact is that Flash has not lost a single game that mattered this month. KT is a lock for the playoffs, and Flash made it through his OSL group. That being the case, the Golden Badge winner should keep #1.
while I agree that he should have the #1 spot for his golden badge, I really wouldn't say that he did not lose a single game that mattered. Due to the proleague playoff format, it doesn't matter if your team is 3rd or 6th during the season, but it matters if you are 2nd or 3rd, because being 2nd means your team only has to overcome two other teams instead of four to win the title.
If he had won against Hydra in PL, he would have carried his team to the ace match and could have won against CJ who is their direct contender for the 2nd place.
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On June 23 2011 17:49 Oystein wrote:
Prelims have got to count for the PR. Wins and losses. It's just that a win against a prelim scrub shouldn't count for much
I never meant that prelims should not count, as I have mentioned in earlier posts in this thread is obviously should. What I meant was that I found it hilarious that pvzvt when needing help with his argument decided to just tweak and pick stats\games of his own chosing when reality did not work with his argument. The only way he could make Bisu and Jaedong have the same stats was by randomly ignore all his wins in prelims, but count all his losses.
Its basically like me saying "oh well since you play super strong opponents in general in semi finals and finals of starleagues those loses should not count against you, hence Hydra is 10-1 in his last 11 games and should be #1 on PR". You can`t just make up stats on your own when the real numbers does not support your case.
Its not even me disagreeing if Bisu should be higher than Jaedong or not, because if people have good arguments for it I don`t see a problem with it, its that he randomly starts to make up stats when it helps his case I have a problem with and hence suggested that if he wants to count the losses from the prelims into the stats, he needs to add the wins also.[/QUOTE]
Agree that there is an epidemic of cherry-picking statistics in typical PR polemic.
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Wait, "all his wins in prelims"? before going 1-2 and getting knocked out by hyvaa the only person Bisu beat in the prelims was  Rudy, a Woongjin b-teamer that has never even played a televised match. Yeah it counts... I'm just not sure how much.
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On June 24 2011 09:52 nodule wrote:
Agree that there is an epidemic of cherry-picking statistics in typical PR polemic.
It's impossible to avoid these days. Personally, I try to cut things off at month boundaries when I can, but sometimes players will do like JD has this month and start off poorly then pick things up, and unfortunately most people don't respond sensibly when it comes to analyzing what a statistic really means. An 8-0 run following a 0-8 loss streak only averages out to 50% in the end and it is not necessarily true that you are playing better on the 8 game win streak than on the 8 game loss streak: these events may just be statistical anomalies.
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On June 24 2011 06:29 SimonB wrote:
Flash has lost games that mattered, and it worries me. (#3 in PL is a lot worse than #2 or #1.) He absolutely owned in the MSL and he's advanced in the OSL, so he's doing well enough to retain #1 in power rank.
Actually, about a year ago, he was knocked off #1 because of his ace loss streak, which he really shouldn't have. Those games didn't matter, KT was WAY ahead. On June 24 2011 06:32 Nesto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 05:38 qrs wrote:
Despite his recent mini-slump and dropping all those games to Jaedong, the fact is that Flash has not lost a single game that mattered this month. KT is a lock for the playoffs, and Flash made it through his OSL group. That being the case, the Golden Badge winner should keep #1.
while I agree that he should have the #1 spot for his golden badge, I really wouldn't say that he did not lose a single game that mattered. Due to the proleague playoff format, it doesn't matter if your team is 3rd or 6th during the season, but it matters if you are 2nd or 3rd, because being 2nd means your team only has to overcome two other teams instead of four to win the title. If he had won against Hydra in PL, he would have carried his team to the ace match and could have won against CJ who is their direct contender for the 2nd place.
Point taken.
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One thing I've always felt should be taken into consideration, but one that PR hardly ever cares about, is Bisu basically never dual-league. And hasn't even done much in the MSL in recent memory. There's just a lot less pressure when you just focus on the PL like Bisu does.
I just feel it's less about Bisu losing in the prelims or whatever. But that he basically never had to split his practice time among different leagues.
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If we ignore the three losses against Flash, which I think we should to an extent, Hydra has gotten some sick results lately. #4?
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Come on, seriously. Like I said before, soo deserves a place in the next PR, look at his stats this month he has won everything he could.
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On June 24 2011 19:58 jaQi wrote:
Come on, seriously. Like I said before, soo deserves a place in the next PR, look at his stats this month he has won everything he could.
damn no wonder skt is doing good
man talk about a working horse and now reaching round of 16
8-10 spot easily
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Spoilers ahoy for OSL Ro24!
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Lvjyf.jpg) Jangbi just played flawlessly against highly skilled* opposition. Going through 2-0, this outstanding display should definitely put him past Bisu and Flash. Jangbi for number 1!!!!
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On June 24 2011 21:25 DropBear wrote:Spoilers ahoy for OSL Ro24! + Show Spoiler +Jangbi just played flawlessly against highly skilled* opposition. Going through 2-0, this outstanding display should definitely put him past Bisu and Flash. Jangbi for number 1!!!!
+ Show Spoiler +I must have completly missed the part where s2 and shuttle became "highly skilled opposition" =)
On June 24 2011 19:24 Holgerius wrote:
If we ignore the three losses against Flash, which I think we should to an extent, Hydra has gotten some sick results lately. #4?
why do you think those 3 losses should be ignored? Flash didn't exactly show his A-Game lately and Hydra pretty much rolled over - not even showing any signs of resistance - in those semi-finals.
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On June 24 2011 22:06 Nesto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 21:25 DropBear wrote:Spoilers ahoy for OSL Ro24! + Show Spoiler +Jangbi just played flawlessly against highly skilled* opposition. Going through 2-0, this outstanding display should definitely put him past Bisu and Flash. Jangbi for number 1!!!! + Show Spoiler +I must have completly missed the part where s2 and shuttle became "highly skilled opposition" =)
Given how badly he slumped before, as a fan I'll take anything I can get. Whatever, 2-0ing your group to get into the OSL proper is damn good regardless.
+ Show Spoiler +Need that silver so he, Stork, and great can all be silver buddies. Khan should then get PL silver and the silver mining business will be booming yet again. 
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On June 24 2011 22:06 Nesto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 21:25 DropBear wrote:Spoilers ahoy for OSL Ro24! + Show Spoiler +Jangbi just played flawlessly against highly skilled* opposition. Going through 2-0, this outstanding display should definitely put him past Bisu and Flash. Jangbi for number 1!!!! I must have completly missed the part where s2 and shuttle became "highly skilled opposition" =)
Well he is #3 PvP ELO and has been #2 or #3 for like 3 years now. But he's inconsistent in the other two matches (lose to Light, beat Flash, lol).
On June 24 2011 19:24 Holgerius wrote:
If we ignore the three losses against Flash, which I think we should to an extent, Hydra has gotten some sick results lately. #4?
If we ignore the losses to Flash, don't we have to ignore the win against Flash? I mean, 7-4 isn't shabby no matter how you look at it, especially when three of the losses are against Flash, but I feel like #4 might be a little high. Though I'm not sure who else earned the spot atm...
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15-2 this month now. Can't turn your nose up at that!
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On June 24 2011 22:06 Nesto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 19:24 Holgerius wrote:
If we ignore the three losses against Flash, which I think we should to an extent, Hydra has gotten some sick results lately. #4? why do you think those 3 losses should be ignored? Flash didn't exactly show his A-Game lately and Hydra pretty much rolled over - not even showing any signs of resistance - in those semi-finals.
The semi-final and final was Flash's A-game. Read his interview and he'll tell you just how hard he prepared and practised for it.
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jangbi can easilly take 5 and maybe even higher based on his results this month
4 in the proleague passing the prelimenaries in one of the toughest ways
beating leta zero classic losing to soo is not that bad given soo late results
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The throne is empty and is up for grabs this OSL. Should not be a #1 spot on July1, imo. It all hinges on whether Flash or JD can prove themselves in OSL and how hard Bisu can carry in SPL playoffs.
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Flash didn't prove himself dominating MSL?
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On June 25 2011 02:00 Mortality wrote:
Flash didn't prove himself dominating MSL?
Indeed. I think Flash proved that with enough preparation he's most definitely still the top dog of the scene; he's still unbeaten in series play in the Starleauges since forever now. Next month you can begin arguing that his PL losses (which I think are solely due to his wrist problems,a although his anti-fans will argue otherwise) carry some weight, but as of right now I don't see how any one coupöd argue Flöash' is not #1. He's been tying Nada in a convincing fashion. GG, PR #1 IMO.
Jangbi making a case for a top spot is making me very happy. :D It's been quite a fucking while.
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