Power Rank 05/09/2011 - Page 19

On May 27 2011 01:01 Dakkas wrote:


You can explain it by being in a group with the 2 best players in the world. Not getting further into the MSL is not a negative on Bisu's list because it's entirely possible Flash or Jaedong couldn't have got through

On May 26 2011 23:50 Mumei wrote:


I wouldn't call Jaedong's vZ his best these days, at least not in the last 6 - 7 months. It not being up-to-snuff has caused of him to lose two MSL semi-finals, and he also got knocked out of the last OSL partially due to an awful ZvZ against Hogil. And I don't think anyone would argue that his vT is essentially his only match-up where he still looks consistently like his old self.

I don't know why he can't seem to translate his general ZvZ dominance to Bo5. According to Liquipedia, he's 3 - 1 in ZvZ Bo5 through 2010; this brings him to 3 - 3 through 2011. He doesn't seem to have a problem with Bo3 - he's 20 - 3 in ZvZ Bo3 through 2010 - but it just seems like his opponents rise to the occasion when facing him in Bo5, and he... doesn't.

On May 27 2011 01:47 vishrut wrote:


Bisu was busy slumping hardcore so saying that he didnt do anything last year is pointless since the bisu of this year is completely different from the bisu of last year. i would think that bisu would be favored in a bo5 against zero but it would probably be close.

Also the only reason bisu is not in this zerg msl is because of flash. This is the first starleague since he has recovered his form and i think he would have gone far if he didnt meet flash

On May 27 2011 03:41 Mortality wrote:


I hear ya, which is why I said "statistically best," although if you monkey with the time periods I think maybe his recent ZvT is statistically higher, but you just can't argue with 75+% for years without fail. His loss to Calm I understood: it was Calm playing incredibly smart SC and winning the battle of preparation. His loss to Hydra I sort of understood: last season was really bad for JD and Hydra demonstrated first rate control and understanding of timings. I have not seen the series against Zero yet but... to say this was an unexpected result is an understatement.



Zero happens to be exceptionally strong against Bisu, 4-3 lifetime with solid wins. Zero plays very smart SC and he doesn't allow Bisu to spread him out the same way other Zergs do. This means that I would not be so quick to favor Bisu over Zero, but it also means that ranking Zero ahead of Bisu on the grounds of winning a bo1 is even more silly than usual.

The same arguments that put Flash in #1 while he was out of SL last season argue that Bisu should be #2 right now behind only Flash who is posting comparable PL results at the moment and doing better in SL. That is my thought.

Zero... I love his smart play and I love that he's finally in a finals and I hope he wins. BUT... I'm hesitant to put him in the top 2 when his play is so erratic. On his best days, yeah, fucking hell, he's S-class no questions asked (at least in ZvT and ZvP). On his worst days... well...

On May 27 2011 07:31 flamewheel wrote:
Silence of the lambs.

On May 27 2011 01:57 L0thar wrote:
That's entirely possible and I'd personaly love to see Bisu PvZ in later stages of some tournament. One of the most beautiful match ups, it's a shame he was forced to double PvT with Flash.

However he did meat Flash and he was eliminated. Speculation about what would happen if he didn't are pointless. At the end of the day, there are people in MSL finals and people who has to settle for PL.

Bisu ranking should not be based on some imaginary wins in MSL which he doesn't have.

On May 27 2011 03:41 Mortality wrote:I hear ya, which is why I said "statistically best," although if you monkey with the time periods I think maybe his recent ZvT is statistically higher, but you just can't argue with 75+% for years without fail.

On May 27 2011 08:52 Oystein wrote:
His Ranking would be based on him being an absolute beast in PL, virtually unstoppable in PvZ and PvT if your not named Flash, having the second highest ELO with a 70 point drop to 3rd place JD. Closing in on 60 PL wins, and in general playing some of the best StarCraft of anyone these days. Imaginary MSL games got nothing to do with it.

On May 27 2011 08:29 VGhost wrote:
I just ask that ZerO not be #1 because that would guarantee he loses the MSL.

On May 27 2011 07:41 flamewheel wrote:
And I'm going to wait for Flash vs Hydra.

On May 27 2011 09:44 Mumei wrote:


Well, for just this year, which we're now approaching the halfway mark of, he's at 63.64% (42 - 24) overall. But when you separate that out by match-up, you'll see the disparity: In vT he's at 79.17% (19 - 5), in vZ he's at 56.52% (13 - 10), and in vP he's at 52.63% (10 - 9).

His vT is all that's keeping his overall record looking respectable, though still well below his usual standards, instead of looking like a slump. As a fan, it's been frustrating seeing him reach what could be new heights in his ZvT only for him to seemingly lose his dominance in the other match-ups. He was at just over 80% in vP last year, and 76% in vZ, and now he's barely staying over 50%.

On May 27 2011 06:04 xxpack09 wrote:


idk man, if Zero wins the MSL, I think he deserves #1 PR.

That's just my opinion though. Taking out Jaedong in Zero's weakest matchup.... and then taking down Flash/Hydra... that's really impressive.

Note that the last PR was made 5/9/11, so the Zero-Bisu game was LAST month, not this one.
This month Zero is 8-4, but 3 of those losses are in MSL series that he won anyway. And he's played almost exclusively ZvZ which is classically his weakest matchup

On May 27 2011 02:19 HopLight wrote:


Wait, so you are saying that since Flash and Jaedong could have theoretically lost to Bisu they should be below him?