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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 26 2011 05:38 GMT
#341
Personally I'd love to see things get mixed up with Zero > JD and Hydra > Flash, even if that means a ZvZ final. But really, that's got close to zero chance of happening.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 26 2011 07:05 GMT
#342
A ZvZ msl final is not mixing things up.
Remember Violet.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
May 26 2011 08:43 GMT
#343
I'd really prefer it if neither Jaedong nor Flash got the third MSL title, so I wouldn't mind Hydra vs Zero.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 26 2011 10:26 GMT
#344
On May 26 2011 17:43 Lightwip wrote:
I'd really prefer it if neither Jaedong nor Flash got the third MSL title, so I wouldn't mind Hydra vs Zero.


You would rather have worse games for the sheer purpose of spiting other players.
Remember Violet.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
May 26 2011 10:34 GMT
#345
so how about that jaedong

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p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 26 2011 10:37 GMT
#346
I'm disappointed by JD's lack of JD-ness and I'm disappointed that we won't see a JvF fight for the 6th Starleague title/Golden Badge. I really wanted that.

BUT!

I'm super happy for Zero. It's been quite upsetting to see all these other Zergs (Effort, Clam, Luxury, Hydra, Kwanro, Great) reach finals while Zero has been held back by his ZvZ, despite his enourmous skill and creativity. Not anymore. :D As long as Flash makes it to the final it should be really epic and great. Zero is a worthy opponent, and I wouldn't be bitter at all if he actually won it.

Zero upupup, JD downdowndown.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
champignones
Profile Joined September 2008
Panama160 Posts
May 26 2011 11:07 GMT
#347
too little fame for jaedong just one month of reign, if he gets first power rank after this i would loose respect against this ranking.
you shouldnt worry if everybody ignore you, you should be worry when they dont anymore.
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
May 26 2011 11:18 GMT
#348
JD had a terrible month, I wouldn't even put him into top 3 right now...

Flash, Bisu, Zero, they all should be in front of him...maybe even Hydra; definitely if he win against Flash.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
May 26 2011 12:04 GMT
#349
k, this is how i would have it. i'm assuming a flash>hydra series win, if not, bump flash down to three, if he takes it something like 3-2 but looks bad in the process, drop him to 2

1 Flash
2 Bisu
3 Zero
4 Hydra
5 Jaedong
6 Soulkey
7 Movie
8 Horang2
9 FBH
10 idk, Leta? Only lost to Flash since last time out but that's a big chunk of his games

cbnc: Bogus
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
May 26 2011 12:05 GMT
#350
On May 26 2011 20:18 L0thar wrote:
JD had a terrible month, I wouldn't even put him into top 3 right now...

Flash, Bisu, Zero, they all should be in front of him...maybe even Hydra; definitely if he win against Flash.


If Hydra plays well against Flash I'd say Jaedong #5, at best (assuming Flamewheel waits a day for that match to play out before making the PR). Maybe SoulKey should be ahead of him as well.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 26 2011 12:09 GMT
#351
1 month ago JD was the pretty much undisputed #1 on the PR, now we're talking about dropping him to #5. What a terrible month for him.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
May 26 2011 13:05 GMT
#352
I wouldn't put Bisu that high either. Yeah, he is doing pretty well in PL, but he (again) has no individual leagues to back it up. I'd put both Flash and Zero ahead of him, no matter what, and possibly even Hydra, if he beat Flash.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
May 26 2011 13:19 GMT
#353
On May 26 2011 22:05 L0thar wrote:
I wouldn't put Bisu that high either. Yeah, he is doing pretty well in PL, but he (again) has no individual leagues to back it up


so by that rationale we should have grape > bisu as he won a game in the msl this month, amirite? only 1 loss since the last list and that is excusable as it's against the best PvP player in the world so he'd expect to lose it. can't do any more than the games he's played.
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
May 26 2011 13:37 GMT
#354
Sorry, but If you can't tell the difference between "being MSL finalist" and "won a game, still get eliminated form the MSL" by yourself, I probably won't be able to explain it either way.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 26 2011 13:51 GMT
#355
Not sure I want to see Zero above the Dong even with this win. But Dong really has had a terrible month. 6-8 since last PR with elimination in his statistically best match-up by a player historically weak in it.

By ELO, Zero is now #6. Jaedong is still #3, but if Hydra can pull a win over Flash at all then he will surpass JD. If Hydra loses 2-3 to Flash it will be very, very close.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
May 26 2011 14:11 GMT
#356
I'm in favor of moving down JD a lot. There is a growing list of people I don't think he can beat in a Bo5: Flash, Bisu, zero, hydra, and maybe SK. I think he should be ranked 6th behind all of them (in that order). He flat out looked bad this month.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Mumei
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States270 Posts
May 26 2011 14:50 GMT
#357
On May 26 2011 22:51 Mortality wrote:
Not sure I want to see Zero above the Dong even with this win. But Dong really has had a terrible month. 6-8 since last PR with elimination in his statistically best match-up by a player historically weak in it.

By ELO, Zero is now #6. Jaedong is still #3, but if Hydra can pull a win over Flash at all then he will surpass JD. If Hydra loses 2-3 to Flash it will be very, very close.


I wouldn't call Jaedong's vZ his best these days, at least not in the last 6 - 7 months. It not being up-to-snuff has caused of him to lose two MSL semi-finals, and he also got knocked out of the last OSL partially due to an awful ZvZ against Hogil. And I don't think anyone would argue that his vT is essentially his only match-up where he still looks consistently like his old self.

I don't know why he can't seem to translate his general ZvZ dominance to Bo5. According to Liquipedia, he's 3 - 1 in ZvZ Bo5 through 2010; this brings him to 3 - 3 through 2011. He doesn't seem to have a problem with Bo3 - he's 20 - 3 in ZvZ Bo3 through 2010 - but it just seems like his opponents rise to the occasion when facing him in Bo5, and he... doesn't.
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
May 26 2011 16:01 GMT
#358
On May 26 2011 22:37 L0thar wrote:
Sorry, but If you can't tell the difference between "being MSL finalist" and "won a game, still get eliminated form the MSL" by yourself, I probably won't be able to explain it either way.


You can explain it by being in a group with the 2 best players in the world. Not getting further into the MSL is not a negative on Bisu's list because it's entirely possible Flash or Jaedong couldn't have got through
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 16:38:39
May 26 2011 16:35 GMT
#359
Bisu in last years proved that he has problems getting from group stages in general, not just when paired with Flash or JD. He didn't *play* (much less win) a BO5 in ages.

I seriously can't believe I have to argue for MSL finalists being ahead from someone who got eliminated from group stages (like times and times before).

Top spots of PR are reserved for players who have great PL *and* individual leagues performance (if there are some). Bisu position last month is defendable, because he was crucial player in Winners League finals and that's gotta count for something. But this month he has done nothing special.

Just go and check Flash and Zero performance in PL. Flash is undefeated since last PR and Zero actually head on beat Bisu in their last (less than month old) match. Why on Earth would anybody put Bisu ahead of these two is completely beyond me.
vishrut
Profile Joined April 2009
United States567 Posts
May 26 2011 16:47 GMT
#360
On May 27 2011 01:35 L0thar wrote:
Bisu in last years proved that he has problems getting from group stages in general, not just when paired with Flash or JD. He didn't *play* (much less win) a BO5 in ages.

I seriously can't believe I have to argue for MSL finalists being ahead from someone who got eliminated from group stages (like times and times before).

Top spots of PR are reserved for players who have great PL *and* individual leagues performance (if there are some). Bisu position last month is defendable, because he was crucial player in Winners League finals and that's gotta count for something. But this month he has done nothing special.

Just go and check Flash and Zero performance in PL. Flash is undefeated since last PR and Zero actually head on beat Bisu in their last (less than month old) match. Why on Earth would anybody put Bisu ahead of these two is completely beyond me.


Bisu was busy slumping hardcore so saying that he didnt do anything last year is pointless since the bisu of this year is completely different from the bisu of last year. i would think that bisu would be favored in a bo5 against zero but it would probably be close.

Also the only reason bisu is not in this zerg msl is because of flash. This is the first starleague since he has recovered his form and i think he would have gone far if he didnt meet flash
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